[Predictions] One Piece Manga Chapter 818 Discussion and 819 Predictions
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This chapter made you realize how important Robin is to the crew? Robin is the only one that can read ponoglyphs.
OT: This chapter was amazing unlike the previous chapter. I'm looking forward to what the samurai fodder may reveal about Gol D. Roger's past in the upcoming chapter.
This island, Zou, is not as bad as I thought is was...
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Ah, I've always loved those quick-pace chapters. This one was kinda funny too, especially that face that Luffy made. We learned so much this chapter and got more questions raised as well. My bet on the last road poneglyph is in the hands of the WG, specifically the Gorosei. Probably hiding it so no one can find Raftel.
With all this new information, what path will the SH's take? Sanji is most likely the immediate concern but Luffy just learned that his friends (Momo and company) are not only being targeted but Kaidou but they can't return to Wano either. Not with the Beast waiting there for them with a Shogun who killed Momo's dad. That's not the kind of thing that Luffy can sit idly by. I'm really hoping the SH's don't split up again but it's looking probable at this point. Lord Oden sounds cool as well: can read/write poneglyphs, saved his Momo and then from Kaidou and sailed with Roger. I wonder if he was an actual crew member or someone who just help them sail to Raftel.
With all this new information, what path will the SH's take? Sanji is most likely the immediate concern but Luffy just learned that his friends (Momo and company) are not only being targeted but Kaidou but they can't return to Wano either. Not with the Beast waiting there for them with a Shogun who killed Momo's dad. That's not the kind of thing that Luffy can sit idly by. I'm really hoping the SH's don't split up again but it's looking probable at this point. Lord Oden sounds cool as well: can read/write poneglyphs, saved his Momo and then from Kaidou and sailed with Roger. I wonder if he was an actual crew member or someone who just help them sail to Raftel.
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Oda just blew a giant load of info all over us. This probably has more content than the whole dressrosa arc. It's amazing how all the build up from fishman island, punk hazrd and dressrosa all came together in this chapter. It almost made me forget that Sanji might not come back and the importance of the Vinsmoke family to Big Mom.
There was the reveal of the poneglyphs that give the location of raftel, the people that carved out the poneglyphs, and who has possession of the other ones, why Jack came to Zou, why Doflamingo probably captured Momonosuke, how Gol Roger got to Raftel and so much freaking more.
There was the reveal of the poneglyphs that give the location of raftel, the people that carved out the poneglyphs, and who has possession of the other ones, why Jack came to Zou, why Doflamingo probably captured Momonosuke, how Gol Roger got to Raftel and so much freaking more.
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GUYS! THIS IS PROOF! You need 4 Road Poneglyphs to find Raftel. 4! In a 2 dimensional plane you only require 3 points to pinpoint a location, so the 4th is an excess. What it means is that Raftel, as many of us theorized, is either a Sky Island or, most likely an Undersea Island, located underneath the Reverse Mountain. This is speculation, of course, but the only reason you'd need a 4th point is because you're pinpointing a location in a 3 dimensional expanse.
EDIT: Nvm... I figured out my mistake.
EDIT: Nvm... I figured out my mistake.
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Strawhat are so lucky they went straight to punk hazard first or they wouldn't be here now lol.
Good chap loved luffy's reactions lol. And law standing there like he's a strawhat but I bet him getting this info will backfire on the alliance
Good chap loved luffy's reactions lol. And law standing there like he's a strawhat but I bet him getting this info will backfire on the alliance
Dude, between Fishman Island and the present there's only a few weeks of difference. Are you now seriously implying someone can cross the entire Grand Line, go past the Red Line into the New World all the way to Wano during that short time frame? Not to mention the Strawhats met Momo and Kinemon on Punk Hazard a few days tops after they left Fishman Island and at that point Momo's party had been separated for a while now and by extension his father executed. So explain to me how Udon went from Reverse Mountain to Wano, got himself executed, have his son and his allies flee Wano, have their party separate several times to end up on Punk Hazard sometime before the Strawhats arrived there =/
That is not just a cover page, that is a cover story and those are 100% canon.
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I'm trying to understand how Oda is gonna work it out. I mean for Luffy to defeat Kaidou.
Haki
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Even if they are all mixed together in one blow, it's not gonna take Kaidou down.
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Even if they are all mixed together in one blow, it's not gonna take Kaidou down.
