[Predictions] One Piece Manga Chapter 862 Discussion and 863 Predictions

[ToshiZO]

Really liked Sanji's look when dodging Katakuri's attack. It's been a while since i saw him this badass, so i hope it can become the start of his redemption. I don't really like the way we basically have another repeat of the damsel in distress named Pudding we get in every arc now though. Oda just doesn't seem to know how to make a woman evil. Won't be surprised if by the time we get to the Mother Carmel flashback, it gets revealed that she is actually not evil

Yea that's the only dissapointing thing here, Oda doesn't have the balls to make a female in this situation truly hated, he's bailing Sanji out here by doing this. It's a bit similar to Viola how she started off good, then the twist came, but then she started shedding tears infront of Sanji because how he treated her.

This is similar to the solution Oda came up with to knock Sugar out as well, use a character trait to get out of a situation. I thought he was finally cornering Sanji here to shed light on his way of thinking but he got bailed out with pudding being a victim once again.

I don't mind it, it makes sense but I just wish Oda would try something new here.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Well damn.

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Would you look at that. All that super duper strong portrayal and hype and feats in his precognition. Just down the drain. Much disappoint.

How could he stop Luffy from destroying the cake when Luffy was already in it?

 

[ToshiZO]

Well damn.

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Would you look at that. All that super duper strong portrayal and hype and feats in his precognition. Just down the drain. Much disappoint.

Wtf are you talking about? Just because one can predict something doesn't mean they can stop it.

They used Brulee's power and busted out from inside the cake, he couldn't do anything, but he knew what was going to happen.

If anything Katakuri is making Big Mom look like chump change over here, he seems like the real leader in this arc.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Wtf are you talking about? Just because one can predict something doesn't mean they can stop it.

They used Brulee's power and busted out from inside the cake, he couldn't do anything, but he knew what was going to happen.

If anything Katakuri is making Big Mom look like chump change over here, he seems like the real leader in this arc.

Remember when Riker was constantly defending Big Mom whenever she got dehyped?

Now he's searching for reasons to dehype her strongest subordinate.

 

[Dannie]

While it may be true that Katakuri's hype is worsening, it also makes Big Mam's hype look toddler in return.

 

[Love Cook]

Wtf are you talking about? Just because one can predict something doesn't mean they can stop it.

They used Brulee's power and busted out from inside the cake, he couldn't do anything, but he knew what was going to happen.

If anything Katakuri is making Big Mom look like chump change over here, he seems like the real leader in this arc.

What a joke. Katakuri the real leader in this arc ? We have seen him in 10 panels. He is Big Mom's subordinate and it is his job to protect her. Well amazing job he has done so far. His only feat is killing a fodder and shooting his own priest because Sanji was faster.

The whole plan is made just so that Big Mom drops his guard because it would otherwise impossible to damage her.

How many times didn't Sanji and Zoro step in to guard Luffy so that he could move on to face the bigger threat, that is exactly what is happening here.

 

[Punk Hazard]

How could he stop Luffy from destroying the cake when Luffy was already in it?

Wtf are you talking about? Just because one can predict something doesn't mean they can stop it.

They used Brulee's power and busted out from inside the cake, he couldn't do anything, but he knew what was going to happen.

If anything Katakuri is making Big Mom look like chump change over here, he seems like the real leader in this arc.

Yeah, none of this defeats my point. This is a direct response to all of you who lauded Katakuri's ability to see the future as hype that he was the strongest commander who was gonna low diff the Vinsmoke family.

I noted that the Observation Haki can only take him so far, and lo and behold, I was right.

Remember when Riker was constantly defending Big Mom whenever she got dehyped?

Now he's searching for reasons to dehype her strongest subordinate.

Can't dehype someone when the hype was never there.

How many times didn't Sanji and Zoro step in to guard Luffy so that he could move on to face the bigger threat, that is exactly what is happening here.

