[Predictions] One Piece Manga Chapter 865 Discussion and 866 Predictions

[Mystikk]

Me too!




Yeah man, just recently we got that Doflamingo backstory and look what happened to him.. lol

Oda is also being smart af by building up that Elbaf hype even more within this Big Mom backstory, killing two birds with one stone. Gotta love Oda's story telling!



Nice!!

I, too, can see Reiju vs Smoothie.. (also even Nami with maybe Chopper and Carrot going against Smoothie as well)

I can see Katakuri being defeated by either Ichiji or Sanji or both of them together maybe..

I haven't figured out what fight Judge fits in yet, but I like your idea of him being one of the main opponents to bring down Big Mom.. I just want Luffy to kick her ass and be the one to deal the final blow! lol


Some big things are about to happen for real!

It's always nice chatting it up with you man.. we usually seem to have similar thoughts on these chapter discussions.

But please don't be too upset with Love Cook or Riker.. they mean well at the end of the day.. and every thing they say comes from their heart and how much they love One Piece, just like us.
That's why I wish we could all get along more.. lol

Ive been working nonstop bro but you know i cant forget to read and listen to you guys theories.. ive also been thinking i should make a youtube channel for us and on saturdays do live discussions on chapters and other things riker and love cook included chopstick aswell.

 

[chopstickchakra]

lol not using the escape route the planned is not a twist Chopstick Night Shyamalan,

Oooh real sick burn, buddy. Hope you didn't pat yourself on the back too long for that one.

So Ceasar's role in this arc is limited to creating a 'twist' ? His part in the plan is just putting down a mirror while the severely outnumbered alliance is fighting off a yonkou crew ?

What do you suppose his role in this arc is other than to set those mirrors? He's not gonna make BM her giants. The only other role he'd serve is the cause of 2 Yonkou fighting but as much shit as you give people saying they want to see fights why would you want that? BM fighting Kaidou doesn't progress the story it's just a cool battle people would like to see.

You would be the worst person to explain literary devices to other people. You pay so little attention to the story that even Beezy is making better arguments than you do.

Says the person who's not really offered a single counter rather relies on derision. So I'll ask again, What would you call it if in 1 chapter a character is flat out told, by one of the people in the group threatening his friends life, that his friends life isn't really in trouble then a few chapters later he says he can't escape because that friend might be killed?

The worst part is you don't even seem to see the idiotic hypocrisy behind what you're saying. You say Luffy only stated to wreck the wedding, false. The wedding is already ruined, if that's all they were there for they'd have left already but they're still there trying to take out BM which shows wrecking the wedding was not the only objective no matter how many times you want to repeat it.

You say I skimmed over stuff because I forgot Sanji still held on to Zeff as an excuse AFTER Reiju already told him he's not in real danger, me mixing up the chapter order is minuscule compared to you trying to pretend Luffy never told BM he'd kick her ass here and now.

You say once you lay out a plan it won't go as planned, yet insist the part you think will happen is the part that will go accordingly. Caesar set up those mirrors that's absolute proof they'll be used right? Well the plan also set up and prepared those missiles so by your logic they'll work too right.


I'll end this with one last LC quote

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[Love Cook]

Oooh real sick burn, buddy. Hope you didn't pat yourself on the back too long for that one.



What do you suppose his role in this arc is other than to set those mirrors? He's not gonna make BM her giants. The only other role he'd serve is the cause of 2 Yonkou fighting but as much shit as you give people saying they want to see fights why would you want that? BM fighting Kaidou doesn't progress the story it's just a cool battle people would like to see.



Says the person who's not really offered a single counter rather relies on derision. So I'll ask again, What would you call it if in 1 chapter a character is flat out told, by one of the people in the group threatening his friends life, that his friends life isn't really in trouble then a few chapters later he says he can't escape because that friend might be killed?

The worst part is you don't even seem to see the idiotic hypocrisy behind what you're saying. You say Luffy only stated to wreck the wedding, false. The wedding is already ruined, if that's all they were there for they'd have left already but they're still there trying to take out BM which shows wrecking the wedding was not the only objective no matter how many times you want to repeat it.

