[Theory] [Official]The Giant Tobi Discussion/Theory Thread
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darkraikiri
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Re: Tobi is not Madara. Period.
But for now, I'm gonna go with 'Tobi is just Tobi.' =D
No one said Tobi had to be an Uchiha. =l The manga's getting crazier as it is. I wouldn't be surprised if he's introduced as someone slightly mentioned before, but never went in detail about.
But for now, I'm gonna go with 'Tobi is just Tobi.' =D
Re: Tobi is not Madara. Period.
I agree that Tobi isn't Madara.
First what is the use of a mask. We know how his face looks like.
Second why is kish hiding his EMS, we already saw Madara's EMS
Third why does every time he talks to people he announces himself as Me or I Uchiha Madara. He talks in the 3rd person.
fourth why would a dead person scare him so much.
Also Madara wasn't evil, he just wanted to be a leader. Tobi wants to destroy everything
Madara is one of the greatest shinobies in the world, the only person that can actually match his power is the 1st hokage (because of the kyuubi). If one were to meet him on the battle field they would flee. The same could have happened if a blond haired shinobi pretended to be Minato (please don't make an argument about this statement its a hypothetical statement),they would probably be a lot more cautious with Madara.
I agree that Tobi isn't Madara.
First what is the use of a mask. We know how his face looks like.
Second why is kish hiding his EMS, we already saw Madara's EMS
Third why does every time he talks to people he announces himself as Me or I Uchiha Madara. He talks in the 3rd person.
fourth why would a dead person scare him so much.
Also Madara wasn't evil, he just wanted to be a leader. Tobi wants to destroy everything
Madara is one of the greatest shinobies in the world, the only person that can actually match his power is the 1st hokage (because of the kyuubi). If one were to meet him on the battle field they would flee. The same could have happened if a blond haired shinobi pretended to be Minato (please don't make an argument about this statement its a hypothetical statement),they would probably be a lot more cautious with Madara.
Re: Tobi is not Madara. Period.
ummm... now i could be wrong, but how does this chapter NOT prove tobi is madara? I mean i guess you could say madara dressed up like tobi, but the title of the chapter(written by kishi) and that question/statement thing in the first box both pretty much say that Madara is confronting Danzo. I mean "What does madara want with danzo...?" could mean Madara sent Tobi after him(if they were seperate), but then why would Kishi have titled it Madara's true strength if it didnt really have to do with Madara?
I mean isnt that Kishi saying Madara is facing Danzo and his root toys... i mean soldiers... in this chapter? He doesnt say Tobi's true power, so unless you want to say Madara dresses up like tobi, but they are still seperate...
As for the coffin, well, he might be a bit worried about his brother, or if he had one, his wife if they were in that coffin...
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ummm... now i could be wrong, but how does this chapter NOT prove tobi is madara? I mean i guess you could say madara dressed up like tobi, but the title of the chapter(written by kishi) and that question/statement thing in the first box both pretty much say that Madara is confronting Danzo. I mean "What does madara want with danzo...?" could mean Madara sent Tobi after him(if they were seperate), but then why would Kishi have titled it Madara's true strength if it didnt really have to do with Madara?
I mean isnt that Kishi saying Madara is facing Danzo and his root toys... i mean soldiers... in this chapter? He doesnt say Tobi's true power, so unless you want to say Madara dresses up like tobi, but they are still seperate...
As for the coffin, well, he might be a bit worried about his brother, or if he had one, his wife if they were in that coffin...
Re: Tobi is not Madara. Period.
Have you perhaps considered that Kishi might want everyone to think Tobi is Madara in order to pull off a surprise near the end? If you read his brother's manga, the ultimate villian turned out to be someone completely unexpected. They are twins, I believe Kishi is going to pull of a surprise, it is hard to argue against this.
Madara has been shown, including his EM sharingan. Whats with the Mask? Why not show his eyes?
If he has the ultimate sharingan, why is he collecting eyes? Isnt EMS unestuingishable?
Hes been called Mizukage, Tobi, and Madara. Which one is he?
His body isnt even his body, Its Zetsu's
His eye jutsu is much like Kakashi's but in reverse. Both Kakashi and Tobi are the only ones who do not have the regular sharingan jutsus (amaterasu, etc)
Kabuto said, dont worry, i wont tell anyone about your little secret. This was after he showed him what was in the box.
Everytime he admitted he was Madara, it always sounded off and awkward. Very suspicious.
The only way i can think of Tobi being Madara is if he somehow managed to seal his Chakara into his own sharingan after the first destroyed his body.
Perhaps he was able to move his eye alone by getting it to perform the teleport jutsu
Then perhaps he came across Zetsu, and got him to create a body for him which allows itself to be used through the sharingan placed within it.
