[Predictions] One Piece Manga Chapter 784 Discussion and 785 Predictions

[Yubel]

I actually love gear 4th look, Luffy looks more like a threat now lol It'll seem more normal in the future to see a gear 4th size luffy to fight these bigger opponents than to see normal/gear2 size luffy fighting them.

when I saw that first retract and he punched doffy so hard I had to stop reading for a bit O_O that shit was insane, 5/5

Same, I love the new appearance. He looks beast as hell, when he did that King-Kong Gun I jumped out of my seat and ran around my room. I had to pause the chapter somewhere there too.

 

[YowYan]

I actually seem to like the design and how the technique works. 5/5 for me. I'm hoping the future battles will be more tactical though than just measuring strength. But that's not really Oda's thing

 

[Punk Hazard]

This was...interesting. It's clear that Oda made Gear 4's design with some humorous intentions in mind. I wish he didn't do, it could have looked a lot cooler, but hey, that's Oda's style. Another thing I don't like is "I had to do this to survive the animals." Makes it sound like Gear 4 is superior to Gear 2 and 3, a Gear hierarchy would suck, Super Saiyan illness all over again.

The effects and idea behind it is ingenious though. Glad Oda went a route that nobody expected or predicted, and he even discounted quite a few things people were saying, like Luffy can't stretch or inflate while coated in Koka, or that Gear 4 wouldn't incorporate Koka, or that DF abilities cancel while using Koka(still can't believe people were saying that.)


4/5 chapter for me.

I actually seem to like the design and how the technique works. 5/5 for me. I'm hoping the future battles will be more tactical though than just measuring strength. But that's not really Oda's thing

Law, Usopp, Nami, Robin and I'm sure many more will bring enough of that

 

[LUMOS ULTIMATUM]

Great Chapter! 4.5/5

Doffy is probably going to step up his game in the next chapter. I wonder what moves he still has in reserve.

 

[7Deadly Sin]

we just meet the new fat ass called Poundman lol

 

[YowYan]

This was...interesting. It's clear that Oda made Gear 4's design with some humorous intentions in mind. I wish he didn't do, it could have looked a lot cooler, but hey, that's Oda's style. Another thing I don't like is "I had to do this to survive the animals." Makes it sound like Gear 4 is superior to Gear 2 and 3, a Gear hierarchy would suck, Super Saiyan illness all over again.

The effects and idea behind it is ingenious though. Glad Oda went a route that nobody expected or predicted, and he even discounted quite a few things people were saying, like Luffy can't stretch or inflate while coated in Koka, or that Gear 4 wouldn't incorporate Koka, or that DF abilities cancel while using Koka(still can't believe people were saying that.)


4/5 chapter for me.



Law, Usopp, Nami, Robin and I'm sure many more will bring enough of that

I really hope so. But I have the feeling that the story will develop rapidly from here on. Which is a good thing

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Never forget why Oda gave Luffy his fruit:

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Ahaha, that is true. It must seem like a mystery when you consider all the other strong and cool abilities. The answer is simple. I have picked the most ridiculous ability. If the protagonist were the typical strong guy, I doubt I could continue on with this for long. No matter how serious the story gets, Luffy is there to stretch and inflate. He always give me a chance to fool around. That's the kind of manga I wanted to write.

 

[WhistleBlower]

My live reaction:

- People running from the birdcage destruction blah blah
- hmm wonder what zoro is upto with kinnemon and kanjourou
- wtf lol, luffy buffed up. Lol
- he looks like his on sage mode with his eyes and yeah he looked crazy.
- aww knew the dwarves will help law with his arm
- Luffy freaken rekt doflamingo!
- I give it 1 more chapter and he knocks him out
- Or last minute cp0 help doffy escape.

Overall thoughts:

- Wth that was sooo short
- But holy shit I didn't expect that as 4th gear . That was pretty cool.


Overall, i give it a 4/5 as the first few pages were dragged and the chapter was short.

 

[ultraChalk]

To the people saying it looks dumb, maybe that's just a first impression? I thought it looked really stupid at first because he went super body builder mode and his waist got really buff and bulky instead of thin and lean. But then by page 10 after enough close ups it started growing on me.

G4 really, really reminds me of Super Saiyan 4... And that's a good thing, given that its my favorite form! The marking around his eyes and the way his hair flows up is badass. Whoever the guys were that predicted it would be the return of Nightmare Luffy, tips of the hard to ya.

So from what I can deduct, he has been training to use Geppo, and can now fly. Awesome. Then his striking speed increase 3-4 fold about, not only in his fist but his feet as well. Loved it. And I remember, ages ago making a thread on T-Bones square cutting technique and how Luffy should learn to utilize that technique! Maybe he wasn't the inspiration for that, but nevertheless I was hyped to see my vision actually happen in the manga! The attacks look much awesomer when they cut corners like that.

And lastly, the themes with Gears. G2 is obviously making a sniper out of his body, G3... I would assume is utilizing his body like a cannon, given that he has defined his G3 shapes a lot more since the skip, to where they look like huge orbs, or cannonballs. And now, it seem that he's combined the both of them so now he can fire a cannonball at the speed of a sniper shot!

