OMG confirmed Russia has hypersonic cruise missile

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West declared it as bluff from Putin couple months ago ,yet today on Russian victory parade its confirmed true.



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Russia now has first hypersonic cruise missile. It has 10 mach speed and 2,000 km range. Also what makes it more impressive is fact that can maneuver during flight , basically no existing missile defense can shot it down. Its capable of carrying nuclear warhead of course.

Thank you and Lord Putin FTW.

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you know russia can never handle americans, we have one beer in one hand and a nuke in the other while riding eagles with a american flag tied to the wings. you cannot simply defend against such, you cant, its not possible.
 

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you know russia can never handle americans, we have one beer in one hand and a nuke in the other while riding eagles with a american flag tied to the wings. you cannot simply defend against such, you cant, its not possible.
Cool fanfiction ,stay mad.USA is already mad because of this they even quit agreement made with Iran :lmao:
 
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It does not matter, the authorities of the countries should find a common language and not blame each other, otherwise the world will turn into baked potatoes
 

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Is that a MiG 25? or 31? Probably 31.

Several problems with the "hypersonic cruise missile" idea. First - that's just a metal casing, as far as anyone can tell. We have no idea what is in there or if it works as advertised. It actually looks rather similar to an existing Russian anti-ship missile, so it is hard to tell just what it is. Second is the problem we have with all hypersonic missiles - guidance and communication. While it could be inertial guided, the plasma plume that develops around objects moving that fast cuts off most forms of electromagnetic communication. It blinds any seeker head to IR sources, radio sources - passive or semi-active illumination, and data streams. One might be able to get 'close enough' given the speed and the potential for a nuclear payload, but this is a crutch.

Don't get me wrong - put enough rocket propellant behind something, and it will go Mach 10. But, there again, put enough rocket propellant behind something and it can get to a substantial fraction of the speed of light, too - but let's not hand out the trophy, just yet. Russia may very well have developed a missile capable of high speeds over sustained distances, but let's look at the pictured system.

Where is the warhead? That front end is going to get hotter than hell's saunas, so I imagine most of it is non-critical space reserved for heat shielding and load balancing. Maybe a hardened penetrator of some kind because **** you and the wall you're behind. So, that leaves most of the front third. The second third is composed of a very large amount of taper. This could hold the warhead, but we are looking at a fairly small warhead compared to the overall missile. This leaves us with are tailing third, which is... going out on a limb, here, likely where the fuel is stored. Once again, the proportions of this device are rather different from what would be found on most missiles. The wide, 'squat,' design suggests a relatively short, but intense burn session.

Compounded with the platform we see it with - the MiG 31 FoxHound, it would suggest we are not looking at a 'cruise missile' as an air-breathing kamikaze drone like the TLAM. This is a device far more similar to the Aim-54C Phoenix - which launched into a high ballistic arc to then streak toward its target on a re-entry dive. An air-launched ballistic missile. Given the aircraft it is attached to, it is likely flown to a very high altitude at supersonic speeds and lobbed into a ballistic arc that allows it to, then, assume a variety of attack trajectories. Consider that it could appear to be a 'dud' missile that falls from an aircraft in a ballistic arc right up until a thousand feet from the water/ground, where it pitches up and kicks on its motor to scream at Mach-whatever along the surface for a few kilometers, or come almost straight down from 40k feet at very high speeds.

So, assuming this is a missile and that it is competent in its function, that is how I would assess it to work.

Since we can already intercept ballistic missiles on re-entry at Mach 20+, I'm not really all that concerned. The challenge would be that this missile could potentially be able to strike within a time-frame that prevents proper screening and intercept, particularly in a scenario where it falls beneath the radar horizon only to come screaming in over the ocean swell. If anything was going to get through an SM3 screen, that would be it. We can shoot down ballistic missiles until the inventory is expended - but you're talking about a hell of a short time to get a missile in the way of what I described.
 

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Russia is a paper tiger and that's what it has always been.

A pebble-sized country like South Korea has a larger economy than Russia. Hell, even New York City is wealthier than all of Russia. As a matter of fact, the country's wealth is concentrated around Putin's government and business friends, while the Russian people live in poverty. If any war escalates, God forbid, Russia will lose as they don't have the money to finance it.

Its military is from Soviet era which is about 30 years behind NATO's technology. NATO Missile Defence System would take out those punny propaganda missiles.

It baffles me how Russians can vote for a leader with expansionist policy, while he made his $70-200 billion fortune stealing it from public money and has not improved Russia's infrastructure ever since he took office.
 

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Russia is a paper tiger and that's what it has always been.
This would be incorrect. While Russia has its complications with force projection, Russia has been a massive influence in geopolitics since the times of Rome, and likely before.

A pebble-sized country like South Korea has a larger economy than Russia. Hell, even New York City is wealthier than all of Russia. As a matter of fact, the country's wealth is concentrated around Putin's government and business friends, while the Russian people live in poverty. If any war escalates, God forbid, Russia will lose as they don't have the money to finance it.
While this is somewhat true, it is not entirely accurate. Economics has far less to do with currency and far more to do with what is being exchanged. The same goes for metrics of wealth and capacity. While it is true that Russia is relatively isolated in terms of global economic trade, they still have significant capacity for production and exchange - and have been doing so in ways that are not necessarily denominated in currency.

Much of the war in Syria is over the attempt to keep Russia isolated, economically, and prevent it from building pipelines and overland/oceanic trade routes with other nations. Whether or not this is a 'good' or 'bad' goal depends largely upon one's own perspective of Russia... and one must wonder why they have suddenly become the embodiment of evil within the media. Not to say they are paragons or saints, but it would seem curious that they became pariahs after expelling a certain banking family from their nation.

Its military is from Soviet era which is about 30 years behind NATO's technology. NATO Missile Defence System would take out those punny propaganda missiles.
Propaganda missiles, indeed. For what, however? Why did Pelosi sell missiles from North Korea? What was the Iranian deal about? What was destroyed in Syria? And what does that have to do with Uranium One?

Sum of All Fears.

Russia actually has the capability for some fairly modern equipment. Also, consider that NATO is still flying around on 1950s platforms. Some of these just work. Some of the new stuff doesn't work. Why have U.S. aircraft been crashing so frequently? Where are the avionics chips made? Who approved the Chinese manufacture of sensitive components for the military? Why were aircraft ordered to stand down in Syria?

There is a very simple game being played beneath layers of duplicity and sabotage. You just have to dare to look beneath the beneath.

It baffles me how Russians can vote for a leader with expansionist policy, while he made his $70-200 billion fortune stealing it from public money and has not improved Russia's infrastructure ever since he took office.
Things have certainly been done. The problem is that he's forced to dump a considerable amount of resources into military improvements and operations. It is also difficult for Russia to enter into trade as their ports are frozen over half of the year or their goods have to be shipped overland on continental scales. That's a considerable burden than nations sitting right next to warm bodies of water don't have to worry nearly as much about.
 
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