AMAZING chapter.
Call me crazy but thinking about those theory's that raftel is in reverse mountain... i came to conclusion with this chapter that it's true:
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I still think that those 4 dots are East/west/north/south seas and under all blue there is raftel. Hell they even need to meet with Laboon..
Call me crazy but thinking about those theory's that raftel is in reverse mountain... i came to conclusion with this chapter that it's true:
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I still think that those 4 dots are East/west/north/south seas and under all blue there is raftel. Hell they even need to meet with Laboon..
There's always the possibility of another time skip. I mean no one's gonna get close to Raftel without Robin so as long as she's safe a time-skip could happen again, other than that I can't quite see Luffy defeat a Yonkou at this stage. He barely defeated Dofla and Dofla is nothing compared to the Yonkou.
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It's very understandable to get another time-skip where the StrawHats train to get stronger. Looking at their current status. Even Franky is as weak as Nami, Usopp and Chopper in the eyes of Kaidou's underlings.
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Best chapter in a while. Now this is some serious plot progression. The Nico Robin fanboy in me is enough to give this a 5/5, so I'm gonna give it a 6/5.
To be honest I rarely can take the post I reply on seriously. So if that would be a reason not to reply, I wouldn't be able to post much. Also they still can be useful for other people. Threads like these are after all not meant for discussions between only two people.
I think you are focusing too much on the technical aspect of the fight. The reality is that if there's a final showdown between Luffy and Kaidou, it's really not going to be a fight based around who has the best techs or moves. If you want to compare it, we're talking about a fight that belongs more or less in the same category as Akainu vs Aokiji. They fought for 10 days. If you fight that long, it's not the amount of techs or abilities you use that gave the upper hand, but the one who aimed for victory the strongest. This is the kind of fight Luffy vs Kaidou would be and to be honest that's how most of Luffy's fights always have been.
You are trying to turn the fight between Kaidou and Luffy into some kind of rational mathematical formula: that + that + that = victory, but that's really not how it's going to go down nor was it ever like that for Luffy. Luffy didn't beat people like Arlong, Crocodile or Lucci because he was calculating which moves he should use. Crocodile left Luffy for dead twice despite everything Luffy tried. In the end Luffy beat Crocodile by...well just beating him. When he knocked down Crocodile, he was down. When Crocodile knocked down Luffy, he stood up. That's difference. It's as simple as it is incomprehensible. It weren't Luffy's Gears that eventually beat Lucci as he used them repetitively, it was his resolve to stand up every time he got knocked down. When he finally knocked down Lucci, Lucci was KOed. Luffy however was very will conscious, but his body didn't even listen anymore. It weren't the Gears itself that caused his victory, but his resolve to keep pushing himself.
This is the kind of fight he would have with Kaidou, only far worse. Simply said it would be an irrational fight, while you are trying form some kind of logical reasoning as to how you could beat a Yonkou. If something like that worked, these people wouldn't be Yonkou.
Highly questionable. It's kinda redundant to make four highly important poneglyph with a secret map on it when that map is in fact the most known map in the world. I mean the four Blue seas cover around 80% of the entire world and making a cross between them on Reverse Mountain is the basic of the basic. Every ship that ever ventured into the Grand Line has that map. Assuming the four poneglyph would refer to locations in the four seas, it would likely be highly specific locations and thus the four of them could point towards multiple locations.
And to be honest the idea that Raftel is in Reverse Mountain is on itself by definition doubtful. Somehow Roger was able to make Raftel appear or something in the only place in the world were ships of all the four seas come together to enter the Grand Line. It would quite the joke too. The Pirate King became the Pirate King because he found an island that's located a handful of kilometers from his hometown. You really need a lot more than just having four superficial locations creating a cross to determine that Raftel is inside Reverse Mountain. Essentially what you say comes down that because Reverse Mountain is in fact cross-shaped, Raftel must be there because it's at the center of a cross.
Nope, there really isn't going to be another time skip and I've said this before. For us it might have been years, but within the story the time skip is still quite recently. The Strawhats didn't train two years ferociously just to beat the likes of DD, CC or Hody Jones. They trained for the New World. Oda might skip a few days, weeks, maybe even months, but that's not a time skip. He pretty much does that always when they travel from one island to another.
