[Predictions] One Piece Manga Chapter 823 Discussion and 824 Predictions

[Punk Hazard]

Did I say who was asshurt? You yourself assumed you were the asshurt one, you must be asshurt lmfao.

Who else has been speaking against the Zoro hype?

Riker is absolutely correct on the fact that nowhere in the manga does a single SH (especially Luffy) say that Zoro or any SH is the Vice Captain.. this is fact..

But I'm curious, is a Vice Captain the same exact thing as a First Mate??

Because Zoro is the first member to join the crew, making him First Mate 100%.. that is another fact that we can't deny as well..


It's a tough one to call, that's for sure..

First Mate is another term for the Vice Captain. The difference between saying "Zoro is the First Mate" and "Zoro is the first mate to join" is basically the same as the difference between "Michelle Obama is the First Lady," and "The first lady to ever date Barack was so and so."

You'd be correct in saying Zoro is the first mate meaning he's the first person to be in the crew, but not with the formal title of First Mate. It's a tricky thing to explain.

 

[Bogard]

Wrong. Sanji's the Strawhat I've actually been most critical and disapproving of.

Weren't you the one who said Sanji was your favourite character until you fell in love of Law?

What?

So now you have visual problems? I asked who was in charge when it came down to escape Big Mom pirates and lead the other half of the strawhats to Zou?

Arguments stand until refuted.

Kind of difficult to refute arguments coming from a wall

 

[Punk Hazard]

Weren't you the one who said Sanji was your favourite character until you fell in love of Law?

1. Someone being your favorite character doesn't mean you're a fanboy. Being a fanboy means you wank the character.

2. Prior to Law, Ace was my favorite character. Sanji was my favorite Strawhat up about until the end of Punk Hazard, at which point I had grown tired of his womanizer side. Luffy and Robin quickly rose to my favorite Strawhats from second place after I dug into Sanji's bad development.

So now you have visual problems? I asked who was in charge when it came down to escape Big Mom pirates and lead the other half of the strawhats to Zou?

I hadn't understood your question. Sanji was placed in charge not by Luffy, but by Nami, Chopper, and Brook.

 

[Bogard]

1. Someone being your favorite character doesn't mean you're a fanboy. Being a fanboy means you wank the character.

2. Prior to Law, Ace was my favorite character. Sanji was my favorite Strawhat up about until the end of Punk Hazard, at which point I had grown tired of his womanizer side. Luffy and Robin quickly rose to my favorite Strawhats from second place after I dug into Sanji's bad development.

Almost forgot you were a fan of Ace. Well wanking or not wanking comes from perspective. For example, i can say that you wank Sanji making you a Sanji fanboy. Another person can say that you wank Law, making you a Law fanboy

I hadn't understood your question. Sanji was placed in charge not by Luffy, but by Nami, Chopper, and Brook.

And why was he placed in charge? Because he was the strongest of course and thus most efficient person on board to be capable to protect his crew, Luffy's motto. A captain isn't only about role. Infact the major reason why captains are captains in one piece, is because they are the strongest on board because only the strongest are capable to protect their crew the most efficiently
Besides weren't Nami the one supposed to have the most authority and the closest to Rayleigh?
Or that it would never happen if Luffy wasn't there? Or that they would disband? Or some other shit?

 

[Punk Hazard]

It's actually because Nami, Chopper, and Brook are cowards and Sanji is in a completely different class than them. Had Zoro been there, there would have been no distinction between the two as leader from the others. They wouldn't go "Oh good thing Zoro is here. Plus there's Sanji," it'd be "Thank God Zoro and Sanji are here."

 

[Bogard]

It's actually because Nami, Chopper, and Brook are cowards and Sanji is in a completely different class than them. Had Zoro been there, there would have been no distinction between the two as leader from the others. They wouldn't go "Oh good thing Zoro is here. Plus there's Sanji," it'd be "Thank God Zoro and Sanji are here."

But weren't Nami supposed to be the Rayleigh of the crew? Weren't it supposed to be "no authority besides Luffy"? :hmm:
Or do you finally see how bullshit your arguments were the entire time? That strength plays a major role in the captain position? And that this entire time the only reason you refused to see this was because of this Zoro-Sanji thingy? Because everytime that the strawhats are together in this manga(outside Luffy), whether from the strawhat crew or from outsiders, the group is always named "Zoro and the others"

 

[Punk Hazard]

But weren't Nami supposed to be the Rayleigh of the crew?

I don't think Nami is Rayleigh. There IS NO Rayleigh in the Strawhats.

There is no Rayleigh of this generation, but Nami comes to closest of any of the SHs to being one. Closest=/=actually being.

