[Theory] [Official]The Giant Tobi Discussion/Theory Thread

[azncripple]

i dont know if this theory has been said yet since there are like two hundred pages but w.e
my theory is that the re-animated madara is izuna and that tobi is madara. the reanimated/edo madara never said he was madara, people just said he was. and izuna looks pretty similar to madara doesn't he?

 

[PositiveEmotions]

This is more entertaining

wut u mean by that?

 

[Tartarus]

I don't think it's gonna be Madara, that would be a 360 plot twist and thus back to point A and thus pointless. I won't entirely rule out the possibility though, there is evidence to support it.

 

[azncripple]

these are my counter arguments to some of the theories i've seen:
sasuke's dad- why would itachi kill his dad if he was going to work with him, also why would sasuke's dad, leader of the coup betray the uchiha
obito-obito is dead and most likely wouldn't have the will or capabilities to do what tobi has
izuna- izuna died, he can't be tobi, unless he got reborned
zetsu-why would zetsu have to ask tobi what to do if tobi was zetsu? and if he is then who made zetsu
sage of 6 paths-died, and why would he use such a method, he's strong enough to beat everyone without these tactics
shisui- why would he give out his eyes and then try to go get them back, why not just keep them, and if he was that strong how come danzo could get them from him or why would he give them to danzo
kagami- under developed character, possible but no reason that it is him other than the fact that he's uchiha, he obviously knew danzo so why couldn't he have gotten shisui's eye from him before, and how could he have possibly had the rinnegan since tobi said that he gave the rinnegan to nagato.

 

[Jonathon]

Let's leave tobi as a self proclaimed Madara, not the actual Madara. Let's wait for the next chapter that's coming in a few days. :]

 

[Rapture]

Let's leave tobi as a self proclaimed Madara, not the actual Madara. Let's wait for the next chapter that's coming in a few days. :]

well that's quite boring

 

[veggetta13]

Ztesu.. I````m tire.. I`ve said so a thousan6d timesW"Q!ªQ!ªQ!ªQ!ªQ!ªQ!ª

 

[DarkPein12]

I am tobi

 

[DarkPein12]

or tobi is good boy

 

[NarutoVsGoku]

thats not entirely true dude kakashi is known for copying jutsus after all he has over 1,000 jutsus copied and he did that with sharingan and i think that was obitos eye technique and the space time jutsu is the same as tobi well almost the same anyways kakashi and tobi and obito have similar stuff i wont say obito is tobi but it could be possible and it may not be possible but if i remember correctly tobi did seem a bit different each time he saw kakashi tobi never even bothered to attack kakashi nor said anything mean to him but thats just me.. and i usually agree with your post dude but the whole copying technique is real all tho i dont think every uchiha can do it i think only certain uchihas can do it sasuke seems like he could only copy taijutsu as it was shown when he saw rock lee's barage

Kakashi cannot copy sage mode
Kakashi can't copy dust element it any kgs
Kakashi can't copy rasenshuriken
Kakashi can't copy gaaras sand jutsus
Kakashi can't copy a ninja who does hand signs faster thana sharingan can follow
Kakashi can't copy alot of jutsus despite having copied 1000 already.

What the sharingan does is allows Kakashi (or any sharingan user) to see chakra, and see things in slow motion. Kakashi has used the eye to examine the enemies handsigns and amount of chakra being used. With that it would not be so hard for Kakashi to copy the jutsu.

Sasuke could copy Lee movements but Sasuke still had to train to getto Lee speed. Kakashi explained this when Sasuke was fighting Gaara.

Tobi is not Obito..

If you strongly believe that than answer these:

How was Obito who was genin level before he died able to fight toe to toe with the 4th Hokage?
Obito was a kid when he died. Few years later the kyuubi attacks and Kakashi who was still too young to participate in helping the leaf during the attack was not adult height. If obito is the same age as Kakashi and Tobi, how come he was Minatos height during the kyuubi attack when he's supposed to by height of Kakashi?
Obito self sacrificed himself to save Kakashi who in the beginning disliked. Obito risked the mission and his life to go save Rin. Obito taught Kakahi the lesson that "those who abandon ther friends are worse than scum" which Kakashi has taught to team 7. If obito ha these self less, loyal and loving characteristics, why would he as Tobi want to destroy the leaf and take over the world? What would be his motivation?

