[Theory] [Official] Tobi is still Madara!

[~WastelandSociety~]

glad ppl actually agree with this

Yeah, but there's a 10% chance for Tobi being a clone or split soul. 90% being some new character (since the author did say he's introducing a new character but it wasn't in the coffin) or a character that we know.

 

[Rexoniel]

Here is another question for you all. Why would Tobi go through all the trouble to wear a mask to conceal his identity when he likes letting people know he's Madara Uchiha. From the parts of his face we've seen, he doesn't look like a burnt victim or anything like Spawn does. I doubt he's just so vain, he's scared to let other people see his wrinkles. If anything, it would make complete sense to remove his mask entirely during the Kage Summit to add to the credibility that he is who he says he is despite Madara supposedly dying which we now know he did indeed die because he's a zombie at the moment.

 

[~WastelandSociety~]

Here is another question for you all. Why would Tobi go through all the trouble to wear a mask to conceal his identity when he likes letting people know he's Madara Uchiha. From the parts of his face we've seen, he doesn't look like a burnt victim or anything like Spawn does. I doubt he's just so vain, he's scared to let other people see his wrinkles. If anything, it would make complete sense to remove his mask entirely during the Kage Summit to add to the credibility that he is who he says he is despite Madara supposedly dying which we now know he did indeed die because he's a zombie at the moment.

Yet,those that seen his face calls him "Madara".

 

[Rexoniel]

Those as in who, Kisame? He showed his face to him like twice and he seemed suprised both times for some reason. I personally believed he just used his sharingan to put him into a genjutsu. Look at Kisame's eyes every time he takes his mask off.

 

[Teacup22]

Here is another question for you all. Why would Tobi go through all the trouble to wear a mask to conceal his identity when he likes letting people know he's Madara Uchiha. From the parts of his face we've seen, he doesn't look like a burnt victim or anything like Spawn does. I doubt he's just so vain, he's scared to let other people see his wrinkles. If anything, it would make complete sense to remove his mask entirely during the Kage Summit to add to the credibility that he is who he says he is despite Madara supposedly dying which we now know he did indeed die because he's a zombie at the moment.

^ More plot for the manga.

 

[NarutoVsGoku]

it makes more sense that the soul is shared by the copies and once a copy is killed the soul is back to one body , because it will be so lame if after all these chapters kishi will introduce us to a new character and make madara copy him just so the six coffin and madara could still both be madara , it will make kishi look unprofessional , it's already obvious that he thought of the splitting technique after muu was killed just so that madara could be summoned directly to the war zone

You think kishi tHouht of the splitting technique just to have Mu summon Madara?! Wow so you basically think kishi is just making things up as he goes along with writing and drawing naruto.

Don't you know kishi has a editor and a staff of people working for him. He doesn't just make these stuff up as he goes along he gets paid for for this. Do you know what it takes to write a manga or comic? Do you know the step by step process?

There's scripts, storyboards, brainstorming, editing, more scripts, more editing and finally manga. Kishi doesn't just make a chapter and release it the next week, this chapter was made probably weeks or months before being released.

Why dot you research the process of making a manga, comic or even a story book before saying ignorant things.

 

[Dragonfly X]

WTF?!? These things are exactly what I have been rambling about since 559 came out!!! In every "Tobi is" thread I continued to say Tobi is still Madara and it's possible that the souls split resulting in edo Madara and Tobi Madara.

Ways that it's possible:

Sealing before death- example Minato, Kushina
Splitting- ex Mu
Inazagi- ex inazagi makes anything possible

I guess I should have just done what everyone did and spam another "Tobi is" thread an put my opinion on it cuz despite me writing this down on every other thread possible it seems like no one read it.

On the flipside I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking in this direction though

1. When Kushina and Minato were about to be sealed, they put some of their chakra into Naruto's seal, so that if the seal got close to activation, their chakra would come out as a physical manifestation as themselves. They weren't actually there, it was all in his head.

