When tobi attacked the village that night with the nine tailed fox... he was the same height as kakashi, and kakashi was short compared to minato who was much taller, and tobi was around the same height as minato...your theory has a major flaw, unless you can explain to me how someone magically grows his body faster
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NarutoVsGoku
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Btw I'm sooo glad they put all the Tobi threads in one giant thread lol! No more spam in the manga section. Whoever has an opinion on Tobi identity can just post it here
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those are some nice ideas u got there but i also think the same think but i dont say anything bc ppl here will get offended lol
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if u llook closely the body looked like a teenage body there for kakashi would of been a teen but i could be wrong tho but i think minato died when kakashi was a kid and remember kakashi was not shown in those chapters so we do not know wut age kakashi really was
Re: Tobi is Fugaku (Sasuke and Itachis father)
Also, you don't give much weight to the Impure World Resurrection tech, and the fact that a soul is the true essence of a person, even in the Naruto world. Oro had a immortality jutsu, but his soul occupied other ppl's bodies. The resurrected Madara was'nt the body of Madara but his soul, meaning he was, in essence, Madara. That's not something to be taken lightly as clearly it means Tobi's essence is of someone other than Madara.
Well, any place can lead to a clue and i thought space time might be it. But honestly, with the way this last chapter has ended, it'll be a MAJOR ass anti climax if Tobi is just Madara in some other body, the build up does'nt seem like its headed for that. And if you say sharingan can't copy every jutsu it follows that Madara's sharingan cannot copy every jutsu either.
Also, you don't give much weight to the Impure World Resurrection tech, and the fact that a soul is the true essence of a person, even in the Naruto world. Oro had a immortality jutsu, but his soul occupied other ppl's bodies. The resurrected Madara was'nt the body of Madara but his soul, meaning he was, in essence, Madara. That's not something to be taken lightly as clearly it means Tobi's essence is of someone other than Madara.
GermanViet
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Yes that's something I also thought of.. But I didnt want to go into details..
Tobi said he gave Nagato the Rinnegan.. 1st question that comes up is how did he get the Rinnegan.. Since he is a space-TIME ninjutsu user.. he could somehow travel through time and get the Rinnegan..
And because Tobi is a space-time ninjutsu user growth is not a problem..
Obito and Kakashi were both students.. But while the fight between Tobi and Konan you could see that Tobi has aged drastically.. --> side effect of his space-time ninjutsu?
But since these theories are far fetched I didn't want to include it into my theory.. So I were a little bit more abstract..
similiar to Shisui's MS eyes.. those jutsus can't be used as many times as they wish.. (Itachi destroyed crow+Shisui's eye because the eye can't be used for 1 year..)
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Re: Tobi is Fugaku (Sasuke and Itachis father)
And yes that is my point that sharingan cannot copy everything.
Maybe you give iwr too much weight. I think about the fact that when someone uses the death reaper seal, their soul, "their essence" is forever sealed but yet a part of Minatos soul and essence was in naruto. With something like that why is it hard to be edo Madara and Tobi Madara co exist?
Anyways you didn't refute anything else I said in my last comment. Perhaps you agreed or....... Something.
No that is not a fact but your opinion, if it turned out Tobi was still somehow Madara it'd be your opinion and personal feeling that it'd be an anti climax. Just like in my opinion if Tobi turned out to be obito than that would destroy 500 something chapters worth of a story.
And yes that is my point that sharingan cannot copy everything.
Maybe you give iwr too much weight. I think about the fact that when someone uses the death reaper seal, their soul, "their essence" is forever sealed but yet a part of Minatos soul and essence was in naruto. With something like that why is it hard to be edo Madara and Tobi Madara co exist?
Anyways you didn't refute anything else I said in my last comment. Perhaps you agreed or....... Something.