Gear 4 is 10/10, love it

 

[Hexuze]

The first punch reminded me of bellamy haha
But seriously wtf , it is devastating o.o

Yeah I thought that too, even when he was flying towards Doflamingo after the first attack, it reminded me of bellamy as well.
Ikr

OT: 5/5 chapter, I'm impressed with the strength of gear fourth, the design looks like a mix between a sumo wrestler and nightmare luffy. I never expected it to launch Doffy that far & gear 4th is brilliant. The design looks pretty good with the flame markings at the end but I really want to see this in ***********. T__T Amazing chapter and Zoro is going to cut bird cage after all...

Edit: *********** IS OUT!!!!

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[Kamui Sama]

That was awesome, Oda always manages to add his own wacky flair into things XD

The clear homage to nightmare luffy is great, he looks a lot like a gorilla too. Also, his kong gun is really similar to Bellamy's spring death knock

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4.5/5 wish it was longer

 

[WhistleBlower]

If only Law saw Luffy deliver those blows, it would make me cry to see him smile :'(

 

[Kamui Sama]

wait so no break next week? "we are open all through golden week and we've got a special event for luffy's birthday"

 

[ultraChalk]

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Can't decide which one it reminds me more of. Probably SSJ4.
But why exactly do those marking comes around his eyes? Do they sink into their sockets? Protecting his eyes with haki lol?

And I really like the detail of Haki tattoos. Clever way of giving the design some 'just because' cool factors without being ridiculous. But now the question is, is that CoA covering his neck/back portion, or CoC energy?

 

[ArabianLuffy]

Oh well, he is powerful, but the way he looks is... blah ... He looks like Nightmare Luffy, even his eyes.

at least he's gonna *****slap Doffy like a Pimp.

 

[Parrish]

Every time Luffy gets something goofy, he gets something badass and vice versa.

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[ichirou]

I predict after this beating by Luffy, Doffy will have to get rid of birdcage to power him up one last time as a last resort and there would be a magnificent fight.

 

[ArabianLuffy]

So Luffy can do Geppo too?

 

[Caliburn]

I LOVE IT!!!

Luffy looks like he came straight from those Japanese paintings that portray demons, gods and the like that always look angry.

Blowing up your muscles instead of your bones, clever. For a moment there I thought he was transforming his arm into a canon

It indeed looks a bit like Bellamy's DF, though I wouldn't consider it completely the same. A spring is something that easily gets compressed and then stretches again when released. Rubber however isn't a spring, it's just flexibel, so Luffy had to use an enormous strength to compress his limbs like that, but the strength released by it is far higher. In fact it has more in common with Kaku's Kilimanjaro tech than Bellamy's DF IMO.

And it seems my analysis of what was needed to achieve Gear 4th, was correct v

The latter is not necessarily true. Gear 2nd and Gear 3rd are indeed 'Gears' because they are supportive techs unique to a rubberman. However the fact is that Gear 4th has been introduced post-time skip, so if the same standard to qualify something as a gear is applied, he could have gotten Gear 4th pre-time skip. What defines the difference the most between pre- and post-time skip Luffy, is his skill in using Haki.

So combining those two together IMO Gear 4th would be something that only can be done by a rubberman, however the usage of Haki is mandatory as otherwise it couldn't be done even if you're a rubberman. As said before I personally would find it quite contradictory for Luffy's Gear 4th to be something he could have done pre-time skip.

I find it funny that someone actually suggested Nightmare Luffy, which Gear 4th quite resembles. I find it even more funnier how that it seemed some people already reached a certain consensus about how Luffy would become small (how that was supposed to lead to increased strength and speed, is a mystery to me), but in the end he grew larger xd

Gear4 owned as expected. Not particularly fan of the design(too much Nightmare Luffy like) but i like the Monkey-related moves. And Luffy stole another move from Sanji. At this point i wonder what Sanji can do that Luffy can't

Sanji's ability is what CP9 and many other trained marines can use, so if you consider that Luffy stole it, then likewise Sanji stole it. Also I'm not sure if it's the exact same principle. Geppo works by kicking the air repeatedly at extreme high-speeds, while with Luffy I think it works by kicking the air only once each time, but simply with such force it blasts him away. So one is based on speed, the other on power.

 

[Bogard]

Sanji's ability is what CP9 and many other trained marines can use, so if you consider that Luffy stole it, then likewise Sanji stole it. Also I'm not sure if it's the exact same principle. Geppo works by kicking the air repeatedly at extreme high-speeds, while with Luffy I think it works by kicking the air only once each time, but simply with such force it blasts him away. So one is based on speed, the other on power.

I know geppou isn't Sanji's privilege. Not the point though

- Luffy is faster than Sanji
- Luffy is a better brawler than him(fighting with his entire body including his legs)
- Luffy has more physical power than him
- Luffy has better resilience than him(especially now with gear4 that block damages)
- Luffy has better haki than him
- Fire seemed to be a particular aspect Sanji could expand on, but Luffy can use fire too(with his red hawk attacks)
- Sanji's geppou-like move(for more mobility) made him more original among the crew(and mainly monster trio), but Luffy can use a variation of geppou too

Makes you wonder what exactly can Sanji do now that Luffy can't? At least featwise? He can even use soru(learning it by just seeing it in 2seconds), when the leg specialist of the crew apparently can't? Oda really needs to step up his game with Sanji