[Predictions] One Piece Manga Chapter 845 Discussion and 846 Predictions

[LBeezy]

Lola is elsewhere, plus I don't think that purin is one of the good guys. I think she's playing Sanji and Co.

Purin? Putting on an act? That's an assumption I thought about which I hope it won't be true.

I'm actually leaning heavily towards Pudding being an enemy by the end of this arc.

Just wait until that 3rd eye comes out!

 

[chopstickchakra]

How is this different than Zoro choosing to die before he accomplishes his dream and to end his journey prematurely to protect those he cares about against Kuma?

Or Luffy putting his life at risk at Marineford for Ace?

The SHs put their lives up to bet every time they have a conflict with another party, so it's not at all out of character. We even saw Sanji tell Zoro not to choose his dream over his life when Mihawk was about to kill him, so if anything, this is just a twisting of something Sanji's character used to be, and actually makes sense with what we know about him.

It's not that Sanji wants to give up, he feels as though he has no choice.

You answered your own question, those others were risking their lives while Sanji is doing the opposite. He's doing the same thing Robin did which he wouldn't accept himself so why flip and do it himself now? Sanji isn't risking his life for his dream he's backing out on his dream for his life(and Zeff and the SH's) All the other SH's would rather die then back out especially this deep into the journey.


And on a side note, can we stop calling her Purin. Her name is Pudding. Calling her Purin is like calling Luffy Ruffy.

 

[Mori Jin]

I'm actually leaning heavily towards Pudding being an enemy by the end of this arc.

Just wait until that 3rd eye comes out!

Yeah remember when she was talking to Luffy and Co about she spoke to Sanji about the wedding and stuff? Sanji was with his family and hasn't even been to the Island yet so how did she meet him? Plus she suddenly forgets to tell Sanji about going to the coast and that Luffy is on the Island? She up to something that's what I think.

 

[Love Cook]

You answered your own question, those others were risking their lives while Sanji is doing the opposite. He's doing the same thing Robin did which he wouldn't accept himself so why flip and do it himself now? Sanji isn't risking his life for his dream he's backing out on his dream for his life(and Zeff and the SH's) All the other SH's would rather die then back out especially this deep into the journey.


And on a side note, can we stop calling her Purin. Her name is Pudding. Calling her Purin is like calling Luffy Ruffy.

Makes no sense the way you're comparing these things.

You're talking like Sanji is doing this on his own accord, but he has no option. The choice of giving up his dream or dying while trying is very selfish when you know that your stubbornness will get your entire crew and your friends at the baratie killed. So Sanji giving up for now is what is keeping everybody alive.

That is exactly what Robin did by turning herself in. Or what Zoro and Sanji tried before when sacrificing before Kuma.

But somehow if Zoro sacrifices himself for the crew it's all good.

There is nothing to risk your life for at this point because he is up against a yonkou crew with explosives on his wrists and a gun against his mentors head.

 

[Punk Hazard]

You answered your own question, those others were risking their lives while Sanji is doing the opposite. He's doing the same thing Robin did which he wouldn't accept himself so why flip and do it himself now? Sanji isn't risking his life for his dream he's backing out on his dream for his life(and Zeff and the SH's) All the other SH's would rather die then back out especially this deep into the journey.


And on a side note, can we stop calling her Purin. Her name is Pudding. Calling her Purin is like calling Luffy Ruffy.

Sanji is giving up on fulfilling his dream in order to protect those he cares about, and you called it bullshit a SH would never do.

How is Zoro sacrificing his life before he completes his dream not Zoro giving up on fulfilling his dream in order to protect his loved ones?

Remember, you said a SH giving up the chance to fulfill their dream is bullshit. Be consistent now.

 

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Sanji is giving up on fulfilling his dream in order to protect those he cares about, and you called it bullshit a SH would never do.

How is Zoro sacrificing his life before he completes his dream not Zoro giving up on fulfilling his dream in order to protect his loved ones?

Remember, you said a SH giving up the chance to fulfill their dream is bullshit. Be consistent now.