If you can logically answer those questions than maybe Tobi is obito.

The only thing i agreed with their is that Tobi is not Obito, unless kishi's a troll.
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'If the soul has been sealed elsewhere, they CAN'T be resurrected'.
So if madara sealed his soul into Tobi, then he could NOT have been resurrected. The half soul thing does'nt really work, as the seal minato used allowed him to talk for , like what? A few minutes and then his chakra ran out. So you're saying Tobi has managed to stay alive for decades with the partial chakra a bit of the soul being used would give...?
Also, don't say Madara might have used a better tech. His wife was an Uzumaki, who are MASTERS at sealing jutsus, they would have known better techs than anyone else.

That quote doesn't refute the possibility that Madara sealed part of himself before dying.

The quote says if the soul has been sealed, meaning the whole soul. But if part of the soul was sealed prior the death than who's to say?

And already we see that half of Mu soul is sealed, but the other half is alongside edo Madara. Mu split himself before being sealed and half is sealed the other isn't.

So the half thing is possible.

Also there is a possibilty that Madara could have used a better seal. Or maybe just by Madara type of chakra it allowed him to live so long where as Minato only lasted a few minutes in Narutos mind. Tobi who claims to be Madara, said it was due to his chakra that allowed him to live so long. Maybe that's partly true.

Just because Kushina helped Minato make seals, and uzamakis were strong seal jutsu users doesn't make it impossible for Madara to use a powerful seal that allowed him to die and live at the same time.

Also the sealing thing is not the only possibilty that makes Tobi Madara. Other possibilities are Madara could have use a splitting technique or inazagi to create Tobi. Than again there may be a possibility that I missed or will be made up in the future manga chapters but who is more qualified to be Tobi than Madara?

 

[Cyborg]

Kakashi cannot copy sage mode
Kakashi can't copy dust element it any kgs
Kakashi can't copy rasenshuriken
Kakashi can't copy gaaras sand jutsus
Kakashi can't copy a ninja who does hand signs faster thana sharingan can follow
Kakashi can't copy alot of jutsus despite having copied 1000 already.

What the sharingan does is allows Kakashi (or any sharingan user) to see chakra, and see things in slow motion. Kakashi has used the eye to examine the enemies handsigns and amount of chakra being used. With that it would not be so hard for Kakashi to copy the jutsu.

Sasuke could copy Lee movements but Sasuke still had to train to getto Lee speed. Kakashi explained this when Sasuke was fighting Gaara.

Tobi is not Obito..

If you strongly believe that than answer these:

How was Obito who was genin level before he died able to fight toe to toe with the 4th Hokage?
Obito was a kid when he died. Few years later the kyuubi attacks and Kakashi who was still too young to participate in helping the leaf during the attack was not adult height. If obito is the same age as Kakashi and Tobi, how come he was Minatos height during the kyuubi attack when he's supposed to by height of Kakashi?
Obito self sacrificed himself to save Kakashi who in the beginning disliked. Obito risked the mission and his life to go save Rin. Obito taught Kakahi the lesson that "those who abandon ther friends are worse than scum" which Kakashi has taught to team 7. If obito ha these self less, loyal and loving characteristics, why would he as Tobi want to destroy the leaf and take over the world? What would be his motivation?

If you can logically answer those questions than maybe Tobi is obito.




That quote doesn't refute the possibility that Madara sealed part of himself before dying.

The quote says if the soul has been sealed, meaning the whole soul. But if part of the soul was sealed prior the death than who's to say?

And already we see that half of Mu soul is sealed, but the other half is alongside edo Madara. Mu split himself before being sealed and half is sealed the other isn't.

So the half thing is possible.

Also there is a possibilty that Madara could have used a better seal. Or maybe just by Madara type of chakra it allowed him to live so long where as Minato only lasted a few minutes in Narutos mind. Tobi who claims to be Madara, said it was due to his chakra that allowed him to live so long. Maybe that's partly true.

Just because Kushina helped Minato make seals, and uzamakis were strong seal jutsu users doesn't make it impossible for Madara to use a powerful seal that allowed him to die and live at the same time.

Also the sealing thing is not the only possibilty that makes Tobi Madara. Other possibilities are Madara could have use a splitting technique or inazagi to create Tobi. Than again there may be a possibility that I missed or will be made up in the future manga chapters but who is more qualified to be Tobi than Madara?

