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[Rami105]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

Ehh weren't these kind of threads banned?

 

[Disquiet]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

Ehh weren't these kind of threads banned?

no

 

[EyeOfTheMoonPlan]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

no really.

 

[shmanton]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

im really getting tired of people saying tobi is obito...

c'mon that must have started as a joke and people just followed on.
surely there would be no reason for obito to be doing what he's doing, and also the age is way out! the characteristics are way out!
if someone read this and wants to flame me then please follow it on with a reason as to why obito a dedicated leaf ninja who would never hurt anyone of his friends wants to take over the world??
please?!! lol

 

[Disquiet]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

im really getting tired of people saying tobi is obito...

c'mon that must have started as a joke and people just followed on.
surely there would be no reason for obito to be doing what he's doing, and also the age is way out! the characteristics are way out!
if someone read this and wants to flame me then please follow it on with a reason as to why obito a dedicated leaf ninja who would never hurt anyone of his friends wants to take over the world??
please?!! lol

I don't think he's obito either, as you say the age doesn't add up and he really wouldn't have a reason, but I still believe that tobi isnt madara

 

[Disquiet]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

no really.

I was joking but still, I think it's obito is madara theories and not tobi is madara.

 

[laxus]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

tobi is just a simple madara zetsu clone

 

[Maina Deah]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

tobi is just a simple madara zetsu clone

tobi = zetsu clone? you sure?

 

[hunanijaz]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

i thought series will end after death of orochimaru ..but then akatsuki came ..then all members of akatsuki died and then madara came ... hahaha lolzzz ..after madara sasuke will be controlling strings PPP

 

[captainEO]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

I'd like to think that Tobi is Madara, end of story.

if Kishi is hoping for a plot twist, I can tell you that it will fail. Tobi is Madara and that's the way it should stay

 

[Maina Deah]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

I'd like to think that Tobi is Madara, end of story.

if Kishi is hoping for a plot twist, I can tell you that it will fail. Tobi is Madara and that's the way it should stay

whatever floats in your boat, I guessxd

 

[Disquiet]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

tobi = Madara not obito (who was crushed by a rock when he was a child and wouldn't be a bad guy)
It was stated that Madara had obtained some of the first hokage's dna + with his unusal large amounts of chakra, it made him immortal, which is the reason y he was able to live for so long. Kishi has revealed to us all through MANY different characters that Tobi is Madara, why would he lie about that? :shrug:

you say "revealed" but that's just it,nothing has really been revealed,the only reliable source is kisame because he saw his face,but then again kisame didn't call him madara, he told kisame he was madara and since the 4th was so quick to jump to conclusion to believe he was madara without even seeing his face but from his abilities alone then I question what exactly made itachi believe it. for now, I think he is using madara's name for fear/respect, whoever he is he's not as strong as he wants to be

 

[Sasuke2]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

doesnt mean he couldnt.

It does. He used Kunai to kill not gentle fist.

well.....if tobi is MADARA and he is using 1st hokage cells to fight ageing and not wrinkled but same as always(as you say), then, WHAT'S THE POINT IN WEARING THE MASK??
That mask is a hint that he might not be MADARA.and we cannot completely ignore that.kishi is not fool, he must have a reason behind putting him under mask even after declaring his so called "real" identity.
Tell me why is it only kisame who saw madara true face and why there is guarantee that he is not genjutsued by madara to believe its him(he looked straight into eyes both time and remember how his kisame eye reacted).I don't think there was madara posters those days who made kisame realise that yes!!HE IS MADARA when he saw him coming behind 4th mizukage. He came again in front of KISAME to remind him that he is string pulling.
And, madara with ems was "scared" from 6th coffin.(I would add 'almost').NOW TELL ME WHY MADARA, MOST POWERFUL SHINOBI (SENJU PLUS UCHIHA) WOULD BE SCARED OF SOMEONE.(unless it was his mother or girlfriend in that coffin xd).his scary behaviour gives me another hint that he is not madara.
I can't remember more reasons for the time being, if I remember I will tell you.....
NUff SAID....

He used that orange mask to act as "Tobi" and hide the fact he is alive. He then revealed he is Madara and changed the mask to resemble the Ten-Tail's eye. Im saying he has not aged since Hashirama fight, but even back then he was old ... like in 50's. Half his face is made from Zetsu mass thats why its hidden. And he was about to show his whole face to Sasuke, so theres nothing like another secret identity. In coffin is Izuna

I got the complete opposite from that memory of Kisames, for me he was trying to protect the information of Tobi/Madaras true well known identity from the ninja alliance. I say this because right when they were about to learn what his face looks like with the mind reading jutsu Kisame flipped out and broke the mental jutsu as well as his wood style restraints with willpower alone then sacrificed himself to keep it that way..

