[Predictions] One Piece Manga Chapter 858 Discussion and 859 Predictions

[Hexuze]

Capone is rising up fav supernova list. This plan & tea party is about to be hype. Finally this arc is picking up nicely and lol at the milk gag. Great chapter, what's with that elbaf hype?

Gotta appreciate the Nami FS

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[~Naruto&Itachi~]

5/5 amazing chapter....ODA man.....loved the chapter....I think Gastino looks amazing can't wait to see him get development and a back story....he seems like he might be admiral level maybe even Sogeking level

 

[Skull Knight]

Because the chef was introduced as a knight and will probably play a part later.

The thing is we still got 2 more commanders who basically got zero panels in this arc.
Only 3or4 hours is remaining for the wedding thing. Oda could have atleast showed a panel with Katakuri(whatever his/her name is) landing in Cake island or checking the arrangements but nope we get a bakery scene with a weird cake recipe.

Looks like you understood nothing from last weeks Bobbin discussion.

Last week u said Bobbin will most probably be a fixer who is going to reveal everything to BM but it seems like Pekoms will be the one who is going to reveal Capone's treachery.

 

[Olorin]

I see OP fandom is hyping Elbaf way too much, Yonko>many countries, in fact countries a desperate for a Yonko to take over, stop hyping Elbaf, you will only be disappointed, the bobbin effect, same happened to the germa overhype

It was a fantastic chapter, loved it. But I do find myself wondering how Oda will handle all these alliances, I'm personally not the biggest fan of Bege, no matter how hyped it made me. Power alone is not enough to deconstruct a world order and create a new kne, you need legitimacy as well, that is where many of the supernova are problematic

Ok, now to go drink some milk

 

[Itachi Minato]

I see OP fandom is hyping Elbaf way too much, Yonko>many countries, in fact countries a desperate for a Yonko to take over, stop hyping Elbaf, you will only be disappointed, the bobbin effect, same happened to the germa overhype

It was a fantastic chapter, loved it. But I do find myself wondering how Oda will handle all these alliances, I'm personally not the biggest fan of Bege, no matter how hyped it made me. Power alone is not enough to deconstruct a world order and create a new kne, you need legitimacy as well, that is where many of the supernova are problematic

Ok, now to go drink some milk

Elbaf is a country a Yonko wants to take over but has been unable to do so. Usually the Yonko seem to get what they want for the most part. I don't understand how you can take this any other way than that Elbaf is on a Yonko crews level.

 

[Olorin]

Elbaf is a country a Yonko wants to take over but has been unable to do so. Usually the Yonko seem to get what they want for the most part. I don't understand how you can take this any other way than that Elbaf is on a Yonko crews level.

Actually what it said was that an alliance fell through and the relationship worsened, that means nothing to me and certainly doesn't tell me that Elbaf is the "5th world power" as an equal to a yonko crew, because that is what it would be in that case

Closer ties fell through and relationship worsened between Iran and the US, but that tells me nothing of the balance of power either, geopolitics in OP isnt as simple or insignificant as most fans think

If you disagree that is your thing, but don't act as though you have proof, because you don't, I might end up wrong but last time I argued a very similar case (germa) it turned out I was exactly on point

 

[chopstickchakra]

It said they already had beef until Loki fell in love with Lola. The deceit caused by Chiffon worsened their previous relations. I'm going to say that they're equal or relatively close. Now if this army has the strength of a Yonkou, it makes sense that the two of them could take over the world, lmao.

The giants hated BM but she didn't hate them you said beef and that they both managed to survive as if the two groups have been fighting but nothing indicates that. They could hate her because she kept harassing them about allying then when one of them goes for it her daughter leaves making them hate her more.

 

[Joker]

The giants hated BM but she didn't hate them you said beef and that they both managed to survive as if the two groups have been fighting but nothing indicates that. They could hate her because she kept harassing them about allying then when one of them goes for it her daughter leaves making them hate her more.