Bolded^, no thats just you assuming something that is'nt stated. Its not fact, you're making an assumption, what the manga really says is soul, neither whole nor part. How the **** is Mu's soul sealed? He used a splitting tech, he fooled the shinobis into thinking his soul was sealed, it really was'nt....
Remember the 3rd's fight with Oro...? That's when part of a soul was sealed. And Oro could'nt use his arms....but Tobi last i checked can use pretty much all his limbs, and from the looks of it so can the real Madara.....dude seriously its REALLLYY unlikely that Tobi is still Madara, it pretty much would make this chapter useless.
And my best guess of Tobi's identity is either Fukaku(Itachi sasuke's dad) or the SO6P....the elder son, well maybe.

 

[Sentinel]

obviously tobi is not madara, since madara just got revived with edo tensei he must have been dead a while, but there seems to be a link between the two and their history, I came up with a theory that might explain this link and how they both seem to know the same things.
I haven't read all of the previous posts in this thread since that would take a long time, so if anyone came up with a similar theory I do appologise.

I think that tobi is a sort of copy from the real madara but a special kind, and they are two separate beings but with identical memory's at the moment tobi was created. I also belive that the difference between the actual madara and tobi can be made by the hair. I dismissed this earlyer but now with the recent chapter I have to revisit my thoughts. for the creation of my theory I have also separated the actions of tobi and the real madara based on the length the hair.

now, firstly, it all starts with the real madara fighting with hashirama senju, the infamous battle that he supposedly lost. tobi mentioned that this fight was done to gain acces to the firsts dna and his powers(chapter 510 page 12), presumably to gain acces to a proper inzanagi. I asume that madara survived barly and hid himself somewhere to recover. while doing so he must have began to experiment with the dna he gatherd. he might have done this on others first and eventualy on himself.

white zetsu is obviously a creation of that dna (as explaind in chapter 512) and I think that black zetsu (at that time a regualr shinobi loyal to madara) was the template for the first white zetsu that got copyd into 100.000 for the war. so white zetsu was probably sort of his first human experiment befor perfecting it for use on himself, thus finaly creating tobi by mixing madara's own dna with hashirama's dna. this possibly gave tobi the full memory's of madara (or the memory's were added later), explaining why he knows things in detail about madara's life. it would explain also why tobi can switch arms and eye's quickly, his body must be quite adapable because of this tech and it explains why he looks like zetsu when he is damaged. however I think the EMS was not copy'd and that's why tobi never used anything more then a regular sharingan. posibly also why he has such a large collection of sharingan, to compensate for any losses and provide the tobi body with sharingan to begin with.

tobi and madara probably also look alike since kisame first met the real madara (long hair chapter 507 page 13) when he discoverd that he was controling the fourth mizukage and later on when tobi showed him his face he recognised tobi as madara (chapter 404 page 2).

also I don't think that madara created tobi on his deathbed, they must have lived alongside eachother for some time. tobi attempted the attack on konoha with the ninetails by order of madara and the real madara was later found out by itachi (notice the long hair, chapter 400 pages 8 and 9), who probably did not know about tobi's existence at that time or just asumed that they were one and the same. that would probably also give reason to belive that tobi and madara share the same chakra. the real madara probably helpt itachi out with the massacre of the clana and must have died shortly after, he must not have been imortal, and he must have left instructions to tobi (who already created akatsuky at that time) to manipulate nagato into using his rinnegan to bring back madara when the time was right.

this last bit would explain why edo tensei madara first thought his revival was nagato's work and why tobi got frustrated that nagato used the jutsu to revive the people of konoha, mentioning that that jutsu was intended for him (chapter 453 page 17). madara knowing what edo tensei is must also prove that he lived in the times when the second hokage created this technique.

your comments are welcome, and any remarks or input is helpfull, be it positive or negative.
but no mater what the truth is, it's certainly going to be an interesting few chapters comming up

 

[PositiveEmotions]

Kakashi cannot copy sage mode
Kakashi can't copy dust element it any kgs
Kakashi can't copy rasenshuriken
Kakashi can't copy gaaras sand jutsus
Kakashi can't copy a ninja who does hand signs faster thana sharingan can follow
Kakashi can't copy alot of jutsus despite having copied 1000 already.

