[Discussion] One Aspect Naruto >>> One Piece In

[Ōkami]

Only if it makes any sense. Pell surviving a huge bomb even though he himself was carrying it? No sense. Especially since Pell is a minor character, no real reason for him to survive there. It's unlikely he will play much role in the future, only in the background if he does. Pointless.
It's like if Deidara would have survived his 10 km blast with him as the epicentre.

Pell is a unique case mainly because we see him carry the bomb into the sky and see it explode.

Now a possible theory as to why he survives the explosion is that right before it exploded he dropped it while still flying upward.

Thus creating a good degree of distance between him and the explosion to not be fatal but still send him flying.

 

[kmrasengan]

Yeah I remember that. Like I said, you can't defy logic just beacuse you don't like killing off characters, atleast explain how someone survived.

I admit that Pell surviving was kinda BS, but Lucci and Kaku were saved by Blueno, he took them using his doors, so they must have had medical assistance quickly enough to survive. Magellan didn't need to kill Mr.2 to take him in, he just could've knocked him out.

 

[Olorin]

@alagon
oh my long lost friend,do you even know what it means logic when we talk about it in manga sense? It simply means that follow the set logic of your own verse you created in the manga. One piece is literally lost in that aspects,tbh. Oda killed only 2 important characters in the entire series,ace and wb,which btw in no way >>>>>>>any death in naruto as ace's death>=neji's and wb's death get soloed by so many other deaths you can't even imagine. Ace's death=useless in terms of luffy's overall development.

yes you are right they follow their own set of rules that they established for their universes but the difference is that Oda sticks to them while Kishi butchered them more and more frequently, at this point it is beyond obvious he has no idea what he wants to do and is just writing because he needs to finish it

 

[David1996]

yes you are right they follow their own set of rules that they established for their universes but the difference is that Oda sticks to them while Kishi butchered them more and more frequently, at this point it is beyond obvious he has no idea what he wants to do and is just writing because he needs to finish it

The war arc might be bad, but kishi knows what he is doing, just read yesterday's chapter.

 

[Hexuze]

Naruto is realistic? Yeah man summoning meteors with just your eyes is sooooooooooo realistic. Jk, I get what you're referring to but I disagree. Kishi over does deaths to the point where it's overdone/not-impactful and the only death I cared about is Jiraya BECAUSE HE WASN'T REVIVED BACK AND HE WAS WELL DEVELOPED.

What kind of author makes a power-up where you can revive the dead, that's just terrible writing and a bs way to please the fans. He knew that his series was going downhill (and still is). Naruto is awesome but shippuden is terrible.

 

[Lili-Chwan]

Well, you need to take different perspectives, read One Piece in layers. Most people that should have died but didn't, for the sake of children or the levity of the manga, don't really do much afterwards. It leaves the more adult readers to simply mourn them and believe them to be dead without much consequence. That's what I always do. If you look at it that way, their supposed sacrifices become much more mature and meaningful.

Sort of like a Nuzlocke challenge for your story interpretation.

 

[Olorin]

The war arc might be bad, but kishi knows what he is doing, just read yesterday's chapter.

Actually yesterday's chapter is undermined by both part 1 and part 2 of Naruto

 

[Tobi98]

More deaths don't make for a better story.

Oda does Quality over quantity for when death happens it strikes a cord within you.

Kishi however does quantity over quality and makes death more frequent and thus looses all meaning.

More deaths = More realistic

 

[Olorin]

More deaths = More realistic

Yea, except it's a manga, with both Naruto and One Piece realism is out the widow right off the bat

Yea devil fruits and jutsu ... That screams realism

 

[Hexuze]

The war arc might be bad, but kishi knows what he is doing, just read yesterday's chapter.

[video=youtube;2f49vCqX9zE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2f49vCqX9zE[/video]

He speaks the truth but I'll doubt you'll get through the whole video since you'll most likely be butt-hurt.

 

[-ahhimane-]

I agree with you.
It's not like I don't like One Piece. I cannot compare them since their stories are completely different from one another.

Pell should have been dead since he was willing to sacrifice himself for the kingdom. But he wasn't dead. I don't know why Oda kept him alive.
Wiper should have also be dead. His death might have brought something relevant to the Sky Island arc. but he was saved by the plot. I don't know the reason.