I said Sanji giving up his dream and not his life was not a SH trait and it isn't, no other SH risked giving up their dream without also giving up their life. They'd rather die then fail at their goal and Sanji didn't convey that feeling with this decision. Sanji isn't giving up his actual life in this scenario so no matter how many times you want to bring it up it's not the same as Luffy or Zoro risking death.

And when did I call it bullshit? I don't see that word once in my post, you just can't help but add your own inferences into a discussion can you? Sanjis' motive's not bullshit but it's an uncharacteristic choice to be made by a SH this far into the game(Nami and Robin both made this same decision but that was early on in their time as a SH so it's more understandable)

Also I love how you two couldn't help but try to turn this into a Zoro thing. For as much as you talk about disliking him being compared to Sanji you all sure bring his name up a lot. Let it be shown the only ones who mentioned Zoro before this post were you two. If you want an accurate Zoro comparison it'd be someone telling him he can never pick up a sword again or see Luffy or they'd kill that girls family and blow off Zoro's hands and him saying ok let's go.

 

[LBeezy]

Yeah remember when she was talking to Luffy and Co about she spoke to Sanji about the wedding and stuff? Sanji was with his family and hasn't even been to the Island yet so how did she meet him? Plus she suddenly forgets to tell Sanji about going to the coast and that Luffy is on the Island? She up to something that's what I think.

I agree man! Plus Oda is purposely drawing that jello/gooy looking thing (with the hat on) with her alot. I feel like that's going to have some connection to Big Mam, or Purin herself. Either way, I feel like she's bad the more and more I think about it. Lol

 

[Bogard]

Not sure what Oda plans with Sanji but so far he looks like an ashole

 

[LBeezy]

Makes no sense the way you're comparing these things.

You're talking like Sanji is doing this on his own accord, but he has no option. The choice of giving up his dream or dying while trying is very selfish when you know that your stubbornness will get your entire crew and your friends at the baratie killed. So Sanji giving up for now is what is keeping everybody alive.

That is exactly what Robin did by turning herself in. Or what Zoro and Sanji tried before when sacrificing before Kuma.

But somehow if Zoro sacrifices himself for the crew it's all good.

There is nothing to risk your life for at this point because he is up against a yonkou crew with explosives on his wrists and a gun against his mentors head.

But Sanji's character is just being stupid at this point in the story.

Luffy has already started conflict with Big Mom himself and he was also currently in the process of going after another Yonko Kaido!

How does Sanji think he's "saving" them from any of this stuff that Luffy already has his mind set on doing?

The only person Sanji might be "saving" right now is Zeff.. but he wouldn't have even known about Zeff, if he acted in character like the StrawHat Sanji we all know and love from the beginning of this whole thing.

 

[Mori Jin]

I agree man! Plus Oda is purposely drawing that jello/gooy looking thing (with the hat on) with her alot. I feel like that's going to have some connection to Big Mam, or Purin herself. Either way, I feel like she's bad the more and more I think about it. Lol

Glad I'm not the only one who thinks so.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I said Sanji giving up his dream and not his life was not a SH trait and it isn't, no other SH risked giving up their dream without also giving up their life.

That's not what you said. You said, and I quote

giving up on his dream is some ***** shit and not in character for a SH.

It doesn't matter if Sanji is giving up his life while doing so or not. Strawhats have put Luffy and the rest of the crew before completing their dreams pretty much every single arc. Nothing about what Sanji did is new except for the fact that the current situation doesn't involve Sanji losing his life. Which, again doesn't matter. In fact, in the context of the One Piece world, what Sanji is just as noble as dying.

D: How come Luffy never kills his enemies? Throughout "One Piece" manga so far, he didn't kill Mohji and Helmeppo, but Axe-arm Morgan was killed by Zoro, why is that?

O: Hmm! That's a very good question. First, I have to announce that Morgan is still alive. He's currently in jail, where he was placed by his former subordinates. Why doesnt Luffy kill his enemies? Because in that era, everyone uses their lives to fight for their dreams. For an enemy, when their dream has been shattered, it is the same as losing a fight, and as painful as death. I believe, for a pirate not to kill an enemy, it's giving them a 2nd chance to fight for their dreams.

In the One Piece world, not being able to complete your dream is just as bad as dying, so this whole "But but but Sanji isn't dying" stuff is nonsense because he might as well be.