What the sharingan does is allows Kakashi (or any sharingan user) to see chakra, and see things in slow motion. Kakashi has used the eye to examine the enemies handsigns and amount of chakra being used. With that it would not be so hard for Kakashi to copy the jutsu.

Sasuke could copy Lee movements but Sasuke still had to train to getto Lee speed. Kakashi explained this when Sasuke was fighting Gaara.

Tobi is not Obito..

If you strongly believe that than answer these:

How was Obito who was genin level before he died able to fight toe to toe with the 4th Hokage?
Obito was a kid when he died. Few years later the kyuubi attacks and Kakashi who was still too young to participate in helping the leaf during the attack was not adult height. If obito is the same age as Kakashi and Tobi, how come he was Minatos height during the kyuubi attack when he's supposed to by height of Kakashi?
Obito self sacrificed himself to save Kakashi who in the beginning disliked. Obito risked the mission and his life to go save Rin. Obito taught Kakahi the lesson that "those who abandon ther friends are worse than scum" which Kakashi has taught to team 7. If obito ha these self less, loyal and loving characteristics, why would he as Tobi want to destroy the leaf and take over the world? What would be his motivation?

If you can logically answer those questions than maybe Tobi is obito.




That quote doesn't refute the possibility that Madara sealed part of himself before dying.

The quote says if the soul has been sealed, meaning the whole soul. But if part of the soul was sealed prior the death than who's to say?

And already we see that half of Mu soul is sealed, but the other half is alongside edo Madara. Mu split himself before being sealed and half is sealed the other isn't.

So the half thing is possible.

Also there is a possibilty that Madara could have used a better seal. Or maybe just by Madara type of chakra it allowed him to live so long where as Minato only lasted a few minutes in Narutos mind. Tobi who claims to be Madara, said it was due to his chakra that allowed him to live so long. Maybe that's partly true.

Just because Kushina helped Minato make seals, and uzamakis were strong seal jutsu users doesn't make it impossible for Madara to use a powerful seal that allowed him to die and live at the same time.

Also the sealing thing is not the only possibilty that makes Tobi Madara. Other possibilities are Madara could have use a splitting technique or inazagi to create Tobi. Than again there may be a possibility that I missed or will be made up in the future manga chapters but who is more qualified to be Tobi than Madara?

first of all i never said wut type of jutsus kakashi can use im aware of the things he cant copy but he can pretty much copy certain jutsus thats still prove that a sharingan can copy ceritain tiajutsu and moves and as for what u said about tobi being up against yea u r correct on that but remember IF ITS OBIT obito had plenty of time to do some training with some ninja who knows maybe madara himself naw i think it was itachi after all they did know each other either itachi or madara himself tought him some stuff because when madara was alive so was itachi and it would make sense that obito would of have some serious training to control and use his space time jutsu i mean thats all he really did and kakashi has a jutsu similar to it but not all complete because if i think correctly u the user would have to be an uchiha with both sharingan eyes to be able to use the space time jutsu as for kakashi his not an uchiha and only has 1 eye of an uchiha member so it explains y kakashi is able to surpass most uchihas using his own sharingan form obito they both have basically the same technique but tobis is more advance because his a true uchiha now it cant be kagami because he was a good guy even if kagami made a deal with danzo i highly doubted kagami wanted a war and shishi died by itachi and both of his eyes where gone and it cant be fukazu because he died it clearly showed him laying on the ground dead and sasuke saw that so no its not him the only uchiha that was not shown dead was obito not only that we do not know shit about him we do not know anythin of his parents being killed or not and another thing obito was an angry ninja whos to say he could of turned out to be like sasuke huh but as i said before its a

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chance that it might be obito

 

[ImmaculateShadow]

Re: Tobi is who he wants to be

you need MS to do space time ninjutsu. so i guess he does have it.

Unless your Minato Namikaze.

 

[Gyakusetsu]

Re: Tobi is who he wants to be

Unless your Minato Namikaze.

Bingo, What do you bet that seal Minato left on Tobi is still there for Naruto's eventual use to follow Tobi wherever/whenever he goes?