You say I skimmed over stuff because I forgot Sanji still held on to Zeff as an excuse AFTER Reiju already told him he's not in real danger, me mixing up the chapter order is minuscule compared to you trying to pretend Luffy never told BM he'd kick her ass here and now.

You say once you lay out a plan it won't go as planned, yet insist the part you think will happen is the part that will go accordingly. Caesar set up those mirrors that's absolute proof they'll be used right? Well the plan also set up and prepared those missiles so by your logic they'll work too right.


I'll end this with one last LC quote

There is no point, you just don't get it. You don't read into stuff you only skim the surface.

You're flat out lying too I explained at least 2 times why kicking Big Mom's ass was different from all the other occasions. And you forgetting that Sanji had 3 conditions STILL is a big deal, not because I said that, but because Oda said that. If you want to go ahead and argue against Oda be my guest.

Also wrecking the wedding is more than just toppling the cake. Wrecking the wedding is completing Sanji's three objectives and get out of there. One of them is saving the Vinsmokes. Again you don't seem to understand why they are there in the first place.

But boy oh boy that would be one heck of an epic twist if they don't need those mirrors after all. All those panels with ceasar carefully placing a mirror with brulee were just to fool us. Such a good twist.

And finally, if you want to quote me, just quote me. Don't make bullshit up. Especially when you're calling people out on a burn and you come up with a meme from 2015. Your game is weak.

 

[Mystikk]

Oooh real sick burn, buddy. Hope you didn't pat yourself on the back too long for that one.



What do you suppose his role in this arc is other than to set those mirrors? He's not gonna make BM her giants. The only other role he'd serve is the cause of 2 Yonkou fighting but as much shit as you give people saying they want to see fights why would you want that? BM fighting Kaidou doesn't progress the story it's just a cool battle people would like to see.



Says the person who's not really offered a single counter rather relies on derision. So I'll ask again, What would you call it if in 1 chapter a character is flat out told, by one of the people in the group threatening his friends life, that his friends life isn't really in trouble then a few chapters later he says he can't escape because that friend might be killed?

The worst part is you don't even seem to see the idiotic hypocrisy behind what you're saying. You say Luffy only stated to wreck the wedding, false. The wedding is already ruined, if that's all they were there for they'd have left already but they're still there trying to take out BM which shows wrecking the wedding was not the only objective no matter how many times you want to repeat it.

You say I skimmed over stuff because I forgot Sanji still held on to Zeff as an excuse AFTER Reiju already told him he's not in real danger, me mixing up the chapter order is minuscule compared to you trying to pretend Luffy never told BM he'd kick her ass here and now.

You say once you lay out a plan it won't go as planned, yet insist the part you think will happen is the part that will go accordingly. Caesar set up those mirrors that's absolute proof they'll be used right? Well the plan also set up and prepared those missiles so by your logic they'll work too right.


I'll end this with one last LC quote

Hahahah rite he actually thinks zeff is still in danger lmfao!! Luffy said he would kick big moms asz and said he would wreck the wedding, so far he has already done 1 so why wouldnt he fulfill his promise and do the other???

 

[Love Cook]

Hahahah rite he actually thinks zeff is still in danger lmfao!! Luffy said he would kick big moms asz and said he would wreck the wedding, so far he has already done 1 so why wouldnt he fulfill his promise and do the other???

Yooou lazy sad asshole, you are literally number 3.

Go read chapter 856 Liar. Saving Zeff is 1 of Sanji's 3 priorities to accomplish by fighting Big Mom. Again not my words. ODA'S WORDS. Luffy can beat big mom in a later arc and still make good on his promise to kick her ass.

And again wrecking the wedding is more than destroying the cake. They need to secure Zeff and save the Vinsmokes. So there still is more to do.

The first time someone made that mistake I can understand. The second time is a bit more painful. But you are number three. That is the stuff retards are made of dude.

 

[ArabianLuffy]

I wonder if there are pirates belong to Big-Mom in East-Blue on set waiting for order to assassinate the guys in Baratie. I wonder if Ziff actually uses Haki. Probably Sanji's worrying are being misplaced if Ziff is fine. I imagine a panel of Ziff tapping his hands after him being done with some pesky pirates trying to assassinate and mess with the restaurant and they're being beaten to a pulp.