They'd rather die then fail at their goal and Sanji didn't convey that feeling with this decision. Sanji isn't giving up his actual life in this scenario so no matter how many times you want to bring it up it's not the same as Luffy or Zoro risking death.

It's not the same action, but it's the same principle: I won't be able to complete my goal but that's okay because it's for my crew.

Zoro and Luffy have put completing their dreams aside for the sake of their loved ones. It doesn't matter if you can't complete the dream cuz you're dead, or enslaved, or in prison, or handicapped, or put in a permanent coma; at the end of the day, you're sacrificing your ability to complete your dream. If the result is the same, then it doesn't matter if you get there because you died or because you were forced to give up your journey.

Choosing to die before you complete your dream is choosing to give up on your dream. Unless, of course, you think that Zoro thinks he can become the WSS in a coffin.

And when did I call it bullshit? I don't see that word once in my post, you just can't help but add your own inferences into a discussion can you?

I'ma need you to watch your mouth.

Sanjis' motive's not bullshit but it's an uncharacteristic choice to be made by a SH this far into the game(Nami and Robin both made this same decision but that was early on in their time as a SH so it's more understandable)

Not really. Any Strawhat, if forced to choose between their dream or the crew's lives, would pick the crew's lives without hesitation, even if the decision was being made right now.

Also I love how you two couldn't help but try to turn this into a Zoro thing.

So lemme get this straight. You say what Sanji is doing isn't consistent with what the Strawhat's are supposed to be, and then you go "Ohhh wooowwww look at you bringing a Strawhat into the conversation" because that Strawhat is Zoro? Don't you think YOU brought Zoro into the conversation by comparing Sanji's decision to every single Strawhat in the first place? This is a legitimate question, when you decided to compare Sanji to a group of people that included Zoro, it didn't once register in your brain that you were comparing him to Zoro while doing so? Cuz if so lmfao I can't with you

I also like that you ignored that I said EVERY STRAWHAT fits the bill. Stop looking for stuff to whine about, my guy.

For as much as you talk about disliking him being compared to Sanji you all sure bring his name up a lot. Let it be shown the only ones who mentioned Zoro before this post were you two.

Who gives a ****? Your very first post is a comparison of Sanji to the entire Strawhat crew, which includes Zoro, so what are you really crying about right now? Again, I ask, did you type that post comparing Sanji to the rest of the Strawhats and then hit "submit reply" expecting people NOT to use specific examples from specific Strawhats? Zoro and Luffy have the most prominent examples of Strawhats sacrificing their dream for the sake of a loved one, so yes, they're going to be used.

This isn't a "Zoro-Sanji" thing, this is a "Sanji-Strawhat" thing. YOU are the only one making this a "Zoro-Sanji" thing by choosing to get hurt and cry about the fact that Zoro's name was mentioned in a post THAT ALSO MENTIONS LUFFY AND THE REST OF THE CREW.

If you want an accurate Zoro comparison it'd be someone telling him he can never pick up a sword again or see Luffy or they'd kill that girls family and blow off Zoro's hands and him saying ok let's go.

I'm honestly not sure how to respond to this. All I get from this is that you somehow think that when Kuma said "You're going to die if you do this for Luffy," Zoro didn't realize that means he couldn't pick up a sword again.

Again, what does it matter if Zoro can't pick up a sword again cuz he's dead as opposed to captured or enslaved? The result is the same, so why you grasping at straws?

But Sanji's character is just being stupid at this point in the story.

Luffy has already started conflict with Big Mom himself and he was also currently in the process of going after another Yonko Kaido!

How does Sanji think he's "saving" them from any of this stuff that Luffy already has his mind set on doing?

The only person Sanji might be "saving" right now is Zeff.. but he wouldn't have even known about Zeff, if he acted in character like the StrawHat Sanji we all know and love from the beginning of this whole thing.

Or-OR-Sanji, like Zoro, might be thinking that the Strawhats handling both Kaido and Big Mom at the same time is too much. Then there's Zeff being in danger to add onto that. Plus there's the Germa 66 Kingdom, which Sanji probably can't imagine leaving his crew alone after they botch up his alliance with Big Mom.

