[Predictions] One Piece Manga Chapter 823 Discussion and 824 Predictions

[Punk Hazard]

That's the not first time it happened since clearly Bartolomeo and Urogue said the same.So it's not just one time thing.

Oh you mean like the way people have said Luffy is a 8-meter all monster?

It's different.He's an ANIMAL with DF what could they else think he is? How could they know he is a medic xd Zoro is human so different reasons entirely.

Except it's not different. It shows that outsiders are ignorant and that can lead to them thinking things that just aren't true. Zoro being first mate could very well be one of these things. "Buh buh buh Zoro is hooman" so what? That doesn't mean their assumptions that he's first mate is any less subject to being wrong.

But it's not just Yonko they are scared off...they are literally scared of anything that's why I don't gave them so much credit for that since literally they are complaining about everyone...

Hence why there's also Robin.

 

[loj]

Oh you mean like the way people have said Luffy is a 8-meter all monster?


Except it's not different. It shows that outsiders are ignorant and that can lead to them thinking things that just aren't true. Zoro being first mate could very well be one of these things. "Buh buh buh Zoro is hooman" so what? That doesn't mean their assumptions that he's first mate is any less subject to being wrong.


Hence why there's also Robin.

Well that's people that are characters which are important to story not random fodders in the background talking shit xd

Again they would clearly put more things in consideration for Zoro than Chopper.

But I'm not talking about Robin here,it's Nami and Usopp what I'm talking about.

 

[Skull Knight]

I don't think Nami is Rayleigh. There IS NO Rayleigh in the Strawhats.

See yourself. U agreed with LC and said Nami fit for Rayleigh role

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No, you are forcing them into roles. Because the only essential things on a ship are a navigator, a doctor and a cook.

The rest are some helpful skills that you need every now and then.

Also it has been stated many times that the strawhats don't have any hierarchy. There is no second in command. The times Zoro said something useful that changed the course of action are limited, and only the moment in Water 7 comes to mind. Bombarding him to the Rayleigh of this generation is just silly. They have nothing in common except for a scar over their eyes. Where Rayleigh was actually a strategic smart guy to help his captain, Zoro does nothing on the ship. If anything Nami resembles Rayleigh more that Zoro does.

It's a bit annoying that every now and then all these parallels show up and people are pushing Luffy in a Roger mold and trying to make him like some child of prophecy. Let's just enjoy the story that Luffy is his own man on his own adventure and not that he is destined to repeat history and become the exact same guy with the exact same vice captain. There is no fun in that at all.

Fully agreed.

U brought these argument

Actually, Nami does fit the Rayleigh role far more. On Roger's ship he was the "disciplinary figure" to Shanks and Buggy, appearing stern at times. Nami also fits this role, often "disciplining" Luffy and Usopp, and at times even Sanji and Zoro, like at the palace when she found out they gambled away the money.

Nami and Rayleigh also both like money, as Garp speculated he had a gambling debt. Nami has also taken command of the ship more than times than anyone else bar Luffy due to her role as navigator. Outside of battle, Zoro doesn't do anything.

And here are people in the OPVerse who thinks Luffy is an 8-meter tall monster

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I guess that's true too.

U are comparing 2 different things here:
1)Urogue and Barto's words are more like there personal opinion. They haven't read that Zoro is FM in SH crew(unless u show me scan regarding this).It is more like how pirates think in OPverse about SH hierarchy.
2)Next one is based on a newspaper report. Some fodder says he read "Luffy was 8ft tall" and in a way its not wrong. I mean if u were a reporter who saw few moments like this

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and have no idea that Luffy ate Gomu gomu no mi then u will also come to same conclusion that Luffy must be a giant.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Riker who do you think would become captain if Luffy died?

 

[Punk Hazard]

Riker who do you think would become captain if Luffy died?

No one.

See yourself. U agreed with LC and said Nami fit for Rayleigh role

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U brought these argument

There is no Rayleigh of this generation, but Nami comes to closest of any of the SHs to being one. Closest=/=actually being.

U are comparing 2 different things here:
1)Urogue and Barto's words are more like there personal opinion. They haven't read that Zoro is FM in SH crew(unless u show me scan regarding this).It is more like how pirates think in OPverse about SH hierarchy.