I like my idea more, so i'm going to go with that.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Actually what it said was that an alliance fell through and the relationship worsened, that means nothing to me and certainly doesn't tell me that Elbaf is the "5th world power" as an equal to a yonko crew, because that is what it would be in that case

Closer ties fell through and relationship worsened between Iran and the US, but that tells me nothing of the balance of power either, geopolitics in OP isnt as simple or insignificant as most fans think

If you disagree that is your thing, but don't act as though you have proof, because you don't, I might end up wrong but last time I argued a very similar case (germa) it turned out I was exactly on point

Elbaf giants aren't really like the Germa though, they've been being foreshadowed and hyped and referenced since before EL. Plus going by how this manga has worked the further in you're introduce the more powerful you are and they're still yet to appear means they'll have a high power level. Also indications are they're at either stronger or equal to 1 Yonkou since BM hasn't been able to take them over by force. The implication this chapter was 1 yonkou couldn't subjugate Elbaf on their own or it would have likely happened by now since as you said Yonkou typically take countries under they're rule.

 

[Olorin]

Elbaf giants aren't really like the Germa though, they've been being foreshadowed and hyped and referenced since before EL. Plus going by how this manga has worked the further in you're introduce the more powerful you are and they're still yet to appear means they'll have a high power level. Also indications are they're at either stronger or equal to 1 Yonkou since BM hasn't been able to take them over by force. The implication this chapter was 1 yonkou couldn't subjugate Elbaf on their own or it would have likely happened by now since as you said Yonkou typically take countries under they're rule.

(Imo) We already know all the strongest players in the OP world, that is how Oda sxplained the OP world order and balance of power, it would make little to no sense in introducing another player that big and there is abolutely no reason to think that someone introduced later in the series would automatically be stronger, and the fact that we know all the big players simce pre TS is precisely what makes OP so good

Also Elbaf has been foretold since 250 chapters before EL, hints about Sanjis lineage (germa) have also been a thing since Alabasta and Jaya

But all we can do is wait and see, but if I turn out to be right I can already see people b????ing all over because "Elbaf was some worthless overhyped fairy tail s??t" just like they are today with the "disappointing BM pirates" even though we clearly see with the WB pirates that only a very few (5 in that case) stand out

 

[ToshiZO]

I see OP fandom is hyping Elbaf way too much, Yonko>many countries, in fact countries a desperate for a Yonko to take over, stop hyping Elbaf, you will only be disappointed, the bobbin effect, same happened to the germa overhype

It was a fantastic chapter, loved it. But I do find myself wondering how Oda will handle all these alliances, I'm personally not the biggest fan of Bege, no matter how hyped it made me. Power alone is not enough to deconstruct a world order and create a new kne, you need legitimacy as well, that is where many of the supernova are problematic

Ok, now to go drink some milk

Big Mom said if she was able to get Elbaf on her side she would be PK by now, no one is over hyping them, their military strength has been made clear by Oda.

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[Caliburn]

I see OP fandom is hyping Elbaf way too much, Yonko>many countries, in fact countries a desperate for a Yonko to take over, stop hyping Elbaf, you will only be disappointed, the bobbin effect, same happened to the germa overhype

It was a fantastic chapter, loved it. But I do find myself wondering how Oda will handle all these alliances, I'm personally not the biggest fan of Bege, no matter how hyped it made me. Power alone is not enough to deconstruct a world order and create a new kne, you need legitimacy as well, that is where many of the supernova are problematic

Ok, now to go drink some milk

This has nothing to do with the fandom as the series itself has hyped Elbaf to a point that barely can be exceeded. Elbaf is quite different from Bobbins as there was never any reason to hype him and whether the hype of Germa is justified or not, has yet to be determined as we still haven't seen them going all out.

The Elbaf giants however have been a recurrent theme throughout the series since Little Garden and have been a source of speculation for years now. Not too long ago BM herself said that if Lola's wedding had gone through and she had access to the power of giants, she would have been the Pirate King by now. In this chapter Chiffon describes Elbaf as the "strongest country in the world", something you probably have to interpret literally. There is really no doubt here that their power and potential must be phenomenal if they are rated that high by a Yonkou and her crew.