Apart from these fodders who were meant to die, there were characters like Ace, Whitebeard who deserved a respectful death which connected straight to the heart of the audience. It was because they were more close to the Main character Luffy. If the person has nothing related to Luffy, the person can even survive something big which already claims to kill anyone.

I don't know how OP readers denied that. I'm sure during those chapters (Pell's survival and Wiper's plotshield) they badmouthed oda.

 

[Love Cook]

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Oh look, it's the monstrosity trio. Finally together in one thread. And still in the One Piece section even after 2/3 said they dropped the series.

About the deaths in Naruto.

They are ten times worse, it's Kishi who can't say goodbye.

How many times has death been cheated on by now in Naruto, let's count an make a list. I probably can't remember all so please feel free to add to the list.

Gaara saved by that granny
Minato and Kushina conveniently infused chakra to visit their son
Everybody in Konoha after Pein
Every ninja who ever was able to throw a shuriken by Kabuto
Suddenly Orichimaru was able to revive people, even though they were sealed by the death god
The kages got slaughtered and torn in half but still made it.

So please don't fool yourself, what value does a death scene hold when they are still revived time after time after time. At least Oda keeps them alive because he writes with a plan. Everybody in One Piece plays a role in the story and you can bet your ass that most of those people will be back in the story in a relevant way. Kishi couldn't even keep the Konoha 11 relevant.

Only guy who really died in Naruto was Jiraiya, that was a good death. everything else was really meh.

One piece trumps even with the death of a ship.

 

[Mephew D Kensei]

Btwn Pell surving that bomb and Kishi awekening everyone bar Jiraiya who died in his story I prefer Pell surving(u all saw it in batman it was friggin autopilot) anyways with Pell I can always theorise him stumbling into CoA just as Coby stumbled into CoO. As far as wiper goea well him using it that many times when even once wld kill a normal human shows his guts and anyways he as far as the story is corncernrd is not normal.

 

[kmrasengan]

Oh look, it's the monstrosity trio. Finally together in one thread. And still in the One Piece section even after 2/3 said they dropped the series.

About the deaths in Naruto.

They are ten times worse, it's Kishi who can't say goodbye.

How many times has death been cheated on by now in Naruto, let's count an make a list. I probably can't remember all so please feel free to add to the list.

Gaara saved by that granny
Minato and Kushina conveniently infused chakra to visit their son
Everybody in Konoha after Pein
Every ninja who ever was able to throw a shuriken by Kabuto
Suddenly Orichimaru was able to revive people, even though they were sealed by the death god
The kages got slaughtered and torn in half but still made it.

So please don't fool yourself, what value does a death scene hold when they are still revived time after time after time. At least Oda keeps them alive because he writes with a plan. Everybody in One Piece plays a role in the story and you can bet your ass that most of those people will be back in the story in a relevant way. Kishi couldn't even keep the Konoha 11 relevant.

Only guy who really died in Naruto was Jiraiya, that was a good death. everything else was really meh.

One piece trumps even with the death of a ship.

Zabuza and Haku's death were also cool. But they then were revived by edo tensei,so yeah I get what you mean, Jiraya, if I remember correctly was the only one who died and never came back, and Neji's death, I just lol'd.

 

[SSS12]

Pell is a unique case mainly because we see him carry the bomb into the sky and see it explode.

Now a possible theory as to why he survives the explosion is that right before it exploded he dropped it while still flying upward.

Thus creating a good degree of distance between him and the explosion to not be fatal but still send him flying.

But if he dropped the bomb it would have caught the others in the blast. The only reason he carried it upwards was to get it away from the others since he couldn't carry it away a safe distance to drop it. The bomb was stated to be massive, it is impossible for him to get away and save the others.

 

[shon93]

The reason why Naruto can have more deaths than One Piece because there is the bullshit factor of Edo tensei. I rather Oda not kill characters or villians than bring people from the dead to start wars

My point is deaths in Naruto are pointless because they can come back to life. Meanwhile only on one or two occasion eg Pell have we thought someone should have stayed dead. But there is no Edo Tensei in OP. Thank God

 

[Hexuze]

Zabuza and Haku's death were also cool. But they then were revived by edo tensei,so yeah I get what you mean, Jiraya, if I remember correctly was the only one who died and never came back, and Neji's death, I just lol'd.

Yeah and that's why Jiraya's death is one of the best.

