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Was an okay chapter, what I found more interesting was the polar bear mink named Zepo, he's definitely Bepos father.

I wonder does he know BM killed him, maybe he will find out the truth and we get the Heart pirates vs The BM pirates in the future.
 

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What's also interesting is that Big Mam can see the amount of years a person has left like she did with Zepo. That might make her encounter with Brook more interesting. It's starting to look like we might learn how long Luffy has to live in this arc. He's already lost some of his lifespan and a direct encounter with BM is imminent imo, I think she'll take more years from him.

On another note, it's been a month and Luffy is still missing that tooth of his. Thought it would have magically come back by now.
 

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What's also interesting is that Big Mam can see the amount of years a person has left like she did with Zepo. That might make her encounter with Brook more interesting. It's starting to look like we might learn how long Luffy has to live in this arc. He's already lost some of his lifespan and a direct encounter with BM is imminent imo, I think she'll take more years from him.

On another note, it's been a month and Luffy is still missing that tooth of his. Thought it would have magically come back by now.
It hasn't been a month, It has been half an hour or something
 

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I knew she was a *****. I just ****ing knew she was faking it, "who'd marry that idiot". Guess even the freak with the 3 eyes is giving sanji an L. Hopefully this knocks some sense into him and he goes and helps out his crew and leaves this island.
Sanji has been pure cringe this entire arc, and it just hit its peak here, he was a full fledged tool. Deserved every bit of what just happened, when you act like a submissive tool, and run away from thinking about your captain (rationally), these things tend to happen.
Sanji has been very disappointing. Earlier, people were arguing that he is forcing himself to love Pudding for the sake of Straw Hats. This chapter made it abundantly clear that Sanji will take any woman over his crew. It was pretty clear that he was not forcing himself to lover her or anything. For God's sake the guy was dreaming about Pudding being naked and shit. All this while his nakama is on the verge of death. He deserved this. Sanji as a character has regressed for me in this arc.
Luffy, Pedro and Chopper were good though.
 

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Apoo I think u mean Urogue. Well that's BM for u who doesn't give a shit about what happens to her crew because she can make more kids wit some ugly looking guy
You're right I did mean Urogue. It was a long morning.

What I'm saying is that at that point in time there was no way for Sanji to know how deep in the shit he was. Kicking it off against Capone and rejecting the invitation to the wedding at that point is playing Russian roulette with 5 bullets if your up against a yonkou. Besides the threat on Zeff's life was made by the Vinsmokes. Even if Sanji didn't get hunted down by Big Mom he still wouldve double crossed his father who would've ordered the hit on Zeff.

So in the end this is still the outcome with the least amount of casualties among Sanji's friends. That was his goal all along.



Wrong, Jack DID destroy Zou and the entire Mink nation. Everyone was beaten and dying of the poison gas. If it wasn't for Chopper and Ceasar the first time and Momonosuke the second time Jack would've succeeded in doing so.
Right the poison gas which means if JACK wasn't able to do it a specific weapon was and it means if whoever BM sends doesn't have that and isn't stronger than Jack then it they'll do jack shit. Also Jack DID NOT DESTROY Zou, if he had the elephant wouldn't have slapped him across an ocean and the elephant would be dead and the Minks and the country would be underwater but since Jack wasn't able to destroy Zou that didn't happen. Remember Zou is the island on Zunisha so to destroy Zou means to destroy Zunisha.

"If it wasn't for them" doesn't mean anything in this discussion though because they were there. The BM coming to kill the entire place isn't a valid argument when you consider all things; time delay before she even learns about the incident, travel time to Zou, trouble finding Zou with no Pekoms or Vivre card as it's always moving, Mink/SH/Zunisha protection, the perceived highest Kaidou commander and his crew couldn't get the job done with a super poison weapon.

If Sanji had fought off Capone they could have either waited on Zou with all of their support and challenged her then(she would need to come herself or send everything at once as we've seen a commander wouldn't be able to get the job done on his/her own while the SH's are there, and if she sent Cracker we all know how well that would go for him, p.s. not very good) or as someone else mentioned they could have left for Wano which is uder Kaidou's rule which means if she wanted to chase them there she'd either need to get permission from Kaidou or invade his territory both unlikely and Zou would be essentially lost to her without Pekoms.
 
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That was a thing of beauty. Bravo Oda.

So happy she's no just another Damsel in distress that the Straw Hats have to save that happens in almost every arc.
 