Get the **** out of my face.

Weren't it supposed to be "no authority besides Luffy"? :hmm:

There isn't? Sanji called Luffy and asked if they had permission to fire back against Big Mom. He left it up to Luffy whether or not they run or fight, and Luffy said he could fight. Sanji led the charge because he's in a completely different level. Had Zoro been there, it would have been Sanji and Zoro leading the charge.

And that this entire time the only reason you refused to see this was because of this Zoro-Sanji thingy?

Had nothing to do with the Sanji-Zoro rivalry.

Because everytime that the strawhats are together in this manga(outside Luffy), whether from the strawhat crew or from outsiders, the group is always named "Zoro and the others"

Because Zoro is the one known most after Luffy. The papers are meant to portray pirates as villains who do nothing but engage in violence. Since Zoro contributes to the crew through violence, he gets a bigger spotlight than the likes of Sanji, who voluntarily does things behind the scenes, like the Arc Maxim and the Gates of Heaven.

The only members of the SHs who've had reputations prior to joining are Zoro, Robin, Brook, and Franky. Franky and Robin for knowledge reasons, Brook for an old pirate crew that never really made waves as far as we know, and Zoro for being a ruthless pirate hunter. Zoro's reputation was the most vicious, and being that the WG's job is to paint pirates as no-good thugs who are nothing but vicious and evil, it's no surprise that Zoro stands out, the person who contributes solely through extreme violence.

 

[Bogard]

Get the **** out of my face.

Sure sure

There is no Rayleigh of this generation, but Nami comes to closest of any of the SHs to being one.

There isn't? Sanji called Luffy and asked if they had permission to fire back against Big Mom. He left it up to Luffy whether or not they run or fight, and Luffy said he could fight. Sanji led the charge because he's in a completely different level. Had Zoro been there, it would have been Sanji and Zoro leading the charge.

Is that why Luffy says "Zoro and the others" even when Sanji is there?
Is it why Nami, Usopp say "Zoro's group" even when Sanji is there?
Is it why Usopp says "Zoro and the others" even when Sanji is there?
Is that why the Strawhat box is represented by Zoro even when Sanji is there?

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Or should i go on?

He asked permission to Luffy because he was still there. When it came down to lead the crew in Luffy's absense, Sanji is the one who did the job.
Did Zoro ask permission when he captured Neptune and the other fishmen in Ryugu palace, took charge of the entire thing in order for the strawhat to escape the island?

Because Zoro is the one known most after Zoro. The papers are meant to portray pirates as villains who do nothing but engage in violence. Since Zoro contributes to the crew through violence, he gets a bigger spotlight than the likes of Sanji, who voluntarily does things behind the scenes, like the Arc Maxim and the Gates of Heaven.

What does that have anything to do with Strawhat crewmates themselves calling the group "Zoro and the others" everytime Luffy isn't there? Another bullshit excuse?

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[Love Cook]

Sure sure

Kinemon for first mate confirmed according to latest chapter apparently. What a useful thing those little diagrams, didn't know you could use them for stuff like that.

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[Uzumaki Macho]

Sure sure


Is that why Luffy says "Zoro and the others" even when Sanji is there?
Is it why Nami, Usopp say "Zoro's group" even when Sanji is there?
Is it why Usopp says "Zoro and the others" even when Sanji is there?
Is that why the Strawhat box is represented by Zoro even when Sanji is there?

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Or should i go on?

He asked permission to Luffy because he was still there. When it came down to lead the crew in Luffy's absense, Sanji is the one who did the job.
Did Zoro ask permission when he captured Neptune and the other fishmen in Ryugu palace, took charge of the entire thing in order for the strawhat to escape the island?



What does that have anything to do with Strawhat crewmates themselves calling the group "Zoro and the others" everytime Luffy isn't there? Another bullshit excuse?

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Can't wait to see Riker's excuses for this. Zoro is also to the right of Luffy and Sanji is to the left of Luffy whenever the M3 does something together. Hmmm I wonder why that is...

 

[Bogard]

Kinemon for first mate confirmed according to latest chapter apparently. What a useful thing those little diagrams, didn't know you could use them for stuff like that.

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1- Kinemon isn't part of the crew
2- Kinemon is the samurai leader and the one who divided the group, that's why the group was named after him
3- Last time i checked, i never asked you anything, so next time stay out of this

 

[Love Cook]

1- Kinemon isn't part of the crew
2- Kinemon is the samurai leader and the one who divided the group, that's why the group was named after him
3- Last time i checked, i never asked you anything, so next time stay out of this

1 - Ah it's arbitrary when to use that, I guess you can only use it as an argument when Zoro is named first

2 - So ? According to you When Sanji led the charge against Big Mom and if Zoro was present, he still would have been named first.