 

[NarutoVsGoku]

Bolded^, no thats just you assuming something that is'nt stated. Its not fact, you're making an assumption, what the manga really says is soul, neither whole nor part. How the **** is Mu's soul sealed? He used a splitting tech, he fooled the shinobis into thinking his soul was sealed, it really was'nt....
Remember the 3rd's fight with Oro...? That's when part of a soul was sealed. And Oro could'nt use his arms....but Tobi last i checked can use pretty much all his limbs, and from the looks of it so can the real Madara.....dude seriously its REALLLYY unlikely that Tobi is still Madara, it pretty much would make this chapter useless.
And my best guess of Tobi's identity is either Fukaku(Itachi sasuke's dad) or the SO6P....the elder son, well maybe.

I'm not assuming, it is true. You can only assume whole if it doesn't specify part. Just like your example stated, 3rd sealed part of oro soul, taking away his arms.

Yes he dis use a splitting technique and the splitting technique is not some shadow clone. He split himself into 2 physically and spiirituallu equal identical beings.

Tobi can use his limbs cuz he replaces them whenever he loses them. Remember? Fight agaisnt Minato? Konan? Fu and torune? Just like how oro replaced his old body with a new one and was able to use jutsus again. If you don't remember, oro used jutsus fighting agaisnt 4 tails naruto.

Lastly nobody but Madara is the most likely person to be Tobi. Minato fought Tobi and the only person he knew that could have controlled the fox and know about the sealing of seal during birth is Madara despite it being impossible because Madara was supposed to be dead. Itachi said he knew Madara was still alive and sought him to help kill the Uchiha clan. Kisame actually saw Madara and said he was glad he was running things. Madara is the only one who could have known the knowledge that Tobi had because of ems and rinnegan, Madara is the only person who would say what Tobi said to naruto and sauce when describing Hashirama. "I hated him and respected him more than anyone".

There's no way anyone else but Madara can be Tobi. There is a logical explanation for it even though edo Madara is revived. But idk why people think it's impossible for Tobi to be Madara when oro had his arms sealed and later on he's able to use jutsus again, Amaterasu was said to burn anything in site but in the manga no one has ever died from it, naruto was advised to not use shadow clones during kyuubi mode for he would die but this guy looks like he has even broken a sweat, it was said that a jinchuriki who has his Bijuus taken will die but Kushina didn't die immediately and Gaara came back to life, tsukyomi is supposed to be an in breakable genjutu but bee and Danzo broke it like nothing and my favorite is that edo tensi is suppose to make revive ninja slaves to the user but Itachi broke free. Every jutsu has it's weakness and there's exceptions to everything. It is not impossible for edonmadara and Tobi Madara to coexist even if it contradicts edo tensi, when other jutsus in the past have been contradicted.

 

[NarutoVsGoku]

first of all i never said wut type of jutsus kakashi can use im aware of the things he cant copy but he can pretty much copy certain jutsus thats still prove that a sharingan can copy ceritain tiajutsu and moves and as for what u said about tobi being up against yea u r correct on that but remember IF ITS OBIT obito had plenty of time to do some training with some ninja who knows maybe madara himself naw i think it was itachi after all they did know each other either itachi or madara himself tought him some stuff because when madara was alive so was itachi and it would make sense that obito would of have some serious training to control and use his space time jutsu i mean thats all he really did and kakashi has a jutsu similar to it but not all complete because if i think correctly u the user would have to be an uchiha with both sharingan eyes to be able to use the space time jutsu as for kakashi his not an uchiha and only has 1 eye of an uchiha member so it explains y kakashi is able to surpass most uchihas using his own sharingan form obito they both have basically the same technique but tobis is more advance because his a true uchiha now it cant be kagami because he was a good guy even if kagami made a deal with danzo i highly doubted kagami wanted a war and shishi died by itachi and both of his eyes where gone and it cant be fukazu because he died it clearly showed him laying on the ground dead and sasuke saw that so no its not him the only uchiha that was not shown dead was obito not only that we do not know shit about him we do not know anythin of his parents being killed or not and another thing obito was an angry ninja whos to say he could of turned out to be like sasuke huh but as i said before its a

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chance that it might be obito

Facepalm pe.

Ok so you agree that Kakashi can't copy everything. That's what I said. Good.

Itachi was less than 5 years old. How would Itachi train obito to be stronger than Minato at 5 years old?

How would obito be able to train with a crushed body? His whole body was crushed under boulders. If anybody found him they would have to dig under a mountain of random piled rocks and scoop his bloody pancaked crushed body.