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Right the poison gas which means if JACK wasn't able to do it a specific weapon was and it means if whoever BM sends doesn't have that and isn't stronger than Jack then it they'll do jack shit. Also Jack DID NOT DESTROY Zou, if he had the elephant wouldn't have slapped him across an ocean and the elephant would be dead and the Minks and the country would be underwater but since Jack wasn't able to destroy Zou that didn't happen. Remember Zou is the island on Zunisha so to destroy Zou means to destroy Zunisha.

"If it wasn't for them" doesn't mean anything in this discussion though because they were there. The BM coming to kill the entire place isn't a valid argument when you consider all things; time delay before she even learns about the incident, travel time to Zou, trouble finding Zou with no Pekoms or Vivre card as it's always moving, Mink/SH/Zunisha protection, the perceived highest Kaidou commander and his crew couldn't get the job done with a super poison weapon.

If Sanji had fought off Capone they could have either waited on Zou with all of their support and challenged her then(she would need to come herself or send everything at once as we've seen a commander wouldn't be able to get the job done on his/her own while the SH's are there, and if she sent Cracker we all know how well that would go for him, p.s. not very good) or as someone else mentioned they could have left for Wano which is uder Kaidou's rule which means if she wanted to chase them there she'd either need to get permission from Kaidou or invade his territory both unlikely and Zou would be essentially lost to her without Pekoms.
What a load of bull.

The mink race was dead to rights after the first visit of Jack. If it doesn't mean anything that I said that they were lucky that the SH's were there. They better hope the SH's stick around because they're crucial in the defense of Zou.

So you're making a point of me saying that Zou was lucky to have the SH's but on the other hand you're saying. Jack was lucky for bringing the gas. HYPOCRITE ! Besides If you're out and about to conquer and destroy and you make a tactical decision to bring a certain weapon that is completely different than surviving because you were lucky someone dropped by at that precise point in time. Jack could've stayed just as easy and decapitate every single one before he left, he already won. Also Kaidou is a broker on the black market for weapons. Might as well declare the SMILE fruits as cheating, or what about Zoro's swords ? Or is Jack the only one that isn't allowed weapons ?

As for Zunisha, she had to be commanded by Momonosuke, another stroke of luck of him being there. Otherwise Jack would've had no trouble sinking Zou. See spoiler below.

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As for the last point about Sanji, are you even replying to me or is that meant for someone else ? Because I'm lost here. I clearly said that it was Judge who placed the hit on Zeff's head. If for whatever reason Sanji doesn't show up for the wedding his head would come off. Location and defense of Zou don't matter a bit.

Big Mom is known for her intel of everything that is going on in the world. If Big Mom wants to get to Zou she gets to Zou. She has a collection of every species in the world. So she can probably fish another mink out of one of her books. The fact that you say that they could stand their ground on Zou with reinforcement or flee to Kaidou territory is insane. Both routes are suicide.
 

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What a load of bull.

The mink race was dead to rights after the first visit of Jack. If it doesn't mean anything that I said that they were lucky that the SH's were there. They better hope the SH's stick around because they're crucial in the defense of Zou.

So you're making a point of me saying that Zou was lucky to have the SH's but on the other hand you're saying. Jack was lucky for bringing the gas. HYPOCRITE ! Besides If you're out and about to conquer and destroy and you make a tactical decision to bring a certain weapon that is completely different than surviving because you were lucky someone dropped by at that precise point in time. Jack could've stayed just as easy and decapitate every single one before he left, he already won. Also Kaidou is a broker on the black market for weapons. Might as well declare the SMILE fruits as cheating, or what about Zoro's swords ? Or is Jack the only one that isn't allowed weapons ?

As for Zunisha, she had to be commanded by Momonosuke, another stroke of luck of him being there. Otherwise Jack would've had no trouble sinking Zou. See spoiler below.

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As for the last point about Sanji, are you even replying to me or is that meant for someone else ? Because I'm lost here. I clearly said that it was Judge who placed the hit on Zeff's head. If for whatever reason Sanji doesn't show up for the wedding his head would come off. Location and defense of Zou don't matter a bit.

Big Mom is known for her intel of everything that is going on in the world. If Big Mom wants to get to Zou she gets to Zou. She has a collection of every species in the world. So she can probably fish another mink out of one of her books. The fact that you say that they could stand their ground on Zou with reinforcement or flee to Kaidou territory is insane. Both routes are suicide.
If, If, If. If momosuke was there well it turns out he was so Zunisha would be able to defend herself if BM came at her had Sanji stayed with the crew.