PositiveEmotions
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Re: Tobi is Fugaku (Sasuke and Itachis father)
thats not entirely true dude kakashi is known for copying jutsus after all he has over 1,000 jutsus copied and he did that with sharingan and i think that was obitos eye technique and the space time jutsu is the same as tobi well almost the same anyways kakashi and tobi and obito have similar stuff i wont say obito is tobi but it could be possible and it may not be possible but if i remember correctly tobi did seem a bit different each time he saw kakashi tobi never even bothered to attack kakashi nor said anything mean to him but thats just me.. and i usually agree with your post dude but the whole copying technique is real all tho i dont think every uchiha can do it i think only certain uchihas can do it sasuke seems like he could only copy taijutsu as it was shown when he saw rock lee's barage
Re: Tobi is Fugaku (Sasuke and Itachis father)
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'If the soul has been sealed elsewhere, they CAN'T be resurrected'.
So if madara sealed his soul into Tobi, then he could NOT have been resurrected. The half soul thing does'nt really work, as the seal minato used allowed him to talk for , like what? A few minutes and then his chakra ran out. So you're saying Tobi has managed to stay alive for decades with the partial chakra a bit of the soul being used would give...?
Also, don't say Madara might have used a better tech. His wife was an Uzumaki, who are MASTERS at sealing jutsus, they would have known better techs than anyone else.
The only thing i agreed with their is that Tobi is not Obito, unless kishi's a troll.
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'If the soul has been sealed elsewhere, they CAN'T be resurrected'.
So if madara sealed his soul into Tobi, then he could NOT have been resurrected. The half soul thing does'nt really work, as the seal minato used allowed him to talk for , like what? A few minutes and then his chakra ran out. So you're saying Tobi has managed to stay alive for decades with the partial chakra a bit of the soul being used would give...?
Also, don't say Madara might have used a better tech. His wife was an Uzumaki, who are MASTERS at sealing jutsus, they would have known better techs than anyone else.
PositiveEmotions
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Re: Tobi is Fugaku (Sasuke and Itachis father)
dude the whole obito and tobi and kakash have things in similar if u think about it but again i wont compeltly agree that tobi is obito until is proven by the manga and if it does turn out to b obito then theres gonna have to be many chapters of explinations on how it would b obito and the whole tobi and madara atm is a big confusing thing we will just have to wait and see the results
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Re: Tobi is not Madara. Period.
It must be embarrassing for everyone who agreed with this thread to read their comments again. Also...where's toadvenom's one million dollars!?
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@GermanViet.....................................................................................
1.Uchiha who awakens MS has ultimate genjutsu in one eye and ultimate ninjutsu in other one. If yr theory is right then either Kakashi or Tobi should poses ultimate genjutsu.
2.Tobi has both of is eye (if he is Obito he should have only one) which he lost during his fight with Konan (he used Izanagi).
3.If Obito is Tobi, how would u explain he age difference (Tobi is very old and Obito should have age almost equal to Kakashi's).
so i don't think Obito=Tobi
1.Uchiha who awakens MS has ultimate genjutsu in one eye and ultimate ninjutsu in other one. If yr theory is right then either Kakashi or Tobi should poses ultimate genjutsu.
2.Tobi has both of is eye (if he is Obito he should have only one) which he lost during his fight with Konan (he used Izanagi).
3.If Obito is Tobi, how would u explain he age difference (Tobi is very old and Obito should have age almost equal to Kakashi's).
so i don't think Obito=Tobi
GermanViet
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1. this is new to me and makes sense.. i dont know to be honest..
2. and 3. I explained that in my long post..
Tobi has collected a lot of Sharingans.. similiar to Danzo.. but tobi stored them.. (was in the manga somewhere..)
Tobi has been always shown with 1 eye.. howevver in fight with konan he used his "trump eye" which is borrowed from someone..
Tobi possesses (with my theory) Obito's eye.. and has space time ninjutsu.. similiar to shisui's eye which can be used once every decade he can travel through time.. side effect he will be old..
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