You didn't answer my question as what motive would obito have to attack the leaf and the whole world when before he died he risked his life to save his friends.

You didn't answer the question of how obito was the height of a grown man when he was supposed to be kakashis height who was still very young and shorter than Minato.

 

[Cyborg]

obviously tobi is not madara, since madara just got revived with edo tensei he must have been dead a while, but there seems to be a link between the two and their history, I came up with a theory that might explain this link and how they both seem to know the same things.
I haven't read all of the previous posts in this thread since that would take a long time, so if anyone came up with a similar theory I do appologise.

I think that tobi is a sort of copy from the real madara but a special kind, and they are two separate beings but with identical memory's at the moment tobi was created. I also belive that the difference between the actual madara and tobi can be made by the hair. I dismissed this earlyer but now with the recent chapter I have to revisit my thoughts. for the creation of my theory I have also separated the actions of tobi and the real madara based on the length the hair.

now, firstly, it all starts with the real madara fighting with hashirama senju, the infamous battle that he supposedly lost. tobi mentioned that this fight was done to gain acces to the firsts dna and his powers(chapter 510 page 12), presumably to gain acces to a proper inzanagi. I asume that madara survived barly and hid himself somewhere to recover. while doing so he must have began to experiment with the dna he gatherd. he might have done this on others first and eventualy on himself.

white zetsu is obviously a creation of that dna (as explaind in chapter 512) and I think that black zetsu (at that time a regualr shinobi loyal to madara) was the template for the first white zetsu that got copyd into 100.000 for the war. so white zetsu was probably sort of his first human experiment befor perfecting it for use on himself, thus finaly creating tobi by mixing madara's own dna with hashirama's dna. this possibly gave tobi the full memory's of madara (or the memory's were added later), explaining why he knows things in detail about madara's life. it would explain also why tobi can switch arms and eye's quickly, his body must be quite adapable because of this tech and it explains why he looks like zetsu when he is damaged. however I think the EMS was not copy'd and that's why tobi never used anything more then a regular sharingan. posibly also why he has such a large collection of sharingan, to compensate for any losses and provide the tobi body with sharingan to begin with.

tobi and madara probably also look alike since kisame first met the real madara (long hair chapter 507 page 13) when he discoverd that he was controling the fourth mizukage and later on when tobi showed him his face he recognised tobi as madara (chapter 404 page 2).

also I don't think that madara created tobi on his deathbed, they must have lived alongside eachother for some time. tobi attempted the attack on konoha with the ninetails by order of madara and the real madara was later found out by itachi (notice the long hair, chapter 400 pages 8 and 9), who probably did not know about tobi's existence at that time or just asumed that they were one and the same. that would probably also give reason to belive that tobi and madara share the same chakra. the real madara probably helpt itachi out with the massacre of the clana and must have died shortly after, he must not have been imortal, and he must have left instructions to tobi (who already created akatsuky at that time) to manipulate nagato into using his rinnegan to bring back madara when the time was right.

this last bit would explain why edo tensei madara first thought his revival was nagato's work and why tobi got frustrated that nagato used the jutsu to revive the people of konoha, mentioning that that jutsu was intended for him (chapter 453 page 17). madara knowing what edo tensei is must also prove that he lived in the times when the second hokage created this technique.

your comments are welcome, and any remarks or input is helpfull, be it positive or negative.
but no mater what the truth is, it's certainly going to be an interesting few chapters comming up

Plus reps, well thought out. I disagree though, as i think the plot has more twists than this.
Logically you've covered all aspects and have made a theory which fits, but since when does kishi the uber troll pay any heed....? What i mean to say is that plot-wise this theory does'nt fit as it has no surprises, something creators of animes like this love to create suspense.

I'm not assuming, it is true. You can only assume whole if it doesn't specify part. Just like your example stated, 3rd sealed part of oro soul, taking away his arms.

Yes he dis use a splitting technique and the splitting technique is not some shadow clone. He split himself into 2 physically and spiirituallu equal identical beings.

Tobi can use his limbs cuz he replaces them whenever he loses them. Remember? Fight agaisnt Minato? Konan? Fu and torune? Just like how oro replaced his old body with a new one and was able to use jutsus again. If you don't remember, oro used jutsus fighting agaisnt 4 tails naruto.