I never said Jack was lucky for bringing the gas, that was preparation not luck I said Jack on his own couldn't take down Zunisha or the minks so unless BM would need to send a power greater than that of Jack/ the bomb. And for the record Jack needed the gas to beat the minks and Jack needed Zunisha to be passive to beat her, so a commanders strength alone is not enough to take out Zou let alone Zou and the SH's and Law and some Wano Samurai. BM would need to send off the bat; all 3 commanders since as I say below 2 commanders get taken out and a bunch of her sub crews as long as they're stronger than the enraged army which was having trouble with an exhausted beaten Luffy.

The last part was an in general statement. As for Judge's threatening of Zeff, that only came about because Sanji was there, they wouldn't have been able to hold it over him if he wasn't there in the first place. Sure BM gets to Zou because you say so. She would have got to Zou because of Pekoms but not now. So unless she has another mink she'll need to rely on your magic to get her to Zou quickly. Both routes are suicide eh? Because that's essentially what they're doing now Lffy's group is standing ground and Zoro's group is going to Wano. Also Luffy/Nami beat Cracker and Zunisha beat Jack that's 2 of the 3 sweet commanders out of the way, it's pretty clear they'd have had a better chance at fighting on Zou then as they are at WCI.
 
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BM's crew wasn't an imminent threat though as it would have taken weeks for them to learn of it and then react to it and Zou is constantly moving.
And you think Big Mom wouldn't have been able to ever find Zou? Jack found it twice, even after it moved, and Oda emphasized that Big Mom is extremely resourceful and has deep connections. She'd have found Zou. Even if the Strawhats were long gone, you can't possibly think it's feasible to say Big Mom wouldn't have them interrogated.

Also if Jack couldn't destroy Zou or even the Mink nation, then short of BM coming herself her crew wouldn't have been as destructive as you're attributing to them.
Jack didn't destroy Zou the first time around because he literally chose not to. He had the Minks under his boot and the only reason they survived was because he left to rescue Doflamingo. The second time around, Jack was fully capable of destroying Zou and killing Zunisha had Momonosuke not been there to give the order. If the Strawhats are gone, then Big Mom's fleets should be able to do the same thing.

The only way Sanji staying on Zou would pose more of a threat to them all is if they stayed on Zou until BM herself came.
And considering how important this deal was to Big Mom, it's far more feasible she'd come herself than just send goons.

why will BM's full crew would come to Zou to find SHs???
At most one sweet commander would be sent to Zou and he/she can be easily stopped by Dukes considering the fact that they fought well against Jack.
And were soundly defeated, tortured, and dismembered.

And I doubt even this will happen since BM send zero armies behind Kidd when he destroyed BM ship or she sent nobody so far to Fishmen Island to destroy it.
She didn't know Kid had destroyed her ships and she didn't send anyone to destroy Fishman Island because Luffy agreed to take the blame for them to spare them.

Again BM has no business wit Sanji. She only wants Vinsmoke technology which she would have got if she captured Judge.
She wouldn't have wasted her resource on finding a guy who entered another Yonkos territory, since SH next stop is Wano.
If Sanji hadn't have came to the island, the Vinsmokes would have no reason to stick around, which would ruin her plan to massacre them and steal their technology. That would warrant her being pissed off enough to hunt the Strawhats.
She didn't even send anyone to hunt down Apoo as far as we know after he killed one of her commanders.
Apoo I think u mean Urogue. Well that's BM for u who doesn't give a shit about what happens to her crew because she can make more kids wit some ugly looking guy
You mean Urouge. And you're both inaccurate as hell. Urouge came into Whole Cake, defeated a commander, and then Big Mom had him pounded and forcibly escorted out of Whole Cake. Why would she hunt Urouge after having her subordinates beat the shit out of him and then kick him out of the country already?

I thought this was a really cool post. Wanted to share it here. Oda is a master of detail.
B-b-b-b-but Sanji doesn't care about them anymore /s

Sanji has been very disappointing. Earlier, people were arguing that he is forcing himself to love Pudding for the sake of Straw Hats. This chapter made it abundantly clear that Sanji will take any woman over his crew.
He literally went with Pudding without a fuss for the sole sake of his crew's safety. The pictures are really pretty, but try to read the words too.

It was pretty clear that he was not forcing himself to lover her or anything.
>There is literally pages of Sanji forcing himself to think positively about his marriage to Pudding
"Yeah but he's not forcing himself.

