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"The Vinsmoke Family Slaughter Plot"

One Piece Manga Chapter 864 Discussion and 865
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I'll never forgive Oda if he trolls Ichiji.

Vinsmokes are by far the most overhyped villans in One Piece and the very definition of fodder.

You can't simply just give Ichiji the number 1 symbol and then give him the fodder treatment.
Bad writing.

And he even has the Title "Sparking Red" and that Title alone sounds so grand and royal like when compared to the other Vinsmokes.

And Oda even avoided having Sanji fight Ichiji so what was the point of all of that? Oda clearly didn't want Sanji to stomp Ichiji like he did Niji and Yonji so clearly he was saving Ichiji for something else.

And didnt Ichiji stop an entire war while Niji just carried a suit case?
 
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I'll never forgive Oda if he trolls Ichiji.

Vinsmokes are by far the most overhyped villans in One Piece and the very definition of fodder.

You can't simply just give Ichiji the number 1 symbol and then give him the fodder treatment.
Bad writing.

And he even has the Title "Sparking Red" and that Title alone sounds so grand and royal like when compared to the other Vinsmokes.

And Oda even avoided having Sanji fight Ichiji so what was the point of all of that? Oda clearly didn't want Sanji to stomp Ichiji like he did Niji and Yonji so clearly he was saving Ichiji for something else.

And didnt Ichiji stop an entire war while Niji just carried a suit case?
Nah, don't worry about them, Oda will show us their power soon and true potential.
 

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Holy shittttttt! This chapter was hella interesting like ahhhh..omg...words cannot explain. The plans going awry but it is still very much interesting!

- it was refreshing to see higher up big mom pirates and some of their abilities. The Jinn dude looked pretty OP.
- i really didnt expect judge to be a ***** and cry lol
- that moment when you see Katakuri see a terrible future and his trying to prevent it from happening and bege's smirk ;)
 

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Daifuku vs Sanji has the potential to be entertaining. Since Pedro switched back to Luffy's side, Jinbei is probably gonna handle Oven. Luffy and Bege vs Katakuri, probably too.

Brooks come backs are GOAT tbh, and Sanji dodging Puddings bullets while talking about emotional bullshit was kinda funny
 

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Duuuude, this is so intense. Stuff happening everywhere in the span of a few seconds.

All the crossing and double crossing just to protect a plan that doesn't seem to work anymore.

Sanji concerned that they won't make it in time to save his family is interesting. Will he try and save them instead of going with the plan ? Judge has lost it but it looks like Reiju will have to convince her brothers to fight.

There are so many people running around with interesting abilities, I can't wait for the Vinsmokes to join the mix. Chaos will be complete. The guy with the genie belt has the best design in a while. Too bad he is with big mom, would've nominated him for Strawhat otherwise.

Luffy using his head for once and not his anger, Bege working together with the Strawhats in a better way than expected. That's cool and pretty much required, or they will all be dead in the next minute.

4/5 chapter for me, can only imagine what the rest of the fight will be like.
 

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Nice we're finally going to the main deal next chapter(beheading Big Mom)
For the Vinsmokes, as expected they were fodders
Capone was badass this chapter as well :cool:
2weeks later and Smoothie still do nothing though :/
 

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Nice we're finally going to the main deal next chapter(beheading Big Mom)
For the Vinsmokes, as expected they were fodders
Capone was badass this chapter as well :cool:
2weeks later and Smoothie still do nothing though :/
Don't you dare to be in the fanboy parade in 2-3 weeks time when the Vinsmokes do something badass. I will come back to this thread and put this quote in your face.
 

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Don't you dare to be in the fanboy parade in 2-3 weeks time when the Vinsmokes do something badass. I will come back to this thread and put this quote in your face.
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Well considering i already know they won't do shit, i have nothing to worry about then :bouncy:
 

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Well considering i already know they won't do shit, i have nothing to worry about then :bouncy:
Yeah you're a smart one.

Introducing a new set of characters specifically for this arc, genetically modified to fight all with unique abilities.

You're right, Oda will blow their heads off next chapter.
 

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Yeah you're a smart one.

Introducing a new set of characters specifically for this arc, genetically modified to fight all with unique abilities.