Now, if Zoro is thinking "Let's abandon our crewmate because we can't handle two Yonko at the same time," why are y'all acting like Sanji has a couple screws loose and isn't acting like a Strawhat because he sacrifices himself to protect them?

Just because Luffy is suicidally naive to think they can just challenge two Yonko in stride doesn't mean the other crewmates think so, or that they could handle it, and doesn't mean that other Strawhats like Zoro and Sanji aren't regarding them as more than they can handle.

Y'all are really going off the deep end because Sanji "isn't being a Strawhat" in his decisions of handling a Yonko, but where were y'all when Zoro argued to abandon a crewmember for the same reason, which is even further from being Strawhat-like than sacrificing oneself? Y'all a backwards ass group of people.

 

[chopstickchakra]

That's not what you said. You said, and I quote
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So lemme get this straight. You say what Sanji is doing isn't consistent with what the Strawhat's are supposed to be, and then you go "Ohhh wooowwww look at you bringing a Strawhat into the conversation" because that Strawhat is Zoro? Don't you think YOU brought Zoro into the conversation by comparing Sanji's decision to every single Strawhat in the first place? This is a legitimate question, when you decided to compare Sanji to a group of people that included Zoro, it didn't once register in your brain that you were comparing him to Zoro while doing so? Cuz if so lmfao I can't with you

I also like that you ignored that I said EVERY STRAWHAT fits the bill. Stop looking for stuff to whine about, my guy.



Who gives a ****? Your very first post is a comparison of Sanji to the entire Strawhat crew, which includes Zoro, so what are you really crying about right now? Again, I ask, did you type that post comparing Sanji to the rest of the Strawhats and then hit "submit reply" expecting people NOT to use specific examples from specific Strawhats? Zoro and Luffy have the most prominent examples of Strawhats sacrificing their dream for the sake of a loved one, so yes, they're going to be used.

This isn't a "Zoro-Sanji" thing, this is a "Sanji-Strawhat" thing. YOU are the only one making this a "Zoro-Sanji" thing by choosing to get hurt and cry about the fact that Zoro's name was mentioned in a post THAT ALSO MENTIONS LUFFY AND THE REST OF THE CREW.



I'm honestly not sure how to respond to this. All I get from this is that you somehow think that when Kuma said "You're going to die if you do this for Luffy," Zoro didn't realize that means he couldn't pick up a sword again.

Again, what does it matter if Zoro can't pick up a sword again cuz he's dead as opposed to captured or enslaved? The result is the same, so why you grasping at straws?

I see the confusion, the censor *'s popped in when I said bi.tch shit, you also see 5 *'s not 4. Plus I don't think bullshit gets censored does it? No, it doesn't. So yeah, like I said, never called it bullshit.
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Oh - you want me to watch my mouth, how? Take my ****in eyeballs out, and turn em around?
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I left it open, just because Zoro's a member doesn't mean that's the one you have to choose. You could have picked Luffy, Nami, Robin or Usopp but your go to was Zoro because every time Sanji's mentioned slightly negative you all go on a defensive and start attacking Zoro as if we're championing his side. You can keep saying all the SH's would spare their crew all you want but after EL I don't think you'll find many who agree that it's characteristic of a SH to not trust Luffy to get them out of a bad situation, which is what Sanji is doing, by trying to spare his crew in the manner he is, he's not trusting his captain to get him out of the mess and that's why it's not the same as laying your life down to ensure your captain reaches his goal. Luffy outright told him I can't do it without you and he still is going forward with backing out on SH's say what you want I can't picture another SH dropping out of the crew, while keeping his life, knowing Luffy won't reach Raftel and the PK title.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Oh - you want me to watch my mouth, how? Take my ****in eyeballs out, and turn em around?

Hold a mirror when you talk to me so you can watch your mouth.

I left it open, just because Zoro's a member doesn't mean that's the one you have to choose.

That doesn't mean it's an issue when it's used. You're the only one who's making it an issue so you can have something to whine about.

You could have picked Luffy

Is that so?

Or Luffy putting his life at risk at Marineford for Ace?

Nami, Robin or Usopp

You think so, buddy?