All this while his nakama is on the verge of death.
Sanji had no knowledge of his crew being on the verge of death. WE didn't know they were on the verge of death until the chapter that was released today, so how the **** would Sanji know that?
 

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What I'm saying is that at that point in time there was no way for Sanji to know how deep in the shit he was. Kicking it off against Capone and rejecting the invitation to the wedding at that point is playing Russian roulette with 5 bullets if your up against a yonkou. Besides the threat on Zeff's life was made by the Vinsmokes. Even if Sanji didn't get hunted down by Big Mom he still wouldve double crossed his father who would've ordered the hit on Zeff.

So in the end this is still the outcome with the least amount of casualties among Sanji's friends. That was his goal all along.
Yes but the thing is his plan wasn't foolproof.

He thought Luffy wont come behind him because he left a note saying he will come back. So far Luffy has never abandoned any crew member. Moreover this situation happened twice(First when Nami betrayed SHs, Second time when Robin went wit CP9) but the thing is Sanji didn't learned any thing from that two instances.

Another thing is that half the crew is basically doomed the moment they set foot on Cake Island because of Sanji. BM had full intel where SHs were and basically she could have killed them any moment she wants. BM's promise that she is not going to hurt SHs also makes no sense as U cant believe in Pirates words whose crew attacked u few days back saying that now they will destroy FI.
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And Zeff situation can be also tackled if Sanji simply called him saying "Go hide somewhere because some guys are coming to kill u" Zeff was a pirate. He would have some hideout when he was a pirate fighting Marines/other guys.

And were soundly defeated, tortured, and dismembered.
Yes and he has to use a weapon to do that. Nothing suggest Jack could have defeated Dukes without that weapon which also shows how strong Dukes were who were able to stop a guy whose Bounty is more than BM's commanders.

She didn't know Kid had destroyed her ships and she didn't send anyone to destroy Fishman Island because Luffy agreed to take the blame for them to spare them.
She knew kid destroyed her ships. Tamago reminded her at Fishman Island
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If Sanji hadn't have came to the island, the Vinsmokes would have no reason to stick around, which would ruin her plan to massacre them and steal their technology.
Judge and BM deal started after Sanji's poster was published. They were ready to form an alliance if their kids marry each other. Do u think BM with that mass army(who can somehow find Zou without Pekoms) will not be able to find Vinsmokes who are basically assassins and waging war in other countries???

That would warrant her being pissed off enough to hunt the Strawhats.
She would not hunt SHs because they would have entered Wano if Sanji kicked Capone's a** back at Zou.

And you're both inaccurate as hell. Urouge came into Whole Cake, defeated a commander, and then Big Mom had him pounded and forcibly escorted out of Whole Cake. Why would she hunt Urouge after having her subordinates beat the shit out of him and then kick him out of the country already?
Correct me if i m wrong, BM pirates think Urogue is basically dead isn't it???
 

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Seemed like it would be his dad.



I think Brooks abilities to control souls wll play a big part in their either defeat of or escape from BM.

The escape seems sham to me because:

There are not much OP shichibukai to defeat any out there so Luffy might as well start defeating a Yonko...
Kaido seems too OP at the moment, Charlotte Linlin is a start...
Luffy challenged her first than anyone when he entered the New World.
If Luffy runs from here then what will take the story forward other than fighting a Yonko?

The million Dollar question is: Is there something > Tank man, and how the hell will he defeat Mama..
 

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If, If, If. If momosuke was there well it turns out he was so Zunisha would be able to defend herself if BM came at her had Sanji stayed with the crew.

I never said Jack was lucky for bringing the gas, that was preparation not luck I said Jack on his own couldn't take down Zunisha or the minks so unless BM would need to send a power greater than that of Jack/ the bomb. And for the record Jack needed the gas to beat the minks and Jack needed Zunisha to be passive to beat her, so a commanders strength alone is not enough to take out Zou let alone Zou and the SH's and Law and some Wano Samurai. BM would need to send off the bat; all 3 commanders since as I say below 2 commanders get taken out and a bunch of her sub crews as long as they're stronger than the enraged army which was having trouble with an exhausted beaten Luffy.