 

[Love Cook]

I wonder if there are pirates belong to Big-Mom in East-Blue on set waiting for order to assassinate the guys in Baratie. I wonder if Ziff actually uses Haki. Probably Sanji's worrying are being misplaced if Ziff is fine. I imagine a panel of Ziff tapping his hands after him being done with some pesky pirates trying to assassinate and mess with the restaurant and they're being beaten to a pulp.

That would be just fine if Sanji get's the confirmation. But there is no way of knowing at this point that he is safe from assassins now. I would love to see Zeff be a badass and teach some punks a lesson.

But people in this thread are going against Oda's word. That just blows my mind that some people are so convinced of their own theories and are pushing that down other people's throats while they make bizarre claims that defy manga facts.

 

[Mystikk]

Yooou lazy sad asshole, you are literally number 3.

Go read chapter 856 Liar. Saving Zeff is 1 of Sanji's 3 priorities to accomplish by fighting Big Mom. Again not my words. ODA'S WORDS. Luffy can beat big mom in a later arc and still make good on his promise to kick her ass.

And again wrecking the wedding is more than destroying the cake. They need to secure Zeff and save the Vinsmokes. So there still is more to do.

The first time someone made that mistake I can understand. The second time is a bit more painful. But you are number three. That is the stuff retards are made of dude.

Rite resort to name calling when you cant answer our questions because of your idiotic logic.. let me put it in retard terms for you king of retards...


1. Zeff is already saved because sanji just saved his family.. and if you want to get even more technical an say bigmom is the one who is holding him then how would sanji leaving now save zeff or better yet how can they not defeat bigmom and still guarantee she wont kill zeff later idiot????

2. The vinsmokes are already saved dummy they will be fighting alongside sanji after this flashback of bigmom so stop using that like its relevant its already happened!!

3. Sanji was suppose to die and so were the vinsmokes bigmom was suppose to be eating her cake but THANKS TO LUFFY WRECKING THE WEDDING (AND THE CAKE).... NONE AND I REPEAT, NONE OF BIGMOMS PLANS HAVE WORKED.

Thats what wrecking a wedding means stopping the bride and groom from getting married and crashing in like the strawhats did, not what you think in your twisted little head. You make it seem like they have to beat every single person there for it to be considered wrecking a wedding your so misguided I feel sorry for you but then again i dont. We read the same manga every week and yet your still so stupid lol when bigmom is defeated this arc change your av retard.

 

[Love Cook]

Rite resort to name calling when you cant answer our questions because of your idiotic logic.. let me put it in retard terms for you king of retards...


1. Zeff is already saved because sanji just saved his family.. and if you want to get even more technical an say bigmom is the one who is holding him then how would sanji leaving now save zeff or better yet how can they not defeat bigmom and still guarantee she wont kill zeff later idiot????

2. The vinsmokes are already saved dummy they will be fighting alongside sanji after this flashback of bigmom so stop using that like its relevant its already happened!!

3. Sanji was suppose to die and so were the vinsmokes bigmom was suppose to be eating her cake but THANKS TO LUFFY WRECKING THE WEDDING (AND THE CAKE).... NONE AND I REPEAT, NONE OF BIGMOMS PLANS HAVE WORKED.

Thats what wrecking a wedding means stopping the bride and groom from getting married and crashing in like the strawhats did, not what you think in your twisted little head. You make it seem like they have to beat every single person there for it to be considered wrecking a wedding your so misguided I feel sorry for you but then again i dont. We read the same manga every week and yet your still so stupid lol when bigmom is defeated this arc change your av retard.

You are fucking thick dude.

1) Bullshit ! This is the fourth time now. Read Chapter "Liar". Even if they are safe. It is one of Sanji's reasons to face Big Mom.

2) No Shit ! The Vinsmokes are free, but only since this chapter. And again they were one of the reasons Sanji had to face Big Mom. Otherwise Luffy would've gotten with Sanji on the Sunny on chapter 856.

3) NO YOU IDIOT !!! Luffy wrecked the wedding because Sanji asked him to in chapter 865, They were home free at that point. But Sanji went back for his family and for Zeff.

