Literally who said Zoro wouldn't have the authority as Luffy if being captain?
No shit he can't do that since he's not a captain :|
Zoro could and I believe he is the first mate of SH's.
[Predictions] One Piece Manga Chapter 823 Discussion and 824 Predictions
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No shit he can't do that since he's not a captain :|
Zoro could and I believe he is the first mate of SH's.
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Oh my God yeah since arguments were terrible on why Zoro can't be and isn't first mate...
I'm glad we cleared that up and proved why Zoro could be and I personally believe is the first mate.Since literally all what Luffy is doing Zoro can indeed do the same if needed.
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You weren't even responding to my arguments in that last post, nor this one. This is why I said stick to Premmy a whiles back
But what arguments? You argumented yourself with BS and now can't do anything anymore hence again...going on personal matter...you got yourself in a corner now...but hey keep going on personal matter...
Says Zoro can't be the FM...proves him he can...Premmy chat sucks xd that argument gotta be my fav now
I literally proved you how Zoro can do the same like Luffy and you are still denying it.Oh well not my fault you have some "I hate Zoro" illness and can't agree on most obvious things...
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Your argument for why Zoro is the first mate turned into if he were captain, people would obey his orders...
Well what is first mate if captain is not there? A captain :| Him as first mate now makes no difference to others since Luffy is with them anyways.
I'm not saying they would workship Zoro but would be the same with Luffy around..same things but Zoro would be the one doing final things.Zoro is not an idiot idk for what do you think about him but I can clearly see you have something against him.
There were talks here about roles on the ship few days ago...what's Zoro's role on the ship if not first mate? Answer me that.A drinker or sleeper? 'Cause swordman is not since that's his fighting style.
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But Zoro wouldn't become the sole leader if Luffy was gone. If Luffy were captured, the leaders would more than likely be both Zoro and Sanji, since the two would never just blindly follow the other. If Luffy dies or can't sail anymore, then no one would become the captain, the crew would stop sailing.
He has none, which is what caused this debate in the first place.
Idk why you talk about Sanji so much 'cause he is so irrelevant you are mentioning him just 'cause Zoro and Sanji are rivals.They are both in same crew.Sanji would listen to Zoro.Same how Zoro put sense into Luffy in Water 7,same he did to Sanji since he agreed idk what reason you still need since Zoro acted like a captain then...
Anyways...One Piece Zoro wiki - "...sometimes led others to believe he was the true captain of the crew..."
You clearly see something else and I can't bloody make sense in that...
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Been fun watching all of this unfold... But I never did see you touch on the subject of how Zoro made pretty defining decisions on his own without consulting Luffy, the captain, where other Strawhat members have... The example used was when he took hostage King Neptune and all his guards. I think it was Usopp that had a problem with it and Zoro completely dismissed what was said and took command. Unless I missed it Riker, you ignored this point which I feel is another strong defense of the authority Zoro himself thinks he has.
I personally consider Zoro as First Mate, but as you said, they're an unusual crew that bar Luffy doesn't have a defining hierarchy among themselves, but to the One Piece universe and to the readers, I think Oda has shown more than enough times for Zoro to be considered as being First Mate.
For example, if a conversation were to ever be held between a Strawhat crew member and another pirate crew member over who is First Mate, I fairly certain they might sigh but ultimately say it was Zoro... Even Sanji would, being the absolute gent that he is aha
I personally consider Zoro as First Mate, but as you said, they're an unusual crew that bar Luffy doesn't have a defining hierarchy among themselves, but to the One Piece universe and to the readers, I think Oda has shown more than enough times for Zoro to be considered as being First Mate.
For example, if a conversation were to ever be held between a Strawhat crew member and another pirate crew member over who is First Mate, I fairly certain they might sigh but ultimately say it was Zoro... Even Sanji would, being the absolute gent that he is aha
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Still waiting for an explanation for why Zoro is always to the right of Luffy when the M3 does something together.
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I've been mentioning several Strawhats for the entirety of this debate, not just Sanji. It continues to be about Sanji because you keep on participating in the argument about Sanji. Get out of my face.
The things I would like to say would get me banned, so I'll just leave it at this: Learn to read. I never said Sanji would never listen to Zoro, now did I?
Ah yes, the wiki, the thing written by people who have zero authority on canon. Stellar.
This isn't surprising.
Nice argument, forgot about this. Zoro passionately saying something to Luffy that motivated/influenced his actions.
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It's not like any other member have yelled at Luffy passionately, and it's not like Nami yelled about him screwing around, and thus influencing what he does next.
Missed this. And how is this unique to Zoro when Sanji has done the same thing countless times? If this defends Zoro being first mate, then someone can say Sanji is the first mate and bring up all the stuff he ran off to do on his own decisions, which I've listed more than a couple times here already. It's not a solid argument at all.
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He's not first mate, because the Strawhats don't have a ranking system.
Also, Does it matter in any way, since no one would listen to him even if he was first mate?
Also, Does it matter in any way, since no one would listen to him even if he was first mate?
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Bro in OPverse 2pirates(Barto and Urogue) confirmed he is firstmate/VC.
They agreed with him at Water 7(Ussop ahould apologise).
In zou half of them agreed not to mess wit BM.
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Okay, now for a fact check: Is Barto a member of the Strawhats? No. How about Urogue? Still no. What a surprise. Their opinions mean nothing. Hell, Barto said it was unnoficial, which means i get points for that comparason, and since it was after Urogue, i get more point. Current score, 5-nil to me.
And people agreeing with him is irrelevant, as they have also disagreed with him before, such as on Zou (Who care's about Sanji?). It certainly doesn't mean he has a specific role on the ship that is NEVER EVEN MENTIONED BY ANY MEMBER OF THE CREW.
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Their opinion matter. This is how pirates see SHcrew in OPverse. Its like sayin Kaido is not WSP because none of his crew said it.
Zoro sayin leave him alone because Sanji left the crew and went to BM. If SH interfere in big wedding thing then they will mess wit another Yonko which obviously they dont want right now.His opinion does matter here.
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Not how that works either. Kaido being the worlds strongest man and the precise rank he holds in the beast pirates are two completely different things. If none of the beast pirates acknowledged him as captain, he wouldn't be captain. Also he would kill the mutineers. Him being the worlds strongest man has nothing to do with his crew acknowledging him as such.
So? He had a justification. That doesn't change the fact that there are moments where the straw hats do not follow what he says without Luffy interceding. Therefore, not second in command.
I literally laughed on this panel arguments since that's literally not the same again.
Zoro literally threaten Luffy and crew that he will kick their ass if they fuk up again...others are just pure encourage things...ZORO IS KEEPING THEM IN LINE BRO...I honestly don't know what to say anymore since if that's not what first mate is supposed to do then you became so ignorant that's not even surprising...
You are literally so ignorant that's it's funny
Sanji or others never did what Zoro did and Zoro is consistently in these situations...and how many times did Zoro say if Luffy fuk up he will take the capetancy or something in those lines?The wiki thing...I'm just saying that even they see what I see and you just can't since you are blinded with Zoro hate...you consistenly deny whatever I say and post not even same things we are debating for...
Just how your panels makes sense is beyond me...and if that you are so stict doesn't ring a bell xd that panel literally showed what is first mate supposed to do and is keeping them in line to not fuk up...
Exactly.
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