[Predictions] One Piece Manga Chapter 872 Discussion and 873 Predictions
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Didn't the Rev. Army clear off the island before Blackbeard showed up? I was under the impression that no fighting occurred?
I think Luffy will get to Wano first, but I have a feeling we will see Big Mom fight Kaido, it would be ridiculously epic!
Usually Yonkous try to avoid fighting each other, but I imagine if BM accidentally ate some of her crew, then blamed it on Luffy - She might be so enraged that she just barges into Wano without any concern for her own well being.
She'll get rekked, but hopefully she would weaken Kaido slightly as well.
It was implied that they left but never really confirmed. I would think the report would've been different if Dragon and co were still on Baltigo when Blackbeard arrived.
I can't imagine that Dragon would be sitting on that island the entire series only waiting for Blackbeard to show up and wreck everything they've been working on, They have a lot of intel, he just called some big shots back for a meeting, so I think he was about to make a move.
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Her Shigan is more advanced than Pre-TS Lucci's, so she is probably stronger.
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The hell are you talking about?
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Why probably? A post skip tech is more advanced than a pre skip so? Lucci is CP-0 now just like Stussy and he was the strongest CP9 in history which specialized in assassins. I don't see any indication that she's probably stronger than him.
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Wait! Are you sure about the scanlation? Because the One Piece Wiki states that Stussy is the first who used it.
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Yeah but then right under that it also says;
Tobu Shigan "Bachi" (飛ぶ指銃「撥」 Tobu Shigan "Bachi"?, literally meaning "Flying Finger Gun: 'Plectrum'"): Used by Lucci. Similar to "Rankyaku", this technique is able to pierce Luffy's rubber body. Unlike all other versions, this type of Shigan is launched by flicking instead of jabbing,[11] though in the anime, Lucci and Jabra demonstrated a variant that involves jabbing. In the Viz Manga, this is called Flying Finger Pistol Sting. The attack's name is a possible play on the term 蜂 (hachi/bachi, lit. bee), hence the projectile nature of the attack and the Viz Manga translation.
I think the form Lucci used then was equivalent to a beginning stage and what Stussy did was full fledged.
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Then by all counts it's safe to say that Lucci is the first to use Tobu Shigan. He said Bachi, but it doesn't mean that he can't used full fledged.
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When I saw the wiki page that's what I thought too but like I said Stussy is probably getting the credit on there as first user since Plectrum seems like a lower tier version based on the translation name. Think of Tobu Shigan Bachi as Chidori and Tobu Shigan as Raikiri. He can probably use the full on version now but couldn't then.
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People like Stussy won't be expected to be seen in action. I doubt she has access to Rokugan at least, which it's the hardest skill that anyone could access.
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Nope. First off, you can't use Naruto jutsu as a comparison to OP techniques, they don't follow the same rules in terms of names or whatever.
Secondly, Stussy is classified as the first person who has used "Flying Shigan" because what Rob Lucci used was "Flying Shigan: Sting." When the wiki says "First seen used by Stussy," it quite literally means Stussy was the first character shown using that technique. What Rob Lucci did is a variation of what Stussy did, but that does not mean it's an inferior version. There are many Rokushiki techniques that follow this pattern, having variations that have the technique name and a subtitle along with it to highlight that it's a variation.
It makes no sense to say that what Rob Lucci did was a lower step to Flying Shigan because how can Rob Lucci use a variation of a technique without knowing the technique first? How can Rob Lucci create another form of Flying Shigan without being able to use Flying Shigan?
Proof that "Technique Name: Subtitle" is not a weaker variation when it comes to the Rokushiki techniques is Kaku:
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The strongest Tempest Kick of all is called Tempest Kick: Sky Slicer.
Rankyaku "Amane Dachi" (嵐脚「周断」 Rankyaku "Amane Dachi"?, literally meaning "Storm Leg: 'Circumference Sever'"): Used by Kaku in his half-giraffe form. In this attack, he spins around quickly in a circle while standing on one hand, using his elongated neck to gain extra momentum and spin faster, and then performs Rankyaku with both legs to create a circle shaped Rankyaku which radiates outward. The attack was powerful enough to cut through the outer walls of the Tower of Justice in all directions. It can also be used to send an enormous mass of Rankyaku at the user's opponent, to inflict massive damage.[11] Kaku says that this is his most powerful Rankyaku.[12] In the English version of One Piece Unlimited Adventure, this is called Rankyaku: Amane Dachi, and in the Viz Manga and FUNimation dub, this is called Tempest Kick Sky Slicer.
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Tekkai "Go" (鉄塊「剛」 Tekkai "Gō"?, literally meaning "Iron Mass: 'Strength'"): Used by Blueno and Kumadori. Visually, the move differs from the ordinary Tekkai in that the user visually tenses his body even further while standing still; the ordinary Tekkai could be activated seamlessly. According to Blueno, it is his strongest form of Tekkai.[9][10] In the Viz Manga, this is called Iron Body Strength when used by Blueno, and Solid Iron Body when used by Kumadori, and in the FUNimation dub, it is called Iron Body Strength in both instances.
You think that "Technique: Subtitle" means weaker variant, or that Kaku and Blueno developed forms of Tekkai and Rankyaku before learning the thing itself?
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So it looks like Big MoM is going to eat her crew up and the blame will be laid on strawhat and Fire tank pirates........but wow this makes it possible that somewhere down the line she will know the truth and become an ally..
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