Or another theory could be that he went to orochimaru who was doing experiments with the 1st's DNA. Maybe Madara got orochimaru to createdZetsu by experimenting on ninjas, maybe he promised him eyes from his sharingan collection for leverage.
That would be the only way I could imagine Tobi being madara. Other then that, I am more inclined to believe that he is someone else all-together
Have you perhaps considered that Kishi might want everyone to think Tobi is Madara in order to pull off a surprise near the end? If you read his brother's manga, the ultimate villian turned out to be someone completely unexpected. They are twins, I believe Kishi is going to pull of a surprise, it is hard to argue against this.
Madara has been shown, including his EM sharingan. Whats with the Mask? Why not show his eyes?
If he has the ultimate sharingan, why is he collecting eyes? Isnt EMS unestuingishable?
Hes been called Mizukage, Tobi, and Madara. Which one is he?
His body isnt even his body, Its Zetsu's
His eye jutsu is much like Kakashi's but in reverse. Both Kakashi and Tobi are the only ones who do not have the regular sharingan jutsus (amaterasu, etc)
Kabuto said, dont worry, i wont tell anyone about your little secret. This was after he showed him what was in the box.
Everytime he admitted he was Madara, it always sounded off and awkward. Very suspicious.
The only way i can think of Tobi being Madara is if he somehow managed to seal his Chakara into his own sharingan after the first destroyed his body.
Perhaps he was able to move his eye alone by getting it to perform the teleport jutsu
Then perhaps he came across Zetsu, and got him to create a body for him which allows itself to be used through the sharingan placed within it.
Or another theory could be that he went to orochimaru who was doing experiments with the 1st's DNA. Maybe Madara got orochimaru to createdZetsu by experimenting on ninjas, maybe he promised him eyes from his sharingan collection for leverage.
That would be the only way I could imagine Tobi being madara. Other then that, I am more inclined to believe that he is someone else all-together
eyesofthekyuubi44
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You know what, this thread has proved to me who Tobi really is.
Tupac Shakur. We know that mother ****er was alive this whole time.
You know what, this thread has proved to me who Tobi really is.
Tupac Shakur. We know that mother ****er was alive this whole time.
kisamexRocks
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Or perhaps he used his EMS at some point perhaps to save his life after the battle against Hashirama and was unable to restore them to their rightful power. As hinted when he wanted to revive the Jubi, it was to revive/restore his eyes. So his EMS must have worn out somehow or dissipated. Since he had his EMS when he first controlled the fox, he then from that point has never been shown his MS or his EMS. So he must have lost it during that fight.
Re: Tobi is not Madara. Period.
I'd also like to know what on earth does Madara want from Sasuke? At this point, Sasuke is NOTHING compared to Madara, so why would he need Sasuke for his plans with the 10 tails? he mentioned something about facing the (mind you I forget all these biju names) 10 tails and thats why he sent him in agains all the kages to get some training and gain some strength.
I'd also like to know what on earth does Madara want from Sasuke? At this point, Sasuke is NOTHING compared to Madara, so why would he need Sasuke for his plans with the 10 tails? he mentioned something about facing the (mind you I forget all these biju names) 10 tails and thats why he sent him in agains all the kages to get some training and gain some strength.
kisamexRocks
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He was the 3rd Mizukage, who eventually controlled the actions of the 4th Mizukage. He might have become leader due to his strength and power, seeing as how strong he was, the nation would be beneficial if he were in charge, or he just used Genjutsu on the others and appointed himself Mizukage. Like how Pain was leader in the hidden village in the rain. No one from the outside knew what was happening because every information was controlled and changed.
He was the 3rd Mizukage, who eventually controlled the actions of the 4th Mizukage. He might have become leader due to his strength and power, seeing as how strong he was, the nation would be beneficial if he were in charge, or he just used Genjutsu on the others and appointed himself Mizukage. Like how Pain was leader in the hidden village in the rain. No one from the outside knew what was happening because every information was controlled and changed.
Re: Tobi is not Madara. Period.
Oooooo thats possible.thanks dude.i think he want sasuke to become sample to test the gedo mazo .he said that the gedo mazo is unstable so he wants sasuke to get sync with it to complete the sealing of all bijju's.to create jyuubi.what do think about it
i miss out one piont, madara will transplant rinnegan to sasuke.maybe.just a thought.
Oooooo thats possible.thanks dude.i think he want sasuke to become sample to test the gedo mazo .he said that the gedo mazo is unstable so he wants sasuke to get sync with it to complete the sealing of all bijju's.to create jyuubi.what do think about it
i miss out one piont, madara will transplant rinnegan to sasuke.maybe.just a thought.
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Non Uchiha? Well, if He is like Kakashi then He has like Kