[Theory] [Official]The Giant Tobi Discussion/Theory Thread

[shmanton]

Re: who is the masked man

as we know a zetsu clone doesnt have memories of the person it's copying, otherwise that one wouldn't of gotten caught out by sakura =]

and you'r poll doesn't have an other charcter slot, for all we know tobi could be a complete knew charcter

 

[-Vegeta-]

Re: It may still be Madara...

Hey, it's me.

Yeah, I know it'll sound kind of stupid but hear me out anyways...
Tobi might still be Madara..... I have no concrete evidence but just a theory.

Well, I think that everyone knows the ability known as Izanagi which Madara claimed he had. But lets do a brief recap anyways...

"Izanagi is a genjutsu that is cast on the user instead of others and is the most powerful amongst this type of genjutsu. When activated, the caster removes the boundaries between reality and illusion within their personal space. To a degree this allows the user to control their own state of existence. It is normally only active for the briefest of moments."

Source: Narutopedia/Naruto.wikia

Basically, with a skilled enough user this is DA BOMB.

Well, since it allows the user to control their own state of existence, couldn't Madara have simply changed his body? Or maybe even create his own double like Muu did....? It is even mentioned that Madara is terribly weakened, so it's possible that Madara maybe even split his soul.... (I have no idea, I'm just rambling, please continue)

So, yeah that's it actually. I know it isn't as good as many of the theories out there but I didn't put much thought into it, it just occurred to me.


FLAME SHIELD ACTIVATED!!!!


Edit: He even has the 1st Hokages DNA

Double Edit: The new one knows about Nagato

This is exactly what i've said as well. I still firmly believe that Tobi is Madara.

 

[psukkar]

Tobi's identity revealed

Just thought someone should look at the recent shock in 559 regarding edo tensei madara with all the info we have.

As much as I hate to say this, it appears that it's HIGHLY likely that Tobi is madara's brother,Izuna. Dispite this I still believe Madara HAS AND WILL PLAY A BIG ROLE AS A MAJOR VILLAIN IN THE STORY as I feel Tobi and Madara have made plans to reunite and take over the world.

Spoiler

Tobi wanted Nagato to use rinne tensei for his purposes, we didnt know what that was but with Madara now thinking initally he was revived by nagato's rinne tensei it appears Tobi wanted to revive his brother Madara all along. Very important to note that madara wasnt pleased that he was revived under the nototion of it being Nagato, showing that he must have feared that Nagato could have gone rogue and deviated from tobi and his plans.

But Kabuto has ruined tobi and madara's plan, looks like tobi is rushing to Madara right now to make sure Kabuto doesnt turn madara against him. And we understand why Tobi was shocked to the point of calling kabuto a madman because how Kabuto got MADARA's DNA now is A MAJOR TALKING POINT. I can only assume Orocihmaru will play a role in his from the past afterall he was obessed with the sharingan so why not try and find the greatest uchiha to ever live, makes sense to me. Orocihmaru has already graved robbed hasihrama's body why not Madara aswell. Making me wonder what Orocihmaru's true goals really were.

Very important thing to note is the era of madara's death as this too is strong evidence that Madara and his borther tobi have made plans to take over the world. Since Madara knows about Nagato and rinne tensei that means Madara died around the time when Madara was pretending to be the muzikage. The hair styles match aswell of edo tensei madara and madara behind the muzikage when he first meet kisame. But all the way through this time Tobi was also alive at some capacity remember he wouldnt have regained his eyes probably until Madara gave them back to him during his final hours. Tobi(pretending to madara) said he did take hasihrama's cells, so with Hasihrama cells I can easily see how both Madara and his brother Tobi have stayed alive as long as they did.

Also some portions of the confession to Sasuke about Madara's actions in the past by Tobi is also VERY important to note. Tobi(pretending to be madara) said he didnt take his brother's eyes BY FORCE, now I totally belive this and during this time Tobi clenched his fist in anger when it was suggested Madara stole his brothers eyes. And it makes prefect sense why Tobi has a big grudge on konoha and the uchiha like Madara did because when Madara took his brother's eyes the clans uchiha and senju made a truce and the sacrfice was in vain. Not to mention Tobi's more recent actions being the Fox attack on konoha and his dealings with itachi/danzo to wipe out the uchiha clan.

Another thing that is making this very belieable is how much Tobi knows about konoha,uchiha, senju,rinnegan,so6p and more importantly Hasihrama. Not to mention jutsu in general, we see Tobi being incrediblly well knowable in jutsu. Also out of the abilties we have seen Tobi use his strong genjutsu skills relates back to the Sharingan and the Uchiha. Also Tobi talking over the fox against minato is a clear sign Tobi was once a MS user but more importantly that Tobi is an Uchiha and a strong one. Also all that Tobi talk about being a former shell of his former self fits in with Tobi being Izuna as he gave his eyes to Madara and weakened as a result.

At this point Tobi has fooled everyone including both Minato and Itachi quite well, because pretending to be a dead man's brother is a hard cover to break if you dont know much about Madara to begin with. For example if Tobirama and Hasihrama were alive Tobi wouldnt have fooled them as they know Madara all too well as they are all in the same era. Even Onki being as old as the third hokage was inaitally very surprised Madara was still alive at the kage summit, but even he had to accept it as true dispite actually fighting Madara. I feel Madara fought Onaki around the time Madara was controling the Muzikage. In fact next chapter PLAY CLOSE ATTENDTION TO WHAT ONKI COMMENTS ON MADARA'S MOVEMENTS AND SKILLS.

The only other people I can tolerate Tobi being is the so6p older son because the motive is still there, putting aside how likely this is if you know what I mean. Also Tobi may well be a previous Uchiha clan leader before Madara and Izuna took over. Hell he could even be Nagato with that "I gave nagato the rinnegan" talk. Tobi could even be a someone shape shifted into some else, one of the unquie powers of the rinnegan that hasnt been revisted since Nagato used the technique with Kisame and Itachi. Important to note that this allows the shape shifed being to use bloodline limits.

When it comes to this matter there's one thing that must be constant about who Tobi is and thats MOTIVE for this actions. It has to be someone that hates konoha(mainly senju), likes amassing power and wants to take over the world. Also it has to be someone wise meaning old to be as knowledgable as Tobi has shown about matters that a clearly before everyones time in the current timeline.

Althought I'm not loving this plot twist, on the birght side at least we get to see Madara fight and his EMS. Which will shed some light on the Madara vs Hasihrama fight which is another MAJOR issue that needs to addressed by kishi 10 TIMES OVER lol.

 

[brymeister]

if tobi is not madara after all then why bother pretending to be madara?

this recent manga just gave us the idea that tobi is indeed not madara.. because clearly impure world resurrection only works for those who already died..

if tobi is not who we think he is, then why bother pretending to be madara eversince?

any thoughts guys?

 

[ninjastormgenaration33]

Re: I told u told is nt madara

believe me alot of people didn't think it was and some said it's impossible for madara to be in the 6th coffin lol

Well they all feel shity now lol

 

[Rebecca Black]

Re: ~Official Poll~ New Identity?

It's Friday

Well since you asked for it xd

 

[Reshiram]

Re: It may still be Madara...

that split soul thing actually might fit together with my theory

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that would just mean that both tobi and madara are the real madara ^^

Like Kageroza and Nozomi? They once were one human, splitted up and are both Madara xD?

 

[Klubargutan]

Re: ~Official Poll~ New Identity?

kagami

 

[Kenpai]

Re: I told u told is nt madara

I been said it was Inzuna Uchiha. But noooooooo. lol well Me = 1 Nb = 0

 

[psukkar]

Re: I told u told is nt madara

Well they all feel shity now lol

well im one of them because I knew if he wasnt madara the story will get messy and maybe the story will be ruined like bleach.

 

[HeinousSs]

Re: Tobi isn't madara?? Then who is the unknown enemy behind the mask??

Izuna Uchiha IMO.

yh maybe..but his two eyes were taken by madara.and maybe he was alive and he lived that longe without eyes,cox he might be a sensory type of ninja or something else..and he don't want others to know that he don't have eyes,thats why he has a mask.and later took a sharingan and rinnegan..MY THEORY :lili:

 

[Mante]

Re: I told u told is nt madara

We all knew it was Madara in the coffin

Nt all..nd most refuced..btw jst ignore..it doesn't matter..

 

[Bluedevil]

Re: Major Spoilers! Who is Tobi?

ya but how? the only way i could think of is Ignazi but he did not have the 1st body at that point.

 

[Cyborg]

Re: if tobi is not madara after all then why bother pretending to be madara?

Good question. And it explains why the man called Tobi reacted to the 6th coffin the way he did. Well for an answer obviously this 'masked man' has a very big agenda and probably wanted to get access to powers such as those of Itachi and wished to fool the shinobi world by faking his identity.....perhaps who he really is is part of his weakness.

Maybe posing as Madara allowed him to do these things which would otherwise have been tough....although i am still amazed that he could fool the likes of Dazo, Itachi and Minato.

 

[Bolster]

Tobi is still Madara

Just read the manga and that was pretty epic!

Okay, i think that Tobi is still Madara.

Madara is resurrected by edo tensei from using his cells.
Do you remember Zabuza? He was fighting Kakashi again in the war accompanied by Haku. Then, next thing happened after he was defeated was he was summoned again by edo tensei as one of the seven swordsman.

Tobi is Madara's soul in other's body. And it is not Obito because Tobi is not using an uchiha body for the sole reason that he can't deactivate his sharingan.

It just so happens that there was a conflict in Madara's plan. His plan was to be revived by Nagato but in fact it was Kabuto who resurrected him using edo tensei.

 

[natssuu]

Re: Tobi isn't madara?? Then who is the unknown enemy behind the mask??

yh maybe..but his two eyes were taken by madara.and amybe he was alive and he ived that longe without eyes,cox he might be a sensory type of ninja or something else..and he don't want others to see he don't have his eyes,thats why he has a mask.and later took a sharingan and rinnegan..MY THEORY :lili:

I believe that Izuna and Madara had a close relationship and that Izuna really gave his mangekyo sharingans to his brother. And it shouldn't be so hard for his brother to give him someone else's eyes.

 

[Blaze Release]

Re: if tobi is not madara after all then why bother pretending to be madara?

He obviously liked the sound of madara's reputation.

Im going to create a thread in abit in order to tell the world that tobi is either izuna or kagami.

 

[shinigami123]

Re: Tobi isn't madara?? Then who is the unknown enemy behind the mask??

I think it is someone known to itachi otherwise he couldn't possibly activate sasuke's amataretsu on seeing tobi's sharingan.

 

[FirzenNaruto]

Re: if tobi is not madara after all then why bother pretending to be madara?

He's just f***ing around with everyone hoping that they'll get frustrated enough to give up the war to know his identity...

Anyways, I think he thinks that everyone will think that he has an aura of Mystery around him. (wait, wut?)

Seriously though, IF he's not Madara (stressing if), then maybe he was just banking on the name and seriously scaring the crap out of everyone who he revealed himself to. Also, he might have not counted on Kabuto to put out Madara's body....(meaning, tobi doesn't know that Madara's real body's out)

 

[shmanton]

Re: Tobi is still Madara

no zabuza summoned the seven swordsmen he didnt get summoned again. he summoned the other 6.

and no if madara's soul wasn't in the afterlife then impure world wouldn't work.

and c'mon dude accept it, tobi isn't madara, it has now been proven.