You can't deny manga facts. And the name calling is not because I don't have answers. The name calling is because you're too dumb to read A) the manga and B) my answers and fail to connect the dots.

For the love of god read chapter 856 and don't quote me again. I won't reply anymore. You're the epitome of stupidity. I can't deal with it anymore.

You can't use hindsight to shit on decisions that have been made 10 chapters ago.

Also how am I the person that says they need to beat everyone in order to 'wreck' the wedding. Have you read anything what I've been saying. I'm in team escape moron. I'm saying Big Mom won't go down. I've been saying save the Vinsmokes, Save Zeff and piss off. That is the only thing they came back for.

 

[LBeezy]

You are fucking thick dude.

1) Bullshit ! This is the fourth time now. Read Chapter "Liar". Even if they are safe. It is one of Sanji's reasons to face Big Mom.

2) No Shit ! The Vinsmokes are free, but only since this chapter. And again they were one of the reasons Sanji had to face Big Mom. Otherwise Luffy would've gotten with Sanji on the Sunny on chapter 856.

3) NO YOU IDIOT !!! Luffy wrecked the wedding because Sanji asked him to in chapter 865, They were home free at that point. But Sanji went back for his family and for Zeff.

You can't deny manga facts. And the name calling is not because I don't have answers. The name calling is because you're too dumb to read A) the manga and B) my answers and fail to connect the dots.

For the love of god read chapter 856 and don't quote me again. I won't reply anymore. You're the epitome of stupidity. I can't deal with it anymore.

You can't use hindsight to shit on decisions that have been made 10 chapters ago.

Also how am I the person that says they need to beat everyone in order to 'wreck' the wedding. Have you read anything what I've been saying. I'm in team escape moron. I'm saying Big Mom won't go down. I've been saying save the Vinsmokes, Save Zeff and piss off. That is the only thing they came back for.

With all due respect man, how is Sanji or anyone for that matter going to "save Zeff" by not beating Big Mom and instead running away?

(I'm personally one of the people who think Zeff and the guys at the Baratie would just beat any one of Big Mom's slackies that come and try to mess with them.. but that's just me.. I don't think Zeff needs "saving".. they'll be able to protect themselves just fine over at the Baratie..)


But yeah man, how can Sanji feel relieved about the Zeff situation by running away from Big Mom and knowing that her and her crew are alright? I think taking Big Mom down, is the real way for Sanji to feel like Zeff is gonna be okay at the end of the day..

 

[Mystikk]

With all due respect man, how is Sanji or anyone for that matter going to "save Zeff" by not beating Big Mom and instead running away?

(I'm personally one of the people who think Zeff and the guys at the Baratie would just beat any one of Big Mom's slackies that come and try to mess with them.. but that's just me.. I don't think Zeff needs "saving".. they'll be able to protect themselves just fine over at the Baratie..)


But yeah man, how can Sanji feel relieved about the Zeff situation by running away from Big Mom and knowing that her and her crew are alright? I think taking Big Mom down, is the real way for Sanji to feel like Zeff is gonna be okay at the end of the day..

He cant answer that bro lol i just asked him and he answered everything with the same answer and didnt even mention the main question i asked him.. he is what ignorance looks like lol.

 

[Love Cook]

With all due respect man, how is Sanji or anyone for that matter going to "save Zeff" by not beating Big Mom and instead running away?

(I'm personally one of the people who think Zeff and the guys at the Baratie would just beat any one of Big Mom's slackies that come and try to mess with them.. but that's just me.. I don't think Zeff needs "saving".. they'll be able to protect themselves just fine over at the Baratie..)


But yeah man, how can Sanji feel relieved about the Zeff situation by running away from Big Mom and knowing that her and her crew are alright? I think taking Big Mom down, is the real way for Sanji to feel like Zeff is gonna be okay at the end of the day..

Why should I be the one to answer that ? It's Oda's problem he created that problem. Maybe he'll make Sanji pull an Enies Lobby like he did with the gates of justice and sneak to an intel room and destroy their files on Zeff like coordinates or whatever. Maybe it is a Ceasar Clown side mission he can pop in with a mirror and brulee, what else will he be doing when everyone is fighting ?