The SHs put their lives up to bet every time they have a conflict with another party

but your go to was Zoro because every time Sanji's mentioned slightly negative you all go on a defensive and start attacking Zoro as if we're championing his side.

Where did I attack Zoro?

You can keep saying all the SH's would spare their crew all you want but after EL I don't think you'll find many who agree that it's characteristic of a SH to not trust Luffy to get them out of a bad situation

And yet Zoro didn't trust Luffy to be able to handle two Yonko on Zou, so what are you actually talking about?

which is what Sanji is doing, by trying to spare his crew in the manner he is, he's not trusting his captain to get him out of the mess and that's why it's not the same as laying your life down to ensure your captain reaches his goal.

The Strawhats lay down their lives to protect Luffy's life, not just his goal, dude. It doesn't matter how much faith they have in Luffy if his life is in danger right now, and this looks like the only way to save it.

 

[LBeezy]

Or-OR-Sanji, like Zoro, might be thinking that the Strawhats handling both Kaido and Big Mom at the same time is too much.

When has this stopped Luffy before?

Then there's Zeff being in danger to add onto that.

As I said in my previous post, Sanji wouldn't have known about Zeff if he didn't choose to leave in the first place.

Plus there's the Germa 66 Kingdom, which Sanji probably can't imagine leaving his crew alone after they botch up his alliance with Big Mom.

What?

Now, if Zoro is thinking "Let's aban

wait.. what? I didn't say anything about Zoro.. lol but continue..

don our crewmate because we can't handle two Yonko at the same time," why are y'all acting like Sanji has a couple screws loose and isn't acting like a Strawhat because he sacrifices himself to protect them?

I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with sacrificing oneself for the sake of your Nakama.

I'm saying that at this point in the story the intelligent character Sanji is supposed to be should know Luffy well enough by now.

What could possibly make him think that Luffy would just be like "oh Sanji left? Okay cool. No worries. Let's just continue on with our adventure. No one else can cook for shit though and I love food more than anything else in life.. but it's cool.. I don't really care if Sanji is in my crew or not.." ?!?!? Especially after he saw what happened with Nami and Robin and even Usopp (different circumstances, I know.. but still show Luffy's character and mind set.)

Plus Luffy ALREADY started beef with Big Mom on his own! He's already planning to take her on.. along with Kaido.. Luffy wants to be the Pirate King and will not sail under any other pirate (like the New World suggests)... so how is Sanji being so dumb right now? Like bro Luffy is not gonna leave you behind fam.. it's never gonna happen.. he, of all people, should know this is all I'm saying.

Just because Luffy is suicidally naive to think they can just challenge two Yonko in stride doesn't mean the other crewmates think so, or that they could handle it, and doesn't mean that other Strawhats like Zoro and Sanji aren't regarding them as more than they can handle.

When has this stopped Luffy tho? lol

Y'all are really going off the deep end because Sanji "isn't being a Strawhat" in his decisions of handling a Yonko, but where were y'all when Zoro argued to abandon a crewmember for the same reason, which is even further from being Strawhat-like than sacrificing oneself? Y'all a backwards ass group of people.

This last part had nothing to do with me bro. Sorry.

 

[Punk Hazard]

When has this stopped Luffy before?

Luffy isn't invincible. Blind faith will only kill the Strawhats.

As I said in my previous post, Sanji wouldn't have known about Zeff if he didn't choose to leave in the first place.

He still didn't have a choice. Sanji knew exactly why he had to leave. He even told Pekoms and Capone he wouldn't fight on Zou because it was already razed to the ground. If he said no and stayed, then that would bring Big Mom and the Vinsmokes, which would be terrible for Zou, and for the Strawhats there.

What?

Keep up fam. If Sanji told him no, that would bring Big Mom and Germa 66 after the Strawhats. Them, plus Kaido, is too much to handle all at once.

wait.. what? I didn't say anything about Zoro.. lol but continue..

I knew you didn't *****, I did. Tf?

I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with sacrificing oneself for the sake of your Nakama.

I'm saying that at this point in the story the intelligent character Sanji is supposed to be should know Luffy well enough by now.