That there was apparently already bad blood between Elbaf and BM before the wedding affaire, is striking as the latter really has no issues with demonstrating her power. So the bare minimum here is that they're strong enough for her not to make any rash decisions.

That however doesn't suddenly mean that Elbaf is a global power rivaling a Yonkou. The key here is how you define power. The Yonkou control vast stretches of land and ocean, command entire armies, have an extensive network of people and communication and this all for the purpose of becoming the Pirate King. In the case of Elbaf we are probably talking about a relative small number of individuals who have a culture centered around the pride of a warrior. So as a global power they don't mean much, but when it comes down to a direct physical confrontation, well yeah then even a Yonkou will think twice before engaging them as horde of several hundred warrior-giants, possibly with a few DF and Haki users, is frightening.

 

[Love Cook]

The thing is we still got 2 more commanders who basically got zero panels in this arc.
Only 3or4 hours is remaining for the wedding thing. Oda could have atleast showed a panel with Katakuri(whatever his/her name is) landing in Cake island or checking the arrangements but nope we get a bakery scene with a weird cake recipe.


Last week u said Bobbin will most probably be a fixer who is going to reveal everything to BM but it seems like Pekoms will be the one who is going to reveal Capone's treachery.

That is not what I said at all you clearly missed the point. I gave 1 reason why Bobbins might still pop up, and that still can come true. The point was that he probably has a bigger role. Just like the chef.

It would be bad writing if those guys would appear out of thin air without any introduction. A vital part of making a good story is also world building. The thing that makes One Piece One Piece is that there is a different feeling on every island. And the singing homies baking a cake for a chef with a sword is part of that.

The only reason you know about Katakuri is because Oda named Katakuri. The only reason you haven't seen him yet is because Oda decided to do so. There must be a reason for that.

You can sum up all the books you've read again, but the one thing we should be grateful for is that you're not a writer. Because your stories would suck ass.

 

[chopstickchakra]

I like my idea more, so i'm going to go with that.

Sounds like a plan.

(Imo) We already know all the strongest players in the OP world, that is how Oda sxplained the OP world order and balance of power, it would make little to no sense in introducing another player that big and there is abolutely no reason to think that someone introduced later in the series would automatically be stronger, and the fact that we know all the big players simce pre TS is precisely what makes OP so good

Also Elbaf has been foretold since 250 chapters before EL, hints about Sanjis lineage (germa) have also been a thing since Alabasta and Jaya

But all we can do is wait and see, but if I turn out to be right I can already see people b????ing all over because "Elbaf was some worthless overhyped fairy tail s??t" just like they are today with the "disappointing BM pirates" even though we clearly see with the WB pirates that only a very few (5 in that case) stand out

Oda never explained the Gorosei so are they not going to be a big power towards the end? Oda's laid out the Giants legendary status since early on and has reaffirmed it with people like Broggy and Dorry(whose bounties had been stuck for 100 years) and Oars and these recent chapters.

Sanji's lineage has been a mystery since early on but never the notion of their power level. The giants have been being regarded as strong the whole time, Sanji's family wasn't even known until now.

Elbaf is also going to be a growing point and guide to a SH which is another strong indicator they'll have great power.

This has nothing to do with the fandom as the series itself has hyped Elbaf to a point that barely can be exceeded. Elbaf is quite different from Bobbins as there was never any reason to hype him and whether the hype of Germa is justified or not, has yet to be determined as we still haven't seen them going all out.

The Elbaf giants however have been a recurrent theme throughout the series since Little Garden and have been a source of speculation for years now. Not too long ago BM herself said that if Lola's wedding had gone through and she had access to the power of giants, she would have been the Pirate King by now. In this chapter Chiffon describes Elbaf as the "strongest country in the world", something you probably have to interpret literally. There is really no doubt here that their power and potential must be phenomenal if they are rated that high by a Yonkou and her crew.

That there was apparently already bad blood between Elbaf and BM before the wedding affaire, is striking as the latter really has no issues with demonstrating her power. So the bare minimum here is that they're strong enough for her not to make any rash decisions.

That however doesn't suddenly mean that Elbaf is a global power rivaling a Yonkou. The key here is how you define power. The Yonkou control vast stretches of land and ocean, command entire armies, have an extensive network of people and communication and this all for the purpose of becoming the Pirate King. In the case of Elbaf we are probably talking about a relative small number of individuals who have a culture centered around the pride of a warrior. So as a global power they don't mean much, but when it comes down to a direct physical confrontation, well yeah then even a Yonkou will think twice before engaging them as horde of several hundred warrior-giants, possibly with a few DF and Haki users, is frightening.

I think the part about them being mad at her is because it sounds like she kept hounding them to partner up and they were getting annoyed. I don't think it was a hate where they fought each other.

 

[Mystikk]

Big Mom said if she was able to get Elbaf on her side she would be PK by now, no one is over hyping them, their military strength has been made clear by Oda.

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Exactly i was looking for this same exact scan lol thanks. I believe that the giants army could take on a yonko crew, they are after all the STRONGEST COUNTRY in onepiece.. look at how much of an impact oars had at marineford.. Look at what luffy accomplished training with rayliegh against bigger more giant animals... looking at what luffy can do in gear 4th should imply that an army of giants could really cause any pirate a headache.

Bege shows he is a serious mastermind and he gained my respect after demanding all the strawhats clean up before presenting themselves.. just like a boss lol.

I have a feeling after they defeat bigmom luffy and bege will still have an alliance when luffy goes to meet law and zorro in wano.. almost tripling there fleet force for kaido. Im sure between law and zorro they will gain even more alliances to complete a stronger strawhat fleet. We still have catviper going to meet up with MARCO!!!! lol please oda! Lol

 

[LBeezy]

Elbaf is gonna be so lit

 

[Caliburn]

Sounds like a plan.



Oda never explained the Gorosei so are they not going to be a big power towards the end? Oda's laid out the Giants legendary status since early on and has reaffirmed it with people like Broggy and Dorry(whose bounties had been stuck for 100 years) and Oars and these recent chapters.

Sanji's lineage has been a mystery since early on but never the notion of their power level. The giants have been being regarded as strong the whole time, Sanji's family wasn't even known until now.

Elbaf is also going to be a growing point and guide to a SH which is another strong indicator they'll have great power.



I think the part about them being mad at her is because it sounds like she kept hounding them to partner up and they were getting annoyed. I don't think it was a hate where they fought each other.

I think there's a bit more to it than just BM pestering them about a potential marriage, in particular when their prince got smitten by Lola. The fact that BM is planning to annihilate the Germa 66 instead of going through with the wedding, shows that her marriage-policy is not absolute and that she uses alternative methods to get what she wants. So I guess she originally tried less subtle methods to gain the power of giants.

 

[TheLegend0713]

It definitely wasn't a bad chapter, and I do appreciate learning more about Chiffon and Lola, but it was a chapter of nothing happening. Caesar's presence will eventually end up being important, but it didn't faze me this chapter. It was just a boring chapter for me. I'm looking forward to next chapter, though, because I really want to see what Bege's plan is.

 

[chopstickchakra]

I'm kind of shocked more people didn't have an issue with how Luffy got his tooth back. I'm glad there weren't a lot but I'm still surprised there weren't.

 

[Mystikk]

I'm kind of shocked more people didn't have an issue with how Luffy got his tooth back. I'm glad there weren't a lot but I'm still surprised there weren't.

The power of milk hahha... im still shockedat how fast luffy recovery speed has gotten since dressrosa... luffy is getting stronger peeps.. his body was always healing fast but lately i feel like oda is making a point showing us how simply eating will give him strength but also instantly heal his wounds lol.. power of meat n milk hahahag.