He specifically said that Zeff still was in danger 4 chapters before the fight with Big Mom and after Sanji already talkied to Reiju. So clearly Oda knows there is more to the hostage situations than we do.

Why else would he make a big deal about it again right before the fight ?

He cant answer that bro lol i just asked him and he answered everything with the same answer and didnt even mention the main question i asked him.. he is what ignorance looks like lol.

shut up, just because you don't understand doesn't mean I didn't answer.

 

[Mystikk]

Why should I be the one to answer that ? It's Oda's problem he created that problem. Maybe he'll make Sanji pull an Enies Lobby like he did with the gates of justice and sneak to an intel room and destroy their files on Zeff like coordinates or whatever. Maybe it is a Ceasar Clown side mission he can pop in with a mirror and brulee, what else will he be doing when everyone is fighting ?

He specifically said that Zeff still was in danger 4 chapters before the fight with Big Mom and after Sanji already talkied to Reiju. So clearly Oda knows there is more to the hostage situations than we do.

Why else would he make a big deal about it again right before the fight ?



shut up, just because you don't understand doesn't mean I didn't answer.

Oh i understand clearly.. I understand that you cant answer our main question logically without looking stupid and contradicting yourself.

The answer is no dummy.. sanji cant escape leave bigmom alive and guarantee that zeff will still be ok. It just wont add up im sure with your fanboy logic you can comprehend that much since your so stuck on saving zeff smh.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Riker and Love are the only ones I've seen really saying that because it's easier to argue words you put in people's mouth than what they're actually saying sometimes.



Opinion. Tell me what you think might be lost by BM falling at the end of WCI. In what way would it hurt the story?



@bold for the readers sake. You're asking why would an author build up a scene one way when they know the result will not be impacted by the set up, that's called a twist and it's a fairly common literary device. They want you to expect a certain ending only to not give it to you.

Why are you asking me this like this debate hasn't been had before? It'd be more interesting to see a collision of Kaido and Big Mom, as well as more logical to the power scaling and something we haven't seen before.

Don't @ me.

 

[Love Cook]

Oh i understand clearly.. I understand that you cant answer our main question logically without looking stupid and contradicting yourself.

The answer is no dummy.. sanji cant escape leave bigmom alive and guarantee that zeff will still be ok. It just wont add up im sure with your fanboy logic you can comprehend that much since your so stuck on saving zeff smh.

The answer is I'm not a fortune teller idiot. It's not my job to come up with a solution, It's Oda's job.

Maybe they should release One Piece in braille because this text and reading thing isn't working out for you.

answer 'our question', give me a break I almost have to puke. Do you simpletons hold hands when you come up with your simplistic bullshit together when you ask me to predict something in the future ?

In all my answers I never contradicted myself ones, why don't you quote me on it.

You're just making noise and try to play it on the person, because you have 0 arguments. While I have a big fat manga page 4 chapters before the fight that says Zeff is in danger.

Roll it up and stick it up your ass sideways, the information might make it's way into that empty skull faster than staring at pictures.

 

[chopstickchakra]

There is no point, you just don't get it. You don't read into stuff you only skim the surface.

You're flat out lying too I explained at least 2 times why kicking Big Mom's ass was different from all the other occasions. And you forgetting that Sanji had 3 conditions STILL is a big deal, not because I said that, but because Oda said that. If you want to go ahead and argue against Oda be my guest.

Oda also said Zeff's not in trouble(through Reiju), Oda also said Sanji was lying when he said that(through Luffy) so which is it?

Also wrecking the wedding is more than just toppling the cake. Wrecking the wedding is completing Sanji's three objectives and get out of there. One of them is saving the Vinsmokes. Again you don't seem to understand why they are there in the first place.

Nobody said destroying the cake is wrecking the wedding, good job arguing a point you superimposed into the discussion. Wrecking the wedding is not going through with it and disrupting the plan to kill Sanji's family both of which have been achieved. The wedding's wrecked, it's not like if things just stopped right now the wedding would resume, it's wrecked.

But boy oh boy that would be one heck of an epic twist if they don't need those mirrors after all. All those panels with ceasar carefully placing a mirror with brulee were just to fool us. Such a good twist.