What could possibly make him think that Luffy would just be like "oh Sanji left? Okay cool. No worries. Let's just continue on with our adventure. No one else can cook for shit though and I love food more than anything else in life.. but it's cool.. I don't really care if Sanji is in my crew or not.." ?!?!? Especially after he saw what happened with Nami and Robin and even Usopp (different circumstances, I know.. but still show Luffy's character and mind set.)

This still doesn't change the fact that Sanji needed to make a decision right then and there, and staying put would have been the worse decision because he had no idea when Luffy and the others would have shown up. He simply couldn't afford to sit around on Zou and wait for Luffy's group to show up at whenever because he knew saying no would just bring those entities racing to Zou.

There's also the fact that at the time, Sanji and the others were in a completely shitty scenario with no choice:

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Plus Luffy ALREADY started beef with Big Mom on his own! He's already planning to take her on.. along with Kaido..

Just because Luffy WANTS to do it doesn't mean it's a good idea, and it's something Sanji didn't have to take into consideration. Luffy thinks that's okay because he's stupid. Sanji isn't, so of course he'd handle it differently than Luffy would. Sanji WAS ready to say no up until Capone started sucking down the other crewmembers, tied Sanji up, and pointed weapons at them all.

Luffy wants to be the Pirate King and will not sail under any other pirate (like the New World suggests)... so how is Sanji being so dumb right now? Like bro Luffy is not gonna leave you behind fam.. it's never gonna happen.. he, of all people, should know this is all I'm saying.

Who says he doesn't? That doesn't the fact that Sanji NEEDED to make a decision right then and there, without Luffy, and choosing to simply say no and staying behind was the WORSE option for various reasons.

 

[LBeezy]

Luffy isn't invincible. Blind faith will only kill the Strawhats.

They've survived this while time on "Blind faith".. must be doing something right..

He still didn't have a choice. Sanji knew exactly why he had to leave. He even told Pekoms and Capone he wouldn't fight on Zou because it was already razed to the ground. If he said no and stayed, then that would bring Big Mom and the Vinsmokes, which would be terrible for Zou, and for the Strawhats there.

He should've fought.

Look at how the Minks acted based on the Raizou incident. They dgaf about throwin hands for people they f*ck with..

I knew you didn't *****, I did. Tf?

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This still doesn't change the fact that Sanji needed to make a decision right then and there, and staying put would have been the worse decision because he had no idea when Luffy and the others would have shown up. He simply couldn't afford to sit around on Zou and wait for Luffy's group to show up at whenever because he knew saying no would just bring those entities racing to Zou.

There's also the fact that at the time, Sanji and the others were in a completely shitty scenario with no choice:

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The right decision would've been to fight.

Sanji should realize at this point in the story that the Strawhats are better off and stronger together than divided.

After the Robin incident especially, Sanji should know that leaving isn't the answer. And that Luffy will only fight whoever it is that is interfering.

Just because Luffy WANTS to do it doesn't mean it's a good idea, and it's something Sanji didn't have to take into consideration. Luffy thinks that's okay because he's stupid. Sanji isn't,

Sanji isn't normally stupid. That's what I don't get. because Sanji is being stupid af this arc so far..

so of course he'd handle it differently than Luffy would. Sanji WAS ready to say no up until Capone started sucking down the other crewmembers, tied Sanji up, and pointed weapons at them all.

I still say that Sanji and Chopper and Nami should've fought harder.

Who says he doesn't? That doesn't the fact that Sanji NEEDED to make a decision right then and there, without Luffy, and choosing to simply say no and staying behind was the WORSE option for various reasons.

This is your opinion. And I disagree.

 

[Love Cook]

Some dumb ass people in major denial here.

Luffy beat Doflamingo by the skin of his teeth with an enormous amount of help, the same Doflamingo that crapped his pants by hearing a yonkou might be coming for him. Yet Sanji should've fought harder.

Look at all the people Sanji encountered before he even met Big Mom. He came across a supernova. Was transported while the Vinsmoke army was arriving. Got off board on Whole cake island. Makes it to the chateau past a big mom army and 3 sweet commanders, walks past Zeus and Prometheus and finally reaches Big Mom's throne.

All while Zeff's head, and the heads of all the strawhats are in the cross hairs of Big Mom assassins.