And their opinions are based on what? Barto himself said he followed the Strawhat adventure through the newspapers.

2)Next one is based on a newspaper report. Some fodder says he read "Luffy was 8ft tall" and in a way its not wrong. I mean if u were a reporter who saw few moments like this

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and have no idea that Luffy ate Gomu gomu no mi then u will also come to same conclusion that Luffy must be a giant.

That's not what he said. He said he HEARD Luffy was a 8-meter monster. And it doesn't matter WHY their information was incorrect, what matters is that it was period. Which shows that just because a character says so doesn't make it so, especially when they're as misinformed and have shown to not be credible like Urouge and Barto are.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

No one.


There is no Rayleigh of this generation, but Nami comes to closest of any of the SHs to being one. Closest=/=actually being.




And their opinions are based on what? Barto himself said he followed the Strawhat adventure through the newspapers.


That's not what he said. He said he HEARD Luffy was a 8-meter monster. And it doesn't matter WHY their information was incorrect, what matters is that it was period. Which shows that just because a character says so doesn't make it so, especially when they're as misinformed and have shown to not be credible like Urouge and Barto are.

Someone has to be the captain.

 

[Skull Knight]

There is no Rayleigh of this generation, but Nami comes to closest of any of the SHs to being one. Closest=/=actually being.

Yes there is and its Zoro

And their opinions are based on what?

There opinions are based on Marine reports/rumours published in Newspapers (maybe) like who fought whom? who got most bounty?who is strongest one? things like that. and they witnessed what Zoro was going to do at Sabody Arch Arc.

That's not what he said. He said he HEARD Luffy was a 8-meter monster. And it doesn't matter WHY their information was incorrect, what matters is that it was period. Which shows that just because a character says so doesn't make it so, especially when they're as misinformed and have shown to not be credible like Urouge and Barto are.

U are comparing a background character words wit somebody who is Supernova and somebody who is part of SH fleet.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Someone has to be the captain.

Nope, the adventure ends.

Yes there is and its Zoro

Great argument.

There opinions are based on Marine reports/rumours published in Newspapers (maybe) like who fought whom? who got most bounty?who is strongest one? things like that. and they witnessed what Zoro was going to do at Sabody Arch Arc.

Right. These things also lead to shit like "Chopper is the pet, Sogeking is the sniper(rather than Usopp), Luffy is a 8 meter tall monster," etc.

U are comparing a background character words wit somebody who is Supernova and somebody who is part of SH fleet.

When the sources are the same, it doesn't matter who's saying the information.

 

[Skull Knight]

Nope, the adventure ends.

it didn't end for WB pirates :bdpf:

 

[Punk Hazard]

it didn't end for WB pirates :bdpf:

Oh because the SHs are the WB pirates?

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Nope, the adventure ends.


Great argument.





Right. These things also lead to shit like "Chopper is the pet, Sogeking is the sniper(rather than Usopp), Luffy is a 8 meter tall monster," etc.


When the sources are the same, it doesn't matter who's saying the information.

Assume that they don't disband.

 

[Skull Knight]

Oh because the SHs are the WB pirates?

did u forgot Marco and Co. fought BB. so how did there adventure ended wit WB?

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[Punk Hazard]

did u forgot Marco and Co. fought BB. so how did there adventure ended wit WB?

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My question stands: The SHs are the WB pirates now? Just because they did something, the SH pirates will too?

Assume that they don't disband.

Would never happen.

 

[Skull Knight]

My question stands: The SHs are the WB pirates now? Just because they did something, the SH pirates will too

well that depends on the situation.

These things also lead to shit like "Chopper is the pet, Sogeking is the sniper(rather than Usopp), Luffy is a 8 meter tall monster," etc.


When the sources are the same, it doesn't matter who's saying the information.

Only thing that is wrong in SH profile is "Chopper is the pet of SH".
other things are more or less correct wit little exaggeration.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

My question stands: The SHs are the WB pirates now? Just because they did something, the SH pirates will too?

Would never happen.

Since you are being so nitpicky, I'll just pick a new scenario. Who would become the temporary captain if Luffy was captured and sent to Impel Down and the SHs plan to try to rescue him?

 

[Punk Hazard]

Since you are being so nitpicky, I'll just pick a new scenario. Who would become the temporary captain if Luffy was captured and sent to Impel Down and the SHs plan to try to rescue him?