They'd still use them to leave as it'd be a quicker exit the walking but not needing them in an emergency fleeing scenario would be the twist since the majority expects them to flee. How are the mirrors any more valid than the missiles? They took the time to set up those mirrors they must be used exactly as described, well they took the time to develop and equip those rockets they must work exactly as they were describes as well right?

And finally, if you want to quote me, just quote me. Don't make bullshit up. Especially when you're calling people out on a burn and you come up with a meme from 2015. Your game is weak.

Don't make shit up? Lol, so you didn't say "Go reread before you mock me." getting all worked up about a perceived mocking that only existed in your head before then? Sure.

I wonder if there are pirates belong to Big-Mom in East-Blue on set waiting for order to assassinate the guys in Baratie. I wonder if Ziff actually uses Haki. Probably Sanji's worrying are being misplaced if Ziff is fine. I imagine a panel of Ziff tapping his hands after him being done with some pesky pirates trying to assassinate and mess with the restaurant and they're being beaten to a pulp.

No, BM gave the Vinsmokes the location of Zeff so that they could blackmail Sanji into coming because BM was interested in the Vinsmokes reaching WCI not fulfilling the wedding. We have confirmation from one of the members in the plot that Zeff's life is in no danger from BM or her crew, the only ones who were posing a threat to Zeff were the Vinsmokes and we know they won't follow through for someone who betrayed them.

That would be just fine if Sanji get's the confirmation. But there is no way of knowing at this point that he is safe from assassins now. I would love to see Zeff be a badass and teach some punks a lesson.

But people in this thread are going against Oda's word. That just blows my mind that some people are so convinced of their own theories and are pushing that down other people's throats while they make bizarre claims that defy manga facts.

Oda's own words through Reiju were that Zeff is not in danger just because he has his character ignore that doesn't change that one of the people in charge of threatening Zeff's life is flat out telling us there's no threat. If anyone's going against Oda's words it'd be you,
"I'll fight you right here and now" - Luffy "That's not the same as when Luffy says I'll kick your ass" - Love Cook. I'll fight you here and now is a declaration of challenge the same as I'll kick your ass.

The answer is I'm not a fortune teller idiot. It's not my job to come up with a solution, It's Oda's job.

If it's not your job to come up with a solution then why do you try to demand it from anyone else you argue with?

Why don't you proof that she will be beaten ?

Describe me a scenario how Luffy will pull off this win then ?

I'm worried you don't actually see the hypocrisy in it all.

You're just making noise and try to play it on the person, because you have 0 arguments. While I have a big fat manga page 4 chapters before the fight that says Zeff is in danger.

From a character who's made questionable choices(completely disregarding everything that happened at EL and trying to sacrifice himself for his crews sake a move as a character he should have known wouldn't work since his crew and captain would come after him) and is not a part of the hostage team, meanwhile we have word from an actual member of the team holding Zeff hostage saying he's in no real threat but you wanna take Sanji's excuse which Luffy called him out on over the words of a character directly involved in Zeff's hostage situation.

How would Sanji even go about "saving" Zeff at WCI? You say it's a requirement before he can leave so then how does he fulfill said requirement? See Zeff was actually saved when the Vinsmokes were betrayed by BM since they'd have no reason to pursue Zeff's life. Zeff's been saved through the Vinsmokes lack of motivation to kill him, The Vinsmokes have been freed and geared up and Luffy's forgiven him, his requirements have been satisfied so following your idea that that's all that was important they should e heading for a mirror next chapter we see them.

 

[Love Cook]

Spoiler

Oda also said Zeff's not in trouble(through Reiju), Oda also said Sanji was lying when he said that(through Luffy) so which is it?



Nobody said destroying the cake is wrecking the wedding, good job arguing a point you superimposed into the discussion. Wrecking the wedding is not going through with it and disrupting the plan to kill Sanji's family both of which have been achieved. The wedding's wrecked, it's not like if things just stopped right now the wedding would resume, it's wrecked.



They'd still use them to leave as it'd be a quicker exit the walking but not needing them in an emergency fleeing scenario would be the twist since the majority expects them to flee. How are the mirrors any more valid than the missiles? They took the time to set up those mirrors they must be used exactly as described, well they took the time to develop and equip those rockets they must work exactly as they were describes as well right?