3 - I see you like the North Korean style of debate to exclude people on public discussion forums. Pretty big sign of weakness if you can't put up some decent argumentation because you know your previous post is full of shit.

 

[Bogard]

It's not about excluding public discussions.
It's about excluding cancerous posters like yourself

 

[Love Cook]

It's not about excluding public discussions.
It's about excluding cancerous posters like yourself

Because I popped your stupid line of argumentation with one very recent manga page. ?

Also look at my join date, I'm not just any cancerous poster I'm more like a terminal illness. I'm not going anywhere. To call me cancerous is a bit preposterous because I'm one of the most well behaved and eloquent users in this section. So to try and put me in a corner by playing it on the person says more about you then it does about me.

 

[Bogard]

You popped nothing considering i already knew that page, just like i know a similar example with Bartolomeo.
I already expected this argument to be used even before i made that one but funnily enough not only it's only one part of the argument that you "think you countered" while ignoring the rest who is a combination of all of that, but i had already prepared my counters, except not against you but against a more respectable poster. The rest of your post is bullshit. Don't care about little things like join date

 

[Punk Hazard]

Kinemon for first mate confirmed according to latest chapter apparently. What a useful thing those little diagrams, didn't know you could use them for stuff like that.

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^^Pretty much dismantled it.

Can't wait to see Riker's excuses for this. Zoro is also to the right of Luffy and Sanji is to the left of Luffy whenever the M3 does something together. Hmmm I wonder why that is...

Zoro is standing in the front, Zoro for leader confirmed.

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Whoops, scratch that, Law standing at Luffy's right while Zoro is behind. Clearly Law is Luffy's right hand guy.

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Ughh goddammit, looks like Oda flip flopped AGAIN, now Chopper is the leader, standing at the center and shit.

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Nami for Luffy right hand man?

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Eyyy Nami back it again with the vice captainship

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Plot twist, it's actually Sanji

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[Bogard]

^^Pretty much dismantled it.

1- As mentioned Kinemon isn't part of the strawhat. Had he been a strawhat, you could have a point, but the fact that he isn't a strawhat means that he isn't under anyone's authority, so from that point in time alone, the group name can be arbitrarily, and considering Kinemon is the one who divided the group, it makes sense that he was the one chosen. Notice however that all the parties representatives were shown(Zoro, Law, Kinemon)
2- What does this illustrative pictures have anything to do with dialogues? You didn't counter the fact that strawhat themselves call the group "Zoro and the rest" when Luffy isn't there:

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Why is that?

 

[Punk Hazard]

1- As mentioned Kinemon isn't part of the strawhat. Had he been a strawhat, you could have a point, but the fact that he isn't a strawhat means that he isn't under anyone's authority, so from that point in time alone, the group name can be arbitrarily, and considering Kinemon is the one who divided the group, it makes sense that he was the one chosen. Notice however that all the parties representatives were shown(Zoro, Law, Kinemon)
2- What does this illustrative pictures have anything to do with dialogues? You didn't counter the fact that strawhat themselves call the group "Zoro and the rest" when Luffy isn't there:

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Why is that?

Don't really have a reason for why, nor do I find that "proof" that he's the first mate.

It's kinda sad that being called "Zoro and the rest" is considered more important than actually being called the first mate by the crew, or doing any of the things that first mates do.

 

[Bogard]

Don't really have a reason for why, nor do I find that "proof" that he's the first mate.

It's kinda sad that being called "Zoro and the rest" is considered more important than actually being called the first mate by the crew, or doing any of the things that first mates do.

Is it sad that Luffy do nothing like a captain despite being the captain? I don't care about the firstmate thing for now. The purpose of my reply is to show who the strawhats consider the highest authority when Luffy isn't there. And this "Zoro and the others" clearly shows that. It's actually kinda sad though that when you have no reply, you can't even admit you're wrong

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

^^Pretty much dismantled it.



Zoro is standing in the front, Zoro for leader confirmed.

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Whoops, scratch that, Law standing at Luffy's right while Zoro is behind. Clearly Law is Luffy's right hand guy.

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Ughh goddammit, looks like Oda flip flopped AGAIN, now Chopper is the leader, standing at the center and shit.

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Nami for Luffy right hand man?

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Eyyy Nami back it again with the vice captainship

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Plot twist, it's actually Sanji

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I was talking about panels actually in the manga you mong. But you're probably going to go searching for obscure and irrelevant panels to try and prove me wrong now.