[Predictions] One Piece Manga Chapter 861 Discussion and 862 Predictions

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Well rationally speaking the bomb shouldn't be that powerful as they were keeping that box inside Ryougou Palace and I find it hard to imagine they would have done that if there was a risk of damaging the palace severely, though for the sake of the story Oda might ignore that.

Personally however I believe the bomb is not meant to inflict any significant damage, but to set the defining tone of the situation. Don't forget Dogtooth's Observation Haki. If he realizes there's a bomb inside, this distraction might open up a chance to destroy Caramel's picture or alternatively if he realizes someone is going to try to destroy the picture, this might lead to him being unable to stop the bomb. Actually now that I'm writing this I started to think that the primary purpose of that bomb might be to destroy that picture, which then would result in BM throwing a tantrum.

Either way no one is expecting the bomb, so the side that adapts the quickest to the situation, will gain the advantage.
The thing with the bomb is that the timeline doesn't really work out as Oda has set it now. Because Big Mom is planning to open the box after the ceremony. But Pudding is going to shoot Sanji when they're about to kiss. So the SH's have to act during the wedding. Which means that the bomb is still in the box.

Maybe one of the high guests who seem awfully interested in the box might sneak a peak in before the ceremony ??
 

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REMEMBER THAT I SAID THIS; THE PLAN WILL BE RUINED BUT THE TREASURE BOX WILL EXPLODE AND BREAK THE PICTURE cause that Dogtooth son who can see into the future can only see a little so when he knows the treasurebox will explode it will be too late.
 

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The thing with the bomb is that the timeline doesn't really work out as Oda has set it now. Because Big Mom is planning to open the box after the ceremony. But Pudding is going to shoot Sanji when they're about to kiss. So the SH's have to act during the wedding. Which means that the bomb is still in the box.

Maybe one of the high guests who seem awfully interested in the box might sneak a peak in before the ceremony ??
I think you don't need to pay too much attention to the chronology they themselves expect as there are two different scenarios planned. BM's scenario is most likely not going to go as intended as I doubt Sanji will let himself be shot and Bege's scenario should start before that of BM. On the other had it isn't likely that Bege's plan will work out perfectly either. Frankly there are too many uncertain factors and actors here that can influence the chronology of the events, in particular BM's fickle nature and Dogtooth's 'future sight' are problematic. What if he sees Sanji dodging? What if he sees someone destroying the picture? What if he sees the bomb exploding? And what if BM's urge to open treasure chests gets the better of her? I mean we just learned that that box is famous enough to become "news" and that BM really loves the concept of a treasure chest.

So taking all of that into account there are numerous scenarios possible with different chronologies and it all depends on how Oda wants everything to go down.
 

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When I saw the picture I immediately thought that Carmel was Bakkin....But ya this chapter got me hyped those last 2 pages were AMAZING(I love the art style in OP compared to the popular opinion) and that panel where Bege says no going back now....The HYPE IS REAL
 

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Sanji needs to get laid.
Well, he did offer to kiss her somewhere else. As someone wrote on ***********, he is willing to skip the main dish and eat the Pudding instead. How sweet!

Anyway, I was really hoping that Sanji would give her a cold shoulder, so I was a bit annoyed that he is still the same old Sanji. On the other hand, when I read about the "bloody" wedding, I chuckled, so all is well.

I am just waiting for someone to gatecrash that party, Shanks in Marineford style. Balls deep and no remorse, let the chaos flow! I am ready.. in two weeks or so.
 

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Well, he did offer to kiss her somewhere else. As someone wrote on ***********, he is willing to skip the main dish and eat the Pudding instead. How sweet!

Anyway, I was really hoping that Sanji would give her a cold shoulder, so I was a bit annoyed that he is still the same old Sanji. On the other hand, when I read about the "bloody" wedding, I chuckled, so all is well.

I am just waiting for someone to gatecrash that party, Shanks in Marineford style. Balls deep and no remorse, let the chaos flow! I am ready.. in two weeks or so.
There was a theory on YT on Mihawk's history with Germa 66, how sick would a slash from the black sword be ?
 

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Well, he did offer to kiss her somewhere else. As someone wrote on ***********, he is willing to skip the main dish and eat the Pudding instead. How sweet!