2. Splitting a body isn't the same thing as splitting a soul, and as far as we know, only Muu has this ability U_U

3. There is so many things wrong with this, but let me start with the easy one. As you saw when Orochimaru's soul was almost forced out, they don't come easy. To use Izanagi to split both your soul and body in two? That would easily take 2 eyes, because the maximum ability for Izanagi currently known is a minute per eye. So realistically, he maybe would have 30 seconds, because Danzo had his eyes improved on by Orochimaru. This probably can't happen, because it isn't as if poof, whatever you want happens, happens. You separate yourself from reality and modify something, but only for a brief instant, giving the illusion that you were never there in the first place. To separate both body and soul, that would take an enormous strain, and would blind him of him EMS in both eyes, and probably isn't even possible. Also, why would he do that? It makes no sense. "Oh, I'm bored today, so let me see if I can split myself in two, after blinding myself." Really? How is that realistic....

 

[Hei]

edo madara is real madara and toby i think is izuna

 

[Sarutobi Sasuke]

Chakra, soul what is the difference?

Do you remember Nagato's Preta and Human Path abilities?

- Preta Path can suck someones chakra out of him (in fact, it can suck chakra out of anything for that matter)
- Human Path can suck someones soul out of him


Why would Nagato have two abilities that can suck the same thing? That is, if chakra and souls were the same thing. I think its reasonable to say that this proves that chakra and souls are, in fact, two distinctly different things.

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About the "Madara used Splitting Jutsu" theory. My main question about the Splitting Jutsu is why do people believe that the soul is also split in half? Why would the double get half of the original's soul?

Here's the only info we have on the technique and nowhere does it say or insinuate that Muu's double got half of his soul:

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The other thing is this. Lets say Muu's soul does split as well when he uses this jutsu. And, lets say Muu has used this jutsu on numerous occasions and a couple of these doubles died. Shouldn't it then mean that there would be more than one Muu in the pure world if that were the scenario?

This theoretical scenario is why I dont think Muu's double has a soul.

 

[NarutoVsGoku]

1. When Kushina and Minato were about to be sealed, they put some of their chakra into Naruto's seal, so that if the seal got close to activation, their chakra would come out as a physical manifestation as themselves. They weren't actually there, it was all in his head.

2. Splitting a body isn't the same thing as splitting a soul, and as far as we know, only Muu has this ability U_U

3. There is so many things wrong with this, but let me start with the easy one. As you saw when Orochimaru's soul was almost forced out, they don't come easy. To use Izanagi to split both your soul and body in two? That would easily take 2 eyes, because the maximum ability for Izanagi currently known is a minute per eye. So realistically, he maybe would have 30 seconds, because Danzo had his eyes improved on by Orochimaru. This probably can't happen, because it isn't as if poof, whatever you want happens, happens. You separate yourself from reality and modify something, but only for a brief instant, giving the illusion that you were never there in the first place. To separate both body and soul, that would take an enormous strain, and would blind him of him EMS in both eyes, and probably isn't even possible. Also, why would he do that? It makes no sense. "Oh, I'm bored today, so let me see if I can split myself in two, after blinding myself." Really? How is that realistic....

1. Minato redid the seal on kyuubi for naruto and spoke to him giving information and words of incouragement. Kushina helped him beat kyuubi and also ave info and nice words. You they were all in his head, if you mean they were imaginary you are wrong but if you meant there were in his consciousness than you are right but they and their feelings, memories and character were sealed in naruto. If that's possible than Madara could have sealed his memory, character and feelings in another body as well. Maybe as far to seal some of his soul.

2. As far as we know Mu is the only one who can split himself. But its another example of how people can split themselves is the major point I'm making. It's not impossible for Madara to have split himself. Making even using a similar technique to Mu.

3. Inzagi makes anything possible with the sacrifice of a sharingan eye. Everything else you say is just gibberish. To say it would take 2 eyes to separate soul and body has no proof of evidence from the manga. You making that guesstimate based on personal view point.

Anyways like I was saying my biggest point is that because of characters like Minato Kushina and Mu its not impossible that edo Madara and Tobi Madara to coexist. Also inazagi makes it possible. I'm not sure what the reason or why there would be 2 Madaras but I'm saying it's possible. It's more plausible than Tobi being anybody else besides Madara. Madara is the most possible person to being Tobi based on everything in the past that Tobi has done and said.

Do you remember Nagato's Preta and Human Path abilities?

- Preta Path can suck someones chakra out of him (in fact, it can suck chakra out of anything for that matter)
- Human Path can suck someones soul out of him


Why would Nagato have two abilities that can suck the same thing? That is, if chakra and souls were the same thing. I think its reasonable to say that this proves that chakra and souls are, in fact, two distinctly different things.

Hmm great point an well said. You are right.