Old Man Hiruzen the Boss. O_x

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There are many who believe Hiruzen is weak. However I would like to prove them wrong. Anime and Manga are counted, if you have a problem deal with it.

Basic Information:

- 2 elements earth and fire

- 34 total in databook stats

- The Professor: due to his mastery of all forms of shinobi combat, and his vast knowledge of techniques, purportedly knowing all the techniques within Konoha.

- Once called the God of Shinobi


Prowess

Keen Sense:
This man was immensely strong for his old age. He was able to overcome the Bringer of Darkness (which can be a counter of Tsukuyomi), just by his keen sense. How many other people do you know that can chase people down while in genjutsu. Please go ahead and name them.

His Mastery of Katon:
He has used 2 Katon jutsus, which are basically Anbu- level (high jounin level):

Fire Dragon bullet
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Fire Flame dragon bullet
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Both of these attack are High-jounin level attack.

Mastery of Doton:
Earth Release Shadow Clone
Earth Release: Double Suicide Decapitation Technique
Earth Release: Earth Dragon Bullet
Earth Release: Earth Flow River
Earth Release: Earth-Style Wall

There have been barely any other Doton users able to match his prowess in Doton, (people like Onoki, Akamichi)

Weaponry:

Shuriken Shadow Clone Technique
A-rank technique

Monkey King Enma (staff version).
Monkey King Enma's staff can take on the Great swords of the 7 swordsmen.

Easily high Jounin level with Weaponry.


Taijutsu:
This man was able to take on edo versions of the hokages (i know they weren't at full power, but still at high jounin level according to the anbu). He was even able to chase them down and also, sneakily place paper bombs on their legs.


CONCLUSION

People will try to argue with statements such as:
"he didn't show anything awesome or w.e"
OR
"The powerscale of the series was different back then."

NO, using power-scale as a excuse to defend Hiruzen is a insult to the character itself, when we in realty know the power-scale was the same (take Itachi for example). ALSO, the thing with "he didn't show anything awesome or w.e" HE COULDN'T why? Because had to finish the match, if he had let it go on, he would've been killed. The suicide/the draw between him and edo Hokages was NECESSARY only way he would've stopped them. So using other techniques for show would've been a waste of time and chakra.

I believe Hiruzen to be the 3rd strongest Hokage, because Tobirama is regarded higher then him in the village. HOWEVER, if Tobirama shows feats less convincing then Hiruzen's in the coming chapters, then I will easily put Hiruzen number 2.

DO NOT THINK HE WAS WEAK.... even the things he did in that fight were SPECTACULAR..
 

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ppl who think he is weak are retarded!
 

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Why is Hiruzen > Minato? Just out of curiosity...Is it because we haven't seen Minato's entire arsenal?
 

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The one believed to be the strongest Hokage under Tobirama? Tobirama over Hiruzen in the village? Tobirama over the God of Shinobi?

Come on man...
 

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d00d he iz de stironges Hokage pR0veD bi Iruka
 

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Well he was a kage after all
 

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Yes, hiruzen > itachi, Minato, and oro
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Why is Hiruzen > Minato? Just out of curiosity...Is it because we haven't seen Minato's entire arsenal?
Both their arsenals haven't been shown.

And I'm putting Hiruzen (prime state) above Minato. Because of the hype and bigger arsenal shown.


The one believed to be the strongest Hokage under Tobirama? Tobirama over Hiruzen in the village? Tobirama over the God of Shinobi?

Come on man...
His God of Shinobi hype means nothing, if he isn't even the best shinobi in his village. Which are Hashirama and Tobirama. That is the only reason i believe Tobirama is above him. And plus, S/T user.

Also he wasn't "believed " to be the strongest Hokage.. Iruka stated it was "SAID".

d00d he iz de stironges Hokage pR0veD bi Iruka
Iruka stated, he was "SAID to be the strongest Hokage".. not "IS the strongest Hokage"
because hiruzen was called a god, just like Hashirama, nagato, and so6p, so yeah.

Nagato was a self-claimed God. And not "GOD OF SHINOBI".. hell people barely knew his existence outside his country.
 
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Yeah, have to agree.

And you should know how it goes...assumptions without proof are thrown around like crazy all the time.
 

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I agree but sadly many people here think that he is the weakest kage -_-'
 

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On top of all of that. HE WAS AN OLD MAN WHEN WE SAW HIM. In his prime he would probably have beaten every current non-Edo ninja other than maybe Naruto and Sasuke. And he would have had a chance against them with his intelligence and sealing tech.
 

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Stop this already people.
Shit.
All the kage are powerfull. THERE. DONE. GREAT. Go home.
 
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