But yeah, the 'smart' solution was to deny the invitation and fight apparently because that would've led to an happy ending.

The strawhats are so out of their depth at this moment it's not even funny, made it even worse by splitting up and to mess with 2 yonkou. So let's be sensible and think for a moment, like Sanji is doing now. Obviously the plan will be getting in motion now that he and Pudding are on the same level.

But he never would've gotten that chance if he kicked Capone in the teeth.

 

[Skylar Knight]

Luffy fighting obese women and their crew since day one.


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[Punk Hazard]

Some dumb ass people in major denial here.

Luffy beat Doflamingo by the skin of his teeth with an enormous amount of help, the same Doflamingo that crapped his pants by hearing a yonkou might be coming for him. Yet Sanji should've fought harder.

Look at all the people Sanji encountered before he even met Big Mom. He came across a supernova. Was transported while the Vinsmoke army was arriving. Got off board on Whole cake island. Makes it to the chateau past a big mom army and 3 sweet commanders, walks past Zeus and Prometheus and finally reaches Big Mom's throne.

All while Zeff's head, and the heads of all the strawhats are in the cross hairs of Big Mom assassins.

But yeah, the 'smart' solution was to deny the invitation and fight apparently because that would've led to an happy ending.

The strawhats are so out of their depth at this moment it's not even funny, made it even worse by splitting up and to mess with 2 yonkou. So let's be sensible and think for a moment, like Sanji is doing now. Obviously the plan will be getting in motion now that he and Pudding are on the same level.

But he never would've gotten that chance if he kicked Capone in the teeth.

A lot of people here seem to forget that Luffy got by on blind luck for a long time. He threw himself into situations without thinking at all, and where did it eventually lead to? Kuma obliterating them. Shit, even that was luck, because it came from an ally. Imagine if they met Akainu on Sabaody instead, or if they made an enemy of Doflamingo at that time. You'd think at least one or two of them would realize, even if Luffy hasn't, that not everything moment of conflict can be greeted by fists.

It's especially surprising that people think Sanji, the tactician of the crew that told Usopp you gotta use your brain, not just your fists, at Water 7 would go "Two whole Yonko after we barely beat someone weaker than a Yonko? Yeah, I'ma just go in guns a-blazing."

 

[LBeezy]

Some dumb ass people in major denial here.

Lol

Luffy beat Doflamingo by the skin of his teeth with an enormous amount of help,

Doflamingo had an enormous amount of help as well.

the same Doflamingo that crapped his pants by hearing a yonkou might be coming for him.

This speaks great for Kaido and Luffy and poorly for Doflamingo.

Yet Sanji should've fought harder.

Yep.

Not just Sanji though.. Sanji, Nami, Chopper and Brook.

Look at all the people Sanji encountered before he even met Big Mom. He came across a supernova. Was transported while the Vinsmoke army was arriving. Got off board on Whole cake island. Makes it to the chateau past a big mom army and 3 sweet commanders, walks past Zeus and Prometheus and finally reaches Big Mom's throne.

All while Zeff's head, and the heads of all the strawhats are in the cross hairs of Big Mom assassins.

NONE of that would've happened if they were able to beat Capone on Zou tho..

But yeah, the 'smart' solution was to deny the invitation and fight apparently because that would've led to an happy ending.

Idk about a happy ending, but it would've been better.

The strawhats are so out of their depth at this moment it's not even funny, made it even worse by splitting up and to mess with 2 yonkou. So let's be sensible and think for a moment, like Sanji is doing now.

Sanji hasn't really been thinking sensible. That's my whole point. Sensible is knowing how Luffy is by this point. For as long as they've been sailing together, and all that they've been through, Sanji wasn't thinking sensibly AT ALL if he thought Luffy would just be okay with him leaving and keep sailing on ahead in search of the One Piece without him.. or if he thought Luffy wouldn't oppose Big Mom regardless, but especially if she's part of the reason why Sanji can't sail together with the SH's anymore. They went against the WG for Robin with a smaller crew and weaker abilities at that time. And WG > Big Mom.

Sanji wasn't thinking sensibly AT ALL. And apparently neither are you.