They're probably gonna ignore this point lmao

 

[ToshiZO]

How many times didn't Sanji and Zoro step in to guard Luffy so that he could move on to face the bigger threat, that is exactly what is happening here.

I can assure you Luffy isn't looking like a clueless bum while Sanji and Zoro "guard" him.

It's more like Luffy walking right past characters who aren't even worth his time. In this case Big Mom is sweating bullets with snot coming out of her nose, clueless as to what's going on with katakuri's haki which is superior to her own being the only thing of worth. Don't even try that example here.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I can assure you Luffy isn't looking like a clueless bum while Sanji and Zoro "guard" him.

It's more like Luffy walking right past characters who aren't even worth his time. In this case Big Mom is sweating bullets with snot coming out of her nose, clueless as to what's going on with katakuri's haki which is superior to her own being the only thing of worth. Don't even try that example here.

He says like Katakuri isn't clueless because of a special power.

Why are you trying to act like Katakuri's Haki tuning him into the situation makes him superior to Big Mom when he's just as unable to act as anyone else there despite it? This is why I made that post: People still overhyping his Observation Haki.

 

[Tomato God]

I can assure you Luffy isn't looking like a clueless bum while Sanji and Zoro "guard" him.

It's more like Luffy walking right past characters who aren't even worth his time. In this case Big Mom is sweating bullets with snot coming out of her nose, clueless as to what's going on with katakuri's haki which is superior to her own being the only thing of worth. Don't even try that example here.

Still by leagues the strongest woman on the planet strongest person that is on that island strongest person person that is a direct opponent so far
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[ToshiZO]

He says like Katakuri isn't clueless because of a special power.

Why are you trying to act like Katakuri's Haki tuning him into the situation makes him superior to Big Mom when he's just as unable to act as anyone else there despite it? This is why I made that post: People still overhyping his Observation Haki.

Because he's not a clueless bum? Big Mom has to defer to him when it comes to haki (atleast one form of it), so yea...that says a lot right here.

We aren't even talking about a specific DF power, everyone has haki including Big Mom, she just happens to be outclassed.

If anything that scene makes Katakuri look even better. That was the point here, as you tried to bring up that scene to downplay him but that is laughable considering he looked better than Big Mom in that very scene.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Because he's not a clueless bum? Big Mom has to defer to him when it comes to haki (atleast one form of it), so yea...that says a lot right here.

We aren't even talking about a specific DF power, everyone has haki including Big Mom, she just happens to be outclassed.

If anything that scene makes Katakuri look even better. That was the point here, as you tried to bring up that scene to downplay him but that is laughable considering he looked better than Big Mom in that very scene.

What difference is there in being a clueless bum and someone in the know when the person in the know isn't able to do any better than the people that are clueless?

Katakuri knows what's going down, and yet, by his own admission, there's nothing he can do. Katakuri has a clue, but what good is that clue doing? He's not doing any better than any of the other people around him, considering his super great Observation Haki led to him killing their own priest.

Katakuri looks just as bad as Big Mom because ****ing up and killing your own people is just as bad as not knowing what to do at all.

 

[ToshiZO]

What difference is there in being a clueless bum and someone in the know when the person in the know isn't able to do any better than the people that are clueless?

How bout you pay attention to your own posts, you said nothing about his overall portrayal (even though right now it's looking mighty considering he looked better than Big Mom this chapter).

Well damn.

Would you look at that. All that super duper strong portrayal and hype and feats in his precognition. Just down the drain. Much disappoint.

***** said in his precognition, when his precognition didn't take a hit in that scene, he knew what was going to happen. Nothing went down the drain, you're just looking for stuff at this point, look mad desperate.

 

[Punk Hazard]

How bout you pay attention to your own posts, you said nothing about his overall portrayal (even though right now it's looking mighty considering he looked better than Big Mom this chapter).




***** said in his precognition, when his precognition didn't take a hit in that scene, he knew what was going to happen. Nothing went down the drain, you're just looking for stuff at this point, look mad desperate.