He broke that not due to them seeing his face, Kisame wanted Madara's world without lies. It was his last cry to fulfil that dream.

first of all ur reason for kisame calling him madara means he is madara is lame, since kisame is only going of what he was shown, zetsu who would be more knowledgeable in the issue still calls him tobi, kabuto who i also think has identified him also calls him tobi so the case for him NOT being the real madara is stronger.

yes u could be right that tobi actuali is madara but a lot more is pointing towards him not being madara and would also make the series more interesting..so far the best theory is the uchiha kagami (excuse the spelling) one.

Minato, Itachi called him Madara ... re-read the chapter. It was Minato who bringed up the masked man must be Madara.

don't you think that's why he has sharingan in his labortaory so tht he can use it.
there so many reason of what he can be he can technically call himself madara if he was a zetsu clone because he can take the person own chakra signature/facial features so he can call himself madara.how can madara at that time even go to the extremety to replace his body that much to a zetsu one where he doesn't feel the pain and can just replace the limbs.It's obivious that this is not his body that he is in, tobi is clearly a zetsu body with uchiha chakra which would be senju and uchiha combined in essence this would actually make sense of how he was able to combine the two clans into one body.

doesn't sound a bit crazy for someone t replace there blood flow with zetsu goo which would kill a person when orochimaru himself had blood still.orochimaru is the creator of tat soul tech not madara so how can madara switch his soul to a new body it's obvious that zetsu touched madara and took his physical features/chakra and since he also made from hashirama he has the sage body the 2 clans in one he technically is madara he has the same exact face it really wouldn't be surprising since zetsu can do it.kisame can just be fooled by a zetsu clone that transplanted his eyes for a real sharingan in his laboratory making him able to use sharingan abilites.


tobi is still more likely to be a zetsu clone of madara than the real madara himself.

Tobi is Madara ... Half his body is "repaired" with Zetsu mass. He has both blood and goo

 

[Sasuke2]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

I think that tobi has more chances of being izuna uchiha than madara. First, madara should have the EMS, but we've never seen him use it. Second, if izuna gave madara his MS, and used the sharingan laboratory to transplant new ones into his own eyes, then he would fit the profile of tobi:

Old uchia
Regular sharingans
And has much more of a reason to be angry at the world and the uchiha clan than madara does.
I'm guessing madara did die at the valley of the end, but izuna was there to collect the First's cells.

He has changed the EMS into Rinnegan. Izuna died, we have seen him dead in coffin.

madara took izuna eyes before he died and edo only resurrects people in the state in which they died and itachi and nagato had theirs when they died, equals or not many strong shinobi from the past have been revived so that wouldn't scare madara much, and he is a completely different person now even possessing the rinnegan and senju's cells,and if he is indeed madara, he said himself "I'm only a shell of my former self" and you say "secrets" because of their close relation? what does that have to do with anything? let me give you a better picture, let's say kabuto died before oro and someone revived kabuto and kabuto knows a lot of oro's secrets and that person says "I haven't told a soul" lol, what does that mean? "I haven't told anyone that I have kabuto and am now going to make him go around and tell everyone your secrets" give me a break, and if you're thinking he made izuna tell him his secrets then you're wrong because the edo either fully controls you which leaves you brain dead OR you kinda have a mind of your own in which izuna can choose not to tell kabuto anything which gets rid of that "I'm going to make kabuto tell everyone theory" and now the only thing you can possibly mean is that he's afraid of izuna beating him in battle because he knows some secret but like i said before he's different now with all new abilities and the words "I haven't told a soul" still wouldn't make any sense because him telling people he has izuna wouldn't mean anything.



you may be right

Read wiki how edo tensei work ... Izuna would/will be revived with eyes. Madara took/clawed out Izuna's eyes by force and later let him die blind in battle. Izuna and Madara were equal in power and Izuna will have his revenge.

tobi is just a simple madara zetsu clone

No. Zetsu clones have no blood. Madara has both goo and blood

 

[thechosen1]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

No Obito!