Lastly nobody but Madara is the most likely person to be Tobi. Minato fought Tobi and the only person he knew that could have controlled the fox and know about the sealing of seal during birth is Madara despite it being impossible because Madara was supposed to be dead. Itachi said he knew Madara was still alive and sought him to help kill the Uchiha clan. Kisame actually saw Madara and said he was glad he was running things. Madara is the only one who could have known the knowledge that Tobi had because of ems and rinnegan, Madara is the only person who would say what Tobi said to naruto and sauce when describing Hashirama. "I hated him and respected him more than anyone".

There's no way anyone else but Madara can be Tobi. There is a logical explanation for it even though edo Madara is revived. But idk why people think it's impossible for Tobi to be Madara when oro had his arms sealed and later on he's able to use jutsus again, Amaterasu was said to burn anything in site but in the manga no one has ever died from it, naruto was advised to not use shadow clones during kyuubi mode for he would die but this guy looks like he has even broken a sweat, it was said that a jinchuriki who has his Bijuus taken will die but Kushina didn't die immediately and Gaara came back to life, tsukyomi is supposed to be an in breakable genjutu but bee and Danzo broke it like nothing and my favorite is that edo tensi is suppose to make revive ninja slaves to the user but Itachi broke free. Every jutsu has it's weakness and there's exceptions to everything. It is not impossible for edonmadara and Tobi Madara to coexist even if it contradicts edo tensi, when other jutsus in the past have been contradicted.

Jutsus have contradicted their supposed mechanisms for working, but that's only one aspect. You see, story wise its incredibly lame if at the end of 1 chapter kishi says ' MADARA IS REVIVED, TOBI IS'NT MADARA...' and then in the next chapter/s goes on to say 'HAAHA TROLLED YA, TOBI REALLY IS MADARA SUCKAAASS......o_o'

It just does'nt fit. I understand you used to blurt out Tobi is Madara and now you've been disproved, lol i believed the same but lets accept the facts here if the manga shows a guy named Bob next chapter and says he climbs trees, you can, rightfully say no, his real name's justin and he climbs mountains because there have been sooo many times when kishi said one thing but than later contradicted it to show something else etc, .. But, the obvious and smart thing is to accept what the manga has clearly shown, and that is that tobi is not madara. I'm not saying its impossible that he be Madara but based on the manga well ,it is.

 

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Facepalm pe.

Ok so you agree that Kakashi can't copy everything. That's what I said. Good.

Itachi was less than 5 years old. How would Itachi train obito to be stronger than Minato at 5 years old?

How would obito be able to train with a crushed body? His whole body was crushed under boulders. If anybody found him they would have to dig under a mountain of random piled rocks and scoop his bloody pancaked crushed body.

You didn't answer my question as what motive would obito have to attack the leaf and the whole world when before he died he risked his life to save his friends.

You didn't answer the question of how obito was the height of a grown man when he was supposed to be kakashis height who was still very young and shorter than Minato.

well lets we do not know shit about obito we do not know his background for us to be assume that he wouldnt attack the leave simply because he willingly gave his eye to kakashi and zetzu mite of implanted himself on obito to have the straight to train because u said or someone said kakashi was in the anbu black obs wen kyuubi attacked the leave but i also told u its a possibility that it is obito and a possibility that is not obito and yes tobi had a teenage body and remember its the only technique that tobi ever used the space time jutsu i am sure obito had allot of time to train how to do the technique and its also similar to kakashis time jutsu

 

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Plus reps, well thought out. I disagree though, as i think the plot has more twists than this.
Logically you've covered all aspects and have made a theory which fits, but since when does kishi the uber troll pay any heed....? What i mean to say is that plot-wise this theory does'nt fit as it has no surprises, something creators of animes like this love to create suspense.

thanks for the comment, and I do agrea that compared to what we are used to from kishi over the years this seems to be unsursprising and somewhat simple. but every story has to come to an end and at the end everything has to seem somewhat logical, all the twists and questions have to fit and be answerd. that's why I tryed to make it a bit simple.
I read somewhere that kishi had the main lines for the story ready befor he started with the manga, the ending and all, he just built up the details of the story bit by bit over time. I think that something like my theory might be what he had in mind from the start and if it is then he deffinatly used it in a very nice way. giving us just enough information to get us thinking and to explain a bit of the current sytuation without giving away the complete story, thus creating the suspense your talking about.
let me know what you think?