Plan? If they were making a plan, it'd be Sanji, Robin, and Nami. Usopp too probably. If they were gonna approach it as normal, they'd just charge in gung ho like Enies Lobby.

 

[LBeezy]

I'm literally hoping that people are just joking and being sarcastic or just trying to argue for no reason with all the "Nami is closer to Rayleigh than Zoro is" posts.. that's absolutely ridiculous and as absurd as can be. I mean come on.... lol

 

[Punk Hazard]

I'm literally hoping that people are just joking and being sarcastic or just trying to argue for no reason with all the "Nami is closer to Rayleigh than Zoro is" posts.. that's absolutely ridiculous and as absurd as can be. I mean come on.... lol

When it comes to role, actions, and personality, yeah. The only real similarities between Zoro and Rayleigh is that they both have scars, they're swordsmen, and they drink. By this logic, Zoro is also this generations Shanks since they both are swordsman, have scars over the same eye no less, and both love to drink. Hell, they even have strikingly colored hair that gets pointed out. This is how dumb these "This guy is the that guy of this generation" shit is. They're not, they're just their own people having their own adventure as Love Cook said. You'd think with all the times Oda has explicitly pointed out parallels between Luffy and Roger, that if he was trying to do the same with Zoro and Ray, there'd be at least one explicit indication of that too.

 

[A v i]

I never understood this whole Nami is the closest to being the VC of SH's argument. It's nothing more than a fallacious belief spread by those ignorant people who couldn't stand the point of Zoro shining better than others after Luffy. The title of VC is marked responsibility not authority. A vice captain is someone who bears highest the burden of protecting crew after the captain. And it's clear as day, the one who Oda choose to protect the crew in Luffy's absence is Zoro which was proved at TB. Being a VC doesn't mean Zoro holds some kind of authority over the rest of the crew or that he's above everyone else bar Luffy. It simply means he shoulders more responsibility than the rest of the crew bar Luffy. How does Luffy contribute the crew as it's captain? He simply takes on the biggest obstacles and protects the crew with his strength and Zoro is the next on the line.


Lmao@Zoro not being Rayleigh's parallel, I can't believe how delusional these guys can get. :yeah:

 

[LBeezy]

When it comes to role, actions, and personality, yeah. The only real similarities between Zoro and Rayleigh is that they both have scars, they're swordsmen, and they drink. By this logic, Zoro is also this generations Shanks since they both are swordsman, have scars over the same eye no less, and both love to drink. Hell, they even have strikingly colored hair that gets pointed out. This is how dumb these "This guy is the that guy of this generation" shit is. They're not, they're just their own people having their own adventure as Love Cook said. You'd think with all the times Oda has explicitly pointed out parallels between Luffy and Roger, that if he was trying to do the same with Zoro and Ray, there'd be at least one explicit indication of that too.

I agree with bold.. but even so, it's not our fault that they DO have similarities.. and most importantly, the Pirate in OPverse who finds One-piece and becomes the Pirate King is going to be compared to Gol D Roger by many people in the world.. no matter what... at that moment there will only have been two PK's, so it's obvious people will compare the two.. now, it just so happens, that there are in fact A LOT OF similarities between Luffy and Roger.. I'm not saying that Luffy is "their generations Gol D Roger" but if Luffy becomes the next PK, then it's fact to say that Luffy is "their generations PK".. I know it sounds like the same thing, but it's actually completely different.. lol

I'm also not saying that Zoro is "their generations Rayleigh"... but I am saying that him and Rayleigh do have many similarities.. and that makes a perfect connection to Luffy being very similar to Roger.. and the main thing I'm saying is that for anyone to think that Nami (or any other SH for that matter) is more similar to Rayleigh than Zoro, is a ridiculous thing to say. And I would wonder if those who think that, actually read OP seriously or not.. just being honest..

(Just to clear it up one more time, this is ALL mostly talking about if Luffy does in fact become Pirate King though. Because tbh if let's say hypothetically the SH's were to be annihilated by Kaido within the next 100 chapters, then yes, even though Zoro and Rayleigh do have plenty of things in common, it wouldn't be THAT GOOD of a comparison.. because obviously, what really brings it all together with the whole Zoro/Rayleigh thing is if Luffy becomes PK.)