The last part was an in general statement. As for Judge's threatening of Zeff, that only came about because Sanji was there, they wouldn't have been able to hold it over him if he wasn't there in the first place. Sure BM gets to Zou because you say so. She would have got to Zou because of Pekoms but not now. So unless she has another mink she'll need to rely on your magic to get her to Zou quickly. Both routes are suicide eh? Because that's essentially what they're doing now Lffy's group is standing ground and Zoro's group is going to Wano. Also Luffy/Nami beat Cracker and Zunisha beat Jack that's 2 of the 3 sweet commanders out of the way, it's pretty clear they'd have had a better chance at fighting on Zou then as they are at WCI.
Enraged army having trouble with tired Luffy ? They toyed with him he only punched fodder. The people with abilities owned him.

Sanji receiving the Zeff threat on Whole Cake Island ? Wrong again, he already got it on Zou. That was when his expression changed from serious to concerned when the tongue guy whispered it in his ear. Pekoms explains it to the rest of the crew here:

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Do you see now ? Sanji already was out of choices on Zou.

Stop talking out of your neck mate. Jack is not even a sweet commander, you know nothing about their abilities. But here you go assuming that the SH's and an ancient elephant take care of 2 sweet commanders. If for whatever reason Nami isn't around to help Luffy fight Cracker, he would obliterate him.

Look at all the circumstances that had to be right in order for them to survive to this point, without Big Mom or Kaidou really gunning for them. This was just the first wave.

@Blaze, Do you really think a phone call to a old pirate chef would be enough to escape from the most notorious family of assassins in the world ? REALLY though ?!
 

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Well, that was an awesome chapter that had more plot twist, at least for me personally, than a Shyamalan marathon. Except they were quality twists. I had stated before that I thought Purin was a possible suspect towards the identity of Reiju's attacker, but I thought it was motivated by desperation or something, not that her entire personality had been a facade. I also didn't think we'd be up for a potential three-way war between Big Mom, the Germa 66, and SH. I'm expecting Reiju to ally with the Straw Hats, as she is the least hostile to Sanji and seems the most likely to opt for the "enemy of my enemy" philosophy.

I do like that, as others have said, that Sanji finally had to sleep in the bed he made. He's done jack this entire arc, and has earned his comeuppance for being such a tool. Again, as other have said, Nami is back in her habit of telling people to stop sacrificing limbs to continue fighting. She's locked in a book, nailed to the wall, and is told by the one person they trust that they got played like a fiddle- and she still is shocked by Luffy's willingness to keep fighting. Classic comedy.

But, yeah. Pedro is sweet, with a pretty high bounty; Tamago's badass, with an even higher one; Chopper and Carrot felt kind of tacked on; and Zepo is almost certainly related to Bepo. It was a good chapter.

Cheers, people. Have a merry christmas. Here's to hoping we still may get a chapter next week. I know it's unlikely, but it didn't say anything THIS chapter.
 

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He literally went with Pudding without a fuss for the sole sake of his crew's safety. The pictures are really pretty, but try to read the words too.


>There is literally pages of Sanji forcing himself to think positively about his marriage to Pudding
"Yeah but he's not forcing himself.


Sanji had no knowledge of his crew being on the verge of death. WE didn't know they were on the verge of death until the chapter that was released today, so how the **** would Sanji know that?
1) I would agree that he initially went to her for his crew's safety, but he is just not marrying her due to that. He finds (found rather) her attractive and she was his only ray of hope. He fell for this chick. Its pretty clear. He is not forcing himself.
3)Sanji didn't want to know about them, so implying that he cares but doesn't know logic doesn't work.
 

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Do you really think a phone call to a old pirate chef would be enough to escape from the most notorious family of assassins in the world ? REALLY though ?!
well Shs have lots of allies now.
Sanji just need to call few guys and they can basically give shelter and food to Zeff in their country(Dressrosa, Skypeia, Alabasta, Fishman Island etc) till the matter is solved wit BM and this will only happen IF BM is desperate about Vinsmokes Technology and Sanji is the only guy who can give it(but thats not the case).
She can obviouly hunt Judge and steal his research by force rather than finding a mystical Island(Zou) then a guy(Sanji) who entered another Yonko's territory(if he rejected Capone's proposal) or some guy who also vanished somewhere in East Blue.
 
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[COLOR="FF000"]son of a ***** XDXD

* Baron Tamago is a badass
* Enemy of the enemy is my friend?
* How the hell will Luffy defeat Charlotte Linlin
* The news across the world after the defeat of this Yonko
* This is going to be some long ass arc
* If they chose escaping, then how?
* Bege?
* Will Sanji run loose and kick ass like he used to before time skip[/COLOR]
simple, big mom will not be defeated this arc.
 
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