[Predictions] One Piece Manga Chapter 856 Discussion and 857 Predictions
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I have to say, the way Oda has been off-paneling and cutting fights short since the timeskip ended has been pretty disappointing. I hope it's because he's gonna cut loose soon.
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All this time and Sanji still doesn't really understand Luffy. Issue 1 is the same as Usopp and Sanji was the voice of reason then so why is he getting it twisted now? Apologize and move on. And that "If you understand, please leave" line, really? Luffy's not gonna understand Sanji refusing to return with him. It's like he never even considered to ask for help, from his captain.
Capone making moves, it's starting to seem more and more likely BM will be defeated because I don't really see any point to have her get in a fight at this point with Supernova's if she's gonna bury them(wrestling term) BM is gonna be used to put Capone and the SH's over in the NW(another wrestling term)
Capone making moves, it's starting to seem more and more likely BM will be defeated because I don't really see any point to have her get in a fight at this point with Supernova's if she's gonna bury them(wrestling term) BM is gonna be used to put Capone and the SH's over in the NW(another wrestling term)
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Well it matters who literally 'pulled the trigger'. If this was Bege it is the start of his rebellion against Big Mom, And it was off paneled because we can't know yet what is going on.
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It's par for his course seeing as he felt the same about Usopp and it was a shitty call then and a shitty call now. Your point?
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So when Sanji expects Luffy to abandon Sanji, it's "He doesn't understand Luffy what the ****cuccuaa=gkak !1"
But when Zoro expects Luffy to abandon Sanji, it's "Yo who cares das just Zoro"
Just like I thought.
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When did I say who cares it's Zoro or that Zoro understood Luffy either? Is that how you interpret "it's a shitty call then and now"? Not surprising you can only gather your own perspective from others words. Zoro's doesn't carry as much weight with it since he's been that way from the start, Sanji's is more disappointing because as a reader because it's unexpected with what he's been through with the crew.
On the topic of the BM fight that was being discussed earlier(since Riker's just gonna keep arguing with people being disappointed in some of the actions Oda had Sanji make this arc)
People keep bringing up BM's soul attacks but forget one big thing from when she killed her son. The townsfolk said don't show fear implying if you aren't afraid of her or can hide it she'll be less effective. Luffy's not gonna be scared at all. So BM's big trump card may not even be that effective against Luffy if they fight and Luffy had Brook which has shown to be a factor against BM, he could handle a lot of the Homies and Nami and her Vivre card can hold off a bunch too. The BM fight seems a lot more likely going forward; SH's on WCI, Capone, Vinsmokes, and BM's losing big names left and right(2 commanders and Bobbins)
And on the matter of Bobbins, I know we don't know how he got shot but we can assume it's Capone so where are we placing Bobbins now? I now a lot were thinking he was a commander then we saw he's not that level then Sanji blasted him and a Nova seems to have taken him down. Do we think he's M3 level? Do you think there's a Nova he could beat?
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Missed that part, genuine mistake on my part.
I'll stop when legit, non-bullshit reasons start
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Now this arc has become like Arlong Park Arc where Sanji is in same position as Nami was there.
This is definately one of the worse OP arc post TS. Some of the things in this arc makes no sense.
-Sanji is doing nothing other than crying(he should start planning how to escape Cake island & free Zeff)
-BM has somebody like Brulee who can keep an eye on everything in Cake island via Mirrors but she gave this job to that book guy(who has no clue that Luffy and Nami has already escaped Prison and Sanji isn't in his room).
-Where the hell is other 2 commanders?
-BM not killing Jinbei(the guy left her crew to join Luffy who is supposed to be nothing infront of her). I think its a big insult & let's not forget Luffy challenged BM back at FI arc.
I hope Bege/Luffy finishes BM in this arc because I m least interested in seeing her again in Wano or after that.
This is definately one of the worse OP arc post TS. Some of the things in this arc makes no sense.
-Sanji is doing nothing other than crying(he should start planning how to escape Cake island & free Zeff)
-BM has somebody like Brulee who can keep an eye on everything in Cake island via Mirrors but she gave this job to that book guy(who has no clue that Luffy and Nami has already escaped Prison and Sanji isn't in his room).
-Where the hell is other 2 commanders?
-BM not killing Jinbei(the guy left her crew to join Luffy who is supposed to be nothing infront of her). I think its a big insult & let's not forget Luffy challenged BM back at FI arc.
I hope Bege/Luffy finishes BM in this arc because I m least interested in seeing her again in Wano or after that.
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The crying is a bit much, but what is Sanji supposed to do about Zeff being held hostage? Genuine question, what power does Sanji have to free Zeff?
Probably a good point.
Why would they be out and about right now?
That's because Jinbei chose to pretend to still be under Big Mom instead of spinning the wheel. Big Mom doesn't know that Jinbei is rebelling and the only person who works for BM and knows doesn't want to tell her out of fear.
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This is a legit question how Sanji is going to save Zeff because even after they survive BM's execution ceremony I doubt Vinsmokes are going to free Sanji or Zeff. He can be still be blackmailed to do their bidding after this arc is finished. I think one of the Vinsmokes brother might have brought Zeff in Cake island so that he can black mail Sanji if he tried to escape Cake island.
The whole Cake island was in turmoil few hours back because a certain Rookie defeated one of the BM's commanders & one of the crew member tried to steal Poneglyph but what we see is an enraged army sent to captured Luffy & BM herself coming to that room to solo Brook.
Also we shouldn't forget that it is a wedding so logically all the family members should be present in this arc.
If I remember properly certain fodders(Nami soloed them) saw jinbei and Nami escaping that prison thing. I know they fear BM but they need to report this to that book guy(dont u think).
That was obivous even though Sanji doesn't like his family,he is not that kind of person to leave them in hell.ALSO finally Luffy punched some sense into Sanji,God sake man get a grip that was an emotional moment.
hopefully a lot more coming from Sanji! 5/5
hopefully a lot more coming from Sanji! 5/5
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Bobbin's strength is inconclusive. He took a surprise kick from Sanji and he got ambushed and shot be someone he wasn't expecting to betray him. In this chapter, Sanji actually got knocked down, spat out blood, and got a bruise from a nameless, Haki-less surprise punch from base Luffy, so Bobbin getting knocked down and bruised by a surprise kick from an enraged Sanji is clearly not very indicative of his strength level.
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I'm assumingyou're talking about Bobbin getting kicked and bruised. If so, do you think Sanji is a fodder since a nameless punch from base Luffy bruised him and knocked him down?
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