 

[Fireplay]

The deaths in OP actually impact the reader. Look at Neji's death lol. It's funny because Kishi has killed off plenty of characters and Oda hasn't then Oda kills Ace and that single death trumps any death in Naruto. Hell, the going merry's "death" (it's a ship lol) trumped any death in Naruto. Neji's death was just wrong. Kishi makes Neji completely irrelevant in part 2 then casually kills him off and expects it to have an impact...Lol.Although Pell's death i agree with.. That bullshit was pure BS. Dude should be dead.

The only death in Naruto that affected me in any way were Kakashi's and Jiraiya's. Then ofc Kishi had to go and revive Kakashi. Itachi's death was expected.

 

[YellowFang]

More deaths don't make for a better story.

Oda does Quality over quantity for when death happens it strikes a cord within you.

Kishi however does quantity over quality and makes death more frequent and thus looses all meaning.

Yep, that's true...
@OP:
Look at Ace's and WB's death, they weigh more than the deaths you mentioned in the OP [ex. Zabuza's]...

 

[SSS12]

I agree with you.
It's not like I don't like One Piece. I cannot compare them since their stories are completely different from one another.

Pell should have been dead since he was willing to sacrifice himself for the kingdom. But he wasn't dead. I don't know why Oda kept him alive.
Wiper should have also be dead. His death might have brought something relevant to the Sky Island arc. but he was saved by the plot. I don't know the reason.

Apart from these fodders who were meant to die, there were characters like Ace, Whitebeard who deserved a respectful death which connected straight to the heart of the audience. It was because they were more close to the Main character Luffy. If the person has nothing related to Luffy, the person can even survive something big which already claims to kill anyone.

I don't know how OP readers denied that. I'm sure during those chapters (Pell's survival and Wiper's plotshield) they badmouthed oda.

That's what I find weird. Characters like Pell (certainly) and Wiper (likely) will just be shown in glimpses from here on and don't have much role to play. Why save them? To not hurt the feelings of children. That sucks.

Oh look, it's the monstrosity trio. Finally together in one thread. And still in the One Piece section even after 2/3 said they dropped the series.

About the deaths in Naruto.

They are ten times worse, it's Kishi who can't say goodbye.

How many times has death been cheated on by now in Naruto, let's count an make a list. I probably can't remember all so please feel free to add to the list.

Gaara saved by that granny
Minato and Kushina conveniently infused chakra to visit their son
Everybody in Konoha after Pein
Every ninja who ever was able to throw a shuriken by Kabuto
Suddenly Orichimaru was able to revive people, even though they were sealed by the death god
The kages got slaughtered and torn in half but still made it.

So please don't fool yourself, what value does a death scene hold when they are still revived time after time after time. At least Oda keeps them alive because he writes with a plan. Everybody in One Piece plays a role in the story and you can bet your ass that most of those people will be back in the story in a relevant way. Kishi couldn't even keep the Konoha 11 relevant.

Only guy who really died in Naruto was Jiraiya, that was a good death. everything else was really meh.

One piece trumps even with the death of a ship.

Granny gave up her life to save Gaara.
Minato's jutsu to see his son again was stated. It has an explanation.
Pain revived everyone at the cost of his own life. Explained.
How Oro revived those sealed by RDS was shown and explained.
Kages were saved by Tsunade and Katsuyu. Only Tsunade was cut in half, everyone else was stabbed. Shown being healed.

Now how does Pell survive again? Exactly my point.

I never compared the plots and characters and twists of the two stories, this is not a OP bashing thread.

Btwn Pell surving that bomb and Kishi awekening everyone bar Jiraiya who died in his story I prefer Pell surving(u all saw it in batman it was friggin autopilot) anyways with Pell I can always theorise him stumbling into CoA just as Coby stumbled into CoO. As far as wiper goea well him using it that many times when even once wld kill a normal human shows his guts and anyways he as far as the story is corncernrd is not normal.

Doesn't make sense. He was carrying the bomb, even if he did awaken Haki, it's low level at best, providing little protection. He won't be making his body black. Hell, how does he survive the fall then?

Zabuza and Haku's death were also cool. But they then were revived by edo tensei,so yeah I get what you mean, Jiraya, if I remember correctly was the only one who died and never came back, and Neji's death, I just lol'd.

I feel you.