Yes the Strawhats will have to become stronger, but they will become stronger just like they did pre-time skip. They didn't need any time skips to beat the powerhouses pre-time skip, so why would they need another one when they just had one? This was the point of those two years. Somehow they will become stronger through the story without time skips. That's how it always has been.
This chapter feeds my suspicion that Oda might deal with these two yonkou in one super arc. Look at how this all is set up:
Fishman island: Big mom was name dropped, at the end of the arc Luffy starts a conflict. Sends bomb to tea party
Punk Hazard: Kaidou comes into play, he trades with Doflamingo for Smiles, Luffy ruins the smile production.
Dressrosa: Doflamingo is beaten and Kaidou is mad, Kaidou is on the move
Zou: Sanji is taken to the tea party and momo's link to Kaidou on wano is revealed. Both also got a route poneglyph.
Events are happening almost parallel and Luffy now is at a cross road. Even his crew stated that fighting 2 yonkou at the same time is madness.
So I think after dealing with story about Vinsmoke and Shogun's and building up tension I think one of the two yonkou will be in persuit (maybe even as an ally (Big mom lola connection or wedding aftermath)) And invade the waters of the other yonkou who will clash in a super battle where the SH's get stuck in the middle. Luffy might be annoying to them but I think a rival yonkou getting close is higher up the priority list when that will happen. We also know Kaidou already stopped Shanks right before the war, so he doesn't mind the confrontation.
And another reason is time, I can't see Oda giving both a year long arc anymore at this point in the story when we still have Blackbeard, Shanks, WG, revolutionaries and just progression towards the end.
So let's hope for a yonkou clash and a new massive war, this is a good way for Oda to upscale events before Luffy becoming a yonkou himself.
Fishman island: Big mom was name dropped, at the end of the arc Luffy starts a conflict. Sends bomb to tea party
Punk Hazard: Kaidou comes into play, he trades with Doflamingo for Smiles, Luffy ruins the smile production.
Dressrosa: Doflamingo is beaten and Kaidou is mad, Kaidou is on the move
Zou: Sanji is taken to the tea party and momo's link to Kaidou on wano is revealed. Both also got a route poneglyph.
Events are happening almost parallel and Luffy now is at a cross road. Even his crew stated that fighting 2 yonkou at the same time is madness.
So I think after dealing with story about Vinsmoke and Shogun's and building up tension I think one of the two yonkou will be in persuit (maybe even as an ally (Big mom lola connection or wedding aftermath)) And invade the waters of the other yonkou who will clash in a super battle where the SH's get stuck in the middle. Luffy might be annoying to them but I think a rival yonkou getting close is higher up the priority list when that will happen. We also know Kaidou already stopped Shanks right before the war, so he doesn't mind the confrontation.
And another reason is time, I can't see Oda giving both a year long arc anymore at this point in the story when we still have Blackbeard, Shanks, WG, revolutionaries and just progression towards the end.
So let's hope for a yonkou clash and a new massive war, this is a good way for Oda to upscale events before Luffy becoming a yonkou himself.
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I just saw a 1 star rating for this chapter..Did he/she even read the chapter??????
It is the best chapter so far............
so much info is bombed on us.
Best SH moments:
robin:-I have friends to save me. and all others blushing.........
luffy & ussopp's conversation
luffy's face is epic as hell..........
I think the last piece is with marco & co (or) any former crewmate of roger (or) Gorosei
can't wait for the next chapter
It is the best chapter so far............
so much info is bombed on us.
Best SH moments:
robin:-I have friends to save me. and all others blushing.........
luffy & ussopp's conversation
luffy's face is epic as hell..........
I think the last piece is with marco & co (or) any former crewmate of roger (or) Gorosei
can't wait for the next chapter
Totsuka No Tsurugi
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Well Dude.... correct me if am wrong.. but there has never been a fixed timeline in One Piece when it comes to travelling in the grand line.. none of us actually know how much time it takes to travel from grand line to the new world, could be a few days after all... Shanks travel all the way from the new world to marineford in just a few days
Now 1st thing first.. i never said for sure that the dude is Oden, i just said it could be him... heck it could be Rayleigh it could be another kozuki clan retainer,... but that Hat is definitely from Wano Kuni, you never know.. and we dont know when this meeting actually happen.. since its from the deck of the world i just assumed that it takes place during the straw hats rendezvous at sabaody archipelago
Its all just a guess...
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