You make no sense, as I said ... their eyes were linked before he took of his mask, so it was scripted to his face of Uchiha Madara.
And the latter, he used "Tobi" to hide his identity as a leader of Akatsuki and the fact that he is alive.
Also: Tobi when used (飛) can be translated as "Jump" a reference to his teleportation power, or when (鳶) it can be translated as "Kite" which is a reference to the Japanese proverb: "a hawk born from a kite/dragon" which mean that an extraordinarily gifted child can be born from ordinary parents and in reverse. And in that coffin its Izuna


Look at your grandpa's face and add many scars and wounds

I think that Madara has the same face that he had when he was young, except maybe a lot more scars and wounds maybe. Also, you've got that right - I too do think that the big statue right outside Konoha isn't there for nothing, people would recognise him (Kisame).

 

[Sasuke2]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

I think that Madara has the same face that he had when he was young, except maybe a lot more scars and wounds maybe. Also, you've got that right - I too do think that the big statue right outside Konoha isn't there for nothing, people would recognise him (Kisame).

Thanks

 

[Sasuke2]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

Kinda offtopic:

Even I still think Tobi is Madara and most of fanbase think so too, it does not matter ... its just not relevant even if its that Ramen guy.
We know his plans but his Moon eye plan is just not possible:

The earth rotate, that mean only one side of it will be under Madara's control at time. Because The Moon is not on the sky 24/7. While at night, the one hemisphere will be under Madara's control and the second one while sun shining will be not.
Unless he has The Eye of the Sun plan as well : D

 

[Disquiet]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

Read wiki how edo tensei work ... Izuna would/will be revived with eyes. Madara took/clawed out Izuna's eyes by force and later let him die blind in battle. Izuna and Madara were equal in power and Izuna will have his revenge.

okay let' say your right about edo, where did you get the part about letting him die in battle and he would get his revenge? please don't say wiki because the manga and anime states him and his brother were on good terms when they died at least that's what madara says and you believe madara has no reason to lie about anything, but even all this is irrevelant,you didn't even address my other parts, so he want his revenge, so what? what's the secret that kabuto don't want anyone to know? that he brought his brother back? kabuto has brought back many other ninja, I doubt madara could take them all, you want to say equals? he would have gotten destroyed trying to fight them all,itachi,nagato and all those kages would have been a bigger threat to him than izuna, lol. and this time please address my questions, because all who's reading this would probably agree that it looks like you're losing this between you and me since I already countered this reply in my previous post to you. darn it, I'm going to have to be leaving soon, will reply back some other time

 

[Sasuke2]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

okay let' say your right about edo, where did you get the part about letting him die in battle and he would get his revenge? please don't say wiki because the manga and anime states him and his brother were on good terms when they died at least that's what madara says and you believe madara has no reason to lie about anything, but even all this is irrevelant,you didn't even address my other parts, so he want his revenge, so what? what's the secret that kabuto don't want anyone to know? that he brought his brother back? kabuto has brought back many other ninja, I doubt madara could take them all, you want to say equals? he would have gotten destroyed trying to fight them all,itachi,nagato and all those kages would have been a bigger threat to him than izuna, lol. and this time please address my questions, because all who's reading this would probably agree that it looks like you're losing this between you and me since I already countered this reply in my previous post to you.

Izuna has not given his eyes to Madara with free and good will. Madara has clawed them out by force as in Itachi's version. Answer this, he has send him to battle blind ... if Madara wanted Izuna alive, why he has just not transplanted another Sharingan eyes or even just normal human eyes to him ?
He let him battle blind. And Kabuto's secret is his "anti-hashirama" poison. If he would give it to Naruto for example, Madara is defeated.
The poison neutralizes Hashirama's power and Naruto's chakra transform it into trees.
-poison
-naruto's chakra
=madara defeated

 

[Disquiet]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

Izuna has not given his eyes to Madara with free and good will. Madara has clawed them out by force as in Itachi's version. Answer this, he has send him to battle blind ... if Madara wanted Izuna alive, why he has just not transplanted another Sharingan eyes or even just normal human eyes to him ?
He let him battle blind. And Kabuto's secret is his "anti-hashirama" poison. If he would give it to Naruto for example, Madara is defeated.
The poison neutralizes Hashirama's power and Naruto's chakra transform it into trees.
-poison
-naruto's chakra
=madara defeated

okay, my last reply since I have to go, when did he send him into battle blind? and let's not forget that izuna is a grown man, not a child, if he wanted someone's eyes he could have gotten them himself, so I don't know what "let" him battle blind means. and what the heck is "anti-hashirama" poison and anyway he told tobi "I haven't told a soul" after tobi immediately saw who was in the coffin, the secret was related to the person in the coffin, not some poision.