Don't make shit up? Lol, so you didn't say "Go reread before you mock me." getting all worked up about a perceived mocking that only existed in your head before then? Sure.



No, BM gave the Vinsmokes the location of Zeff so that they could blackmail Sanji into coming because BM was interested in the Vinsmokes reaching WCI not fulfilling the wedding. We have confirmation from one of the members in the plot that Zeff's life is in no danger from BM or her crew, the only ones who were posing a threat to Zeff were the Vinsmokes and we know they won't follow through for someone who betrayed them.



Oda's own words through Reiju were that Zeff is not in danger just because he has his character ignore that doesn't change that one of the people in charge of threatening Zeff's life is flat out telling us there's no threat. If anyone's going against Oda's words it'd be you,
"I'll fight you right here and now" - Luffy "That's not the same as when Luffy says I'll kick your ass" - Love Cook. I'll fight you here and now is a declaration of challenge the same as I'll kick your ass.



If it's not your job to come up with a solution then why do you try to demand it from anyone else you argue with? I'm worried you don't actually see the hypocrisy in it all.




From a character who's made questionable choices(completely disregarding everything that happened at EL and trying to sacrifice himself for his crews sake a move as a character he should have known wouldn't work since his crew and captain would come after him) and is not a part of the hostage team, meanwhile we have word from an actual member of the team holding Zeff hostage saying he's in no real threat but you wanna take Sanji's excuse which Luffy called him out on over the words of a character directly involved in Zeff's hostage situation.

How would Sanji even go about "saving" Zeff at WCI? You say it's a requirement before he can leave so then how does he fulfill said requirement? See Zeff was actually saved when the Vinsmokes were betrayed by BM since they'd have no reason to pursue Zeff's life. Zeff's been saved through the Vinsmokes lack of motivation to kill him, The Vinsmokes have been freed and geared up and Luffy's forgiven him, his requirements have been satisfied so following your idea that that's all that was important they should e heading for a mirror next chapter we see them.

Twisting someone's words is not quoting

Reiju telling Sanji Zeff was safe happened before Sanji said Zeff was still taken hostage by Big Mom Pirates. The Vinsmokes are not a factor anymore.

Sanji's conditions to wreck the wedding have not been yet met

 

[Mystikk]

The answer is I'm not a fortune teller idiot. It's not my job to come up with a solution, It's Oda's job.

Maybe they should release One Piece in braille because this text and reading thing isn't working out for you.

answer 'our question', give me a break I almost have to puke. Do you simpletons hold hands when you come up with your simplistic bullshit together when you ask me to predict something in the future ?

In all my answers I never contradicted myself ones, why don't you quote me on it.

You're just making noise and try to play it on the person, because you have 0 arguments. While I have a big fat manga page 4 chapters before the fight that says Zeff is in danger.

Roll it up and stick it up your ass sideways, the information might make it's way into that empty skull faster than staring at pictures.

Lol oh now your excuse is your not a fortune teller but before you were just so sure bigmom wouldnt be defeated how is this??? What did i miss ?? O i get it when you cant explain yourself you resort to that type of language hhahah!!! Idiotic

 

[ArabianLuffy]

People in this thread are going against Oda's word. That just blows my mind that some people are so convinced of their own theories and are pushing that down other people's throats while they make bizarre claims that defy manga facts.

It's OK to disagree with Oda at some level. Theories are OKish than some people who wanna thrust their logic into our throats.

No, BM gave the Vinsmokes the location of Zeff so that they could blackmail Sanji into coming because BM was interested in the Vinsmokes reaching WCI not fulfilling the wedding. We have confirmation from one of the members in the plot that Zeff's life is in no danger from BM or her crew, the only ones who were posing a threat to Zeff were the Vinsmokes and we know they won't follow through for someone who betrayed them.

I see.

 

[LBeezy]

So it's really the Vinsmokes who were in charge of sending the "assassins" to threaten Zeff's life?

Big Mom just provided the Vinsmokes with intel on location and relationships and what not?

So Sanji saving his family alone is enough to relieve his worrying about Zeff's safety.. interesting...

Love Cook this could have actually been your answer..