Anyway, I was really hoping that Sanji would give her a cold shoulder, so I was a bit annoyed that he is still the same old Sanji. On the other hand, when I read about the "bloody" wedding, I chuckled, so all is well.

I am just waiting for someone to gatecrash that party, Shanks in Marineford style. Balls deep and no remorse, let the chaos flow! I am ready.. in two weeks or so.
Imagine if suddenly during all the chaos Kaido comes crashing from the sky and says "WHERE THE HELL IS CEASER!!!"
 

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Come on now guys.. ~Naruto&Itachi~ and I can't be the only ones seeing this right??

Oda is basically telling us who Mother Caramel is just by showing her picture alone..
And having ms. Bakkins wear sunglasses too?!..
It all fits very well if you ask me...
Not too mention, this will help Weevil and his "mother" be more apart of the story/world.. crazy.. Oda is a genius!


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Come on now guys.. ~Naruto&Itachi~ and I can't be the only ones seeing this right??

Oda is basically telling us who Mother Caramel is just by showing her picture alone..
And having ms. Bakkins wear sunglasses too?!..
It all fits very well if you ask me...
Not too mention, this will help Weevil and his "mother" be more apart of the story/world.. crazy.. Oda is a genius!
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It must be her indeed.
 

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If katakuri stops big mom from opening that box he is in for a world of hurt. I don't think even being her future predicting son will save him from her dedication to opening it.

Current prediction: Somehow katakuri prevents things from going according to plan, maybe sanji is at fault too. Many conspirators are captured and big mom is gloating in her victory. She goes to top it all off by opening the tamatebako and katakuri goes to stop her, predicting it has a bomb in it, before he can explain why he stopped her, big mom smashes him into the floor because she will not let her special moment be ruined. She opens the box and the bomb goes off. She is unscathed but the explosion destroys the picture of mother caramel. At that moment luffy and co jump through the hidden mirror and she gets hit with the poison rocket.
 
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IS THIS Bi*** WEEVIL'S MOM?

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Sanji needs to get laid.
Ask Oda if Sanji ever gonna lose his virginity.
Oda used to call him the womanizer in the text boxes a while back. The mermaids loved him and didn't want him to leave Fishman Island. Y'all sleeping on Sanji's cheek smashing game.
 
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Come on now guys.. ~Naruto&Itachi~ and I can't be the only ones seeing this right??

Oda is basically telling us who Mother Caramel is just by showing her picture alone..
And having ms. Bakkins wear sunglasses too?!..
It all fits very well if you ask me...
Not too mention, this will help Weevil and his "mother" be more apart of the story/world.. crazy.. Oda is a genius!


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It made sense when he said it but then I looked at the picture longer and the nose looks too different. Plus she claimed to be WB's lover so having her be BM's mom or "mom" whichever would be a confusing story line. Also if that were the case then wouldn't Wb or BM be in the others family in some way?

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Oda used to call him the womanizer in the text boxes a while back. The mermaids loved him and didn't want him to leave Fishman Island. Y'all sleeping on Sanji's cheek smashing game.
You're the 3rd person to post this now, why you acting like you just realized it. Come on.
 

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It made sense when he said it but then I looked at the picture longer and the nose looks too different. Plus she claimed to be WB's lover so having her be BM's mom or "mom" whichever would be a confusing story line. Also if that were the case then wouldn't Wb or BM be in the others family in some way?



You're the 3rd person to post this now, why you acting like you just realized it. Come on.
I hadn't read the thread when I posted it. A few NBers and I were talking about it on Skype when we realized it, so I posted and saw the other posts afterwards. I promise you'll be okay.
 

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I hadn't read the thread when I posted it. A few NBers and I were talking about it on Skype when we realized it, so I posted and saw the other posts afterwards. I promise you'll be okay.
Whatever you wanna tell yourself and yeah I'll be fine, I'm not the one that jumped into damage control for some reason.
 

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It made sense when he said it but then I looked at the picture longer and the nose looks too different. Plus she claimed to be WB's lover so having her be BM's mom or "mom" whichever would be a confusing story line. Also if that were the case then wouldn't Wb or BM be in the others family in some way?



You're the 3rd person to post this now, why you acting like you just realized it. Come on.
It might make sense for WB and big mom to have that kind of relationship. WB did want a family afterall just like big mam. Maybe WB influenced bakkin aka Mother caramel to also make a family and big mom was the result.
 
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