You're right, Oda will blow their heads off next chapter.
No i just think they are build-up to be redeemed after getting saved by Sanji. The point of the chapter was for Judge to recognize his mistakes in removing the emotions in his own son, with Sanji ending up the one who Judge will be forced to acknowledge as the real success of the bunch
 

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No i just think they are build-up to be redeemed after getting saved by Sanji. The point of the chapter was for Judge to recognize his mistakes in removing the emotions in his own son, with Sanji ending up the one who Judge will be forced to acknowledge as the real success of the bunch
That will happen either way, he already showed some of that this chapter when he said that he couldn't believe that the SH's would go through these lengths to save Sanji.

But in the meanwhile the Strawhats are vastly outnumbered against a much stronger enemy, and the Vinsmokes are sitting neatly at the table.
 

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I'll never forgive Oda if he trolls Ichiji.

Vinsmokes are by far the most overhyped villans in One Piece and the very definition of fodder.

You can't simply just give Ichiji the number 1 symbol and then give him the fodder treatment.
Bad writing.

And he even has the Title "Sparking Red" and that Title alone sounds so grand and royal like when compared to the other Vinsmokes.

And Oda even avoided having Sanji fight Ichiji so what was the point of all of that? Oda clearly didn't want Sanji to stomp Ichiji like he did Niji and Yonji so clearly he was saving Ichiji for something else.

And didnt Ichiji stop an entire war while Niji just carried a suit case?
when the vinsmokes first appeared I said ppl will overhype them, and ofc a day later I saw ''Sanji's father Yonko level?'' in many corners of the internet, ppl overhyped them way too much :/

no, they are nothing special from our pov power wise, but even if they lose here easily it doesn't mean they are fodder, it just means the are not the 0.0000001% of characters that are powerful enough to be significantly powerful to us as readers, you forget that even in teh NW and yonko crews and marines there are mostly relatively normal soldiers, just look at WB pirates, teh average power lvl of the main protagonists we have followed since the TS is so high that only the very few characters (most of which we have known since before the TS) are really relevant

look at DR, it takes a character of Doffys caliber to be relevant power wise, it's the bar that has been set post TS, that doesn't mean everyone not reaching that bar (Pica, CC, many of BM pirates, Bastille, ...) are weak, by pre-TS standards they would be insanely powerful, a good example of this might be Pekoms, he appeared relatively fast after the TS and he looked very powerful with his ''feat'' and position as a yonko crew member, but honestly so far there is nothing to make him relevant power wise, but we judged him with our pre-TS eyes and he seemed like extremely powerful

but at some time after that we started to look at characters with a post-TS pov and now too many ppl throw around the word ''fodder'' even though just being beaten easily in teh NW doesn't mean you are one, far from that in many cases

if this post is weird sorry, phone
 
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I find it hilarious that the plan has currently not yet succeeded because of BM not being able to make up her mind about what she now has to be mad about the most. Still now I'm wondering how the Tamatebako-bomb is going to fit into all of this? I'm starting to envision a scenario where her children try to make her calm down by giving her the Tamatebako saying that that's still unharmed. She consequently opens it and boom (pun intended), this is when she finally loses it completely.

Judge's performance is kinda pathetic, but it's an interesting visual as it shows that Judge in the end is different from his three sons, who were raised to be emotionless killer-machines, and has in fact much more in common with Sanji. I'm expecting his helmet to be removed soon, showing that he has Sanj's asymmetrical curly brows.

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Well considering i already know they won't do shit, i have nothing to worry about then :bouncy:
You actually expect a bunch of assassins trained from childbirth with an arrogant and a condescending attitude because of their strength to just casually die after being betrayed without doing anything? I wouldn't become a betting person if I were you.

Don't confuse "not caring about the prospect of their death" with "not doing anything to avoid dying". The former doesn't automatically exclude the latter.
 
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Dumb and they're the worst, mostly Ichiji. What a fodder.
Fodder? Ichiji's strength hasn't been seen yet. The three got their bones stiffed due to the candy they ate. Maybe some drinking water would solve the problem and then they'll get into action? I hope so.

And I thought the Vinsmokes are prepared if betrayal happened, right? They drank with a bunch of women who got beat and talking about to be prepared at wedding. Where is that? I wanna see them using the clones in battle against Charlotte Family. Where is the fuking "WALL" of clones thingy?
 
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