Yeah...this doesn't contradict my post at all lmao. The hype that was trashed was the hype surrounding his precognition. Katakuri, with his precognition, was just as useless as everyone else that didn't have that precognition.

When your ability is spoken of as making you exemplary from everyone else, but then you end up JUST like everyone else, THAT'S dehyping.

 

[ToshiZO]

Yeah...this doesn't contradict my post at all lmao. The hype that was trashed was the hype surrounding his precognition. Katakuri, with his precognition, was just as useless as everyone else that didn't have that precognition.

When your ability is spoken of as making you exemplary from everyone else, but then you end up JUST like everyone else, THAT'S dehyping.

No you targeted his precognition. Literally said "in his precognition" no reason to add that unless you are illiterate.

Anyway even concerning his overall portrayal, if you want to laugh at that you might want to start laughing at Big Mom who looked worse than him this chapter, so....yea. No real point here.

 

[Punk Hazard]

No you targeted his precognition. Literally said "in his precognition" no reason to add that unless you are illiterate.

Anyway even concerning his overall portrayal, if you want to laugh at that you might want to start laughing at Big Mom who looked worse than him this chapter, so....yea. No real point here.

Lmaooo what "overall portrayal." Every single one of my posts here were talking about his precognition. You said he looked better than Big Mom, and I said he didn't because ****ing up and hurting your own people is just as bad as not knowing what to do. The fact that Katakuri's precognition led to him making a huge mistake and messing up is just one of two things that dehyped all the buzz surrounding his precognition.

I swear your reading comprehension gets worse with each thread.

 

[ToshiZO]

Lmaooo what "overall portrayal." Every single one of my posts here were talking about his precognition. You said he looked better than Big Mom, and I said he didn't because ****ing up and hurting your own people is just as bad as not knowing what to do. The fact that Katakuri's precognition led to him making a huge mistake and messing up is just one of two things that dehyped all the buzz surrounding his precognition.

I swear your reading comprehension gets worse with each thread.

His precognition did not take a hit, it did what it was supposed to, read into the future. You brought in a specific panel, stop bringing up the other instances in the chapter. We are talking about that post you brought up to say he was dehyped in precognition or something. I replied to that by saying his precognition made him the only guy there even to attempt to make a difference, where his Yonkou Captain even looked like a clueless waste of space. That is incredible if anything, makes me even think more highly of him where he is standing right next to his Captain and he looks better.

 

[Punk Hazard]

His precognition did not take a hit, it did what it was supposed to, read into the future. You brought in a specific panel, stop bringing up the other instances in the chapter. We are talking about that post you brought up to say he was dehyped in precognition or something. I replied to that by saying his precognition made him the only guy there even to attempt to make a difference, where his Yonkou Captain even looked like a clueless waste of space. That is incredible if anything, makes me even think more highly of him where he is standing right next to his Captain and he looks better.

Sigh. I'ma wait for someone with better reading comprehension and is capable of understanding what "See? Katakuri's Observation Haki doesn't carry him as far as you said it would" actually means.

Since it's clear that you're incapable of understanding that the precognition was dehyped because he wasn't able to do any better with it than anyone else. An ability is only as good as what you can achieve with it, and Katakuri achieved killing his own priest. That's dehype.

 

[ToshiZO]

Sigh. I'ma wait for someone with better reading comprehension and is capable of understanding what "See? Katakuri's Observation Haki doesn't carry him as far as you said it would" actually means.

No one gives a shit about how far his observation can carry him (atleast I don't), the fact that his observation haki is leaps and bounds beyond his own Captain is a testament to his strength.

You're legit only focusing on the negatives here and missing the bigger picture entirely.

 

[Punk Hazard]

No one gives a shit about how far his observation can carry him (atleast I don't), the fact that his observation haki is leaps and bounds beyond his own Captain is a testament to his strength.

You're legit only focusing on the negatives here and missing the bigger picture entirely.

LMAOO it's a testament to his strength, and yet the precognition made him even less useful than Big Mom.