[Predictions] One Piece Manga Chapter 858 Discussion and 859 Predictions

[Punk Hazard]

I'm kind of shocked more people didn't have an issue with how Luffy got his tooth back. I'm glad there weren't a lot but I'm still surprised there weren't.

I hope to God it's Life Return.

 

[Kushina89]

The power of milk hahha... im still shockedat how fast luffy recovery speed has gotten since dressrosa... luffy is getting stronger peeps.. his body was always healing fast but lately i feel like oda is making a point showing us how simply eating will give him strength but also instantly heal his wounds lol.. power of shounen asspull and friendship smh.

welcome to OP

 

[Dibattista27]

So now law and zoro are gunna team up with Kidd to fight kiado in the next arc.

 

[SixPathsMike101]

Nami in the shower, and bath. that's a 5/5 for me, seeing as how i'm a perv. But in all seriousness, good chapter, it was funny, Elbaf got some hype, and they laid out a plan to fight big mom. Now we just wait to see how it plays out.

 

[Simpleatitsbest]

This has nothing to do with the fandom as the series itself has hyped Elbaf to a point that barely can be exceeded. Elbaf is quite different from Bobbins as there was never any reason to hype him and whether the hype of Germa is justified or not, has yet to be determined as we still haven't seen them going all out.

The Elbaf giants however have been a recurrent theme throughout the series since Little Garden and have been a source of speculation for years now. Not too long ago BM herself said that if Lola's wedding had gone through and she had access to the power of giants, she would have been the Pirate King by now. In this chapter Chiffon describes Elbaf as the "strongest country in the world", something you probably have to interpret literally. There is really no doubt here that their power and potential must be phenomenal if they are rated that high by a Yonkou and her crew.

That there was apparently already bad blood between Elbaf and BM before the wedding affaire, is striking as the latter really has no issues with demonstrating her power. So the bare minimum here is that they're strong enough for her not to make any rash decisions.

That however doesn't suddenly mean that Elbaf is a global power rivaling a Yonkou. The key here is how you define power. The Yonkou control vast stretches of land and ocean, command entire armies, have an extensive network of people and communication and this all for the purpose of becoming the Pirate King. In the case of Elbaf we are probably talking about a relative small number of individuals who have a culture centered around the pride of a warrior. So as a global power they don't mean much, but when it comes down to a direct physical confrontation, well yeah then even a Yonkou will think twice before engaging them as horde of several hundred warrior-giants, possibly with a few DF and Haki users, is frightening.

Just regarding that last bit, I hope there's not that many giants, their country would have to be MASSIVE and so far we have yet to see a giant use haki. You'd think at the very least Hajrudin could use haki, being in the new world and a wrecking giant pirate crew captain.. Then you have all the giants in the marines that are vice admiral which were suppose to have some level of haki, but yet none have shown to use it, which fair enough that haki was introduced after the time skip but Bastille hasn't shown using either observations nor armament.

They'd be quite OP if they were able to use either haki or DF's, so I'm sort of hoping that they just have pure brute strength and robustness of being, well, giants aha

 

[LBeezy]

Just regarding that last bit, I hope there's not that many giants, their country would have to be MASSIVE and so far we have yet to see a giant use haki. You'd think at the very least Hajrudin could use haki, being in the new world and a wrecking giant pirate crew captain.. Then you have all the giants in the marines that are vice admiral which were suppose to have some level of haki, but yet none have shown to use it, which fair enough that haki was introduced after the time skip but Bastille hasn't shown using either observations nor armament.

They'd be quite OP if they were able to use either haki or DF's, so I'm sort of hoping that they just have pure brute strength and robustness of being, well, giants aha

It's probably going to be one of the biggest, if not the biggest, islands in their world..

zoom in on this world globe if you want

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and you can make a good bet that Elbaf is one of the biggest islands on their planet.

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OR hey, it could very well be a small island after all.. lol

xd imagine the Giants are all just hanging out on a crowded island xd

lol idk what Oda's gonna do.. but either way, I can't wait til Usopp gets there!

 

[Caliburn]

Just regarding that last bit, I hope there's not that many giants, their country would have to be MASSIVE and so far we have yet to see a giant use haki. You'd think at the very least Hajrudin could use haki, being in the new world and a wrecking giant pirate crew captain.. Then you have all the giants in the marines that are vice admiral which were suppose to have some level of haki, but yet none have shown to use it, which fair enough that haki was introduced after the time skip but Bastille hasn't shown using either observations nor armament.

They'd be quite OP if they were able to use either haki or DF's, so I'm sort of hoping that they just have pure brute strength and robustness of being, well, giants aha

It has already been confirmed that there are several islands containing giants and that Elbaf is merely one of them. However they are the most known because they scream the loudest if you want to put it that way. This comes from the mouth of Jaguar D Saul, a non-Elbaf giant. So overall seen giants might be rare, but not that particularly low in population from a relative perspective. Frankly saying a few hundred individuals for Elbaf is rationally speaking way too low, it makes far more sense to speak about several thousands of individuals as in a global perspective, no matter how big an individual is, a species that consists only of a thousand individuals is on the brink of extinction.

We've also learned that according to Hajrudin the Giant Warrior Pirates of Dorry & Brogy are quite famous amongst the Elbaf giants. The average pirate crew at least has around a dozen individuals and Hajrudin himself said that currently his group of giants 'only' consists out of 4 people. We also recently learned that Elbaf has a prince, meaning there's a king, it's a kingdom and it has a professional army. So we have some indications of their notion on what many is and that they have quite a bit of divisions in their society. This is not possible if you only have a dozen individuals. My estimation of a few hundreds is like the lowest of the low. Anything under that is not even sensible.

That such a relatively large population requires a large island is really not an issue as Oda has bend such practical issues to his own liking before. In particular FI was kinda defying logic.

That giants can use Haki is almost a 100% certain as there is no reason as why they shouldn't as Haki is present in all living things. That we haven't seen a giant using Haki makes no difference and normally every vice-admiral and above should be able to use it, so Bastille should know it. In fact it makes quite a huge difference if giants can't use Haki as then they are pretty much huge ass targets, which was clearly shown with Oars during the War of the Best. Not all will be able to use it, but their primary fighters definitely will.

Up to this moment nearly any kind of large group the Strawhats interacted with had one or more DF users. It would be quite surprising if none of the giants would be one. The fact that Hajrudin participated in the Corrida tournament to win the Mera Mera no Mi with the intention of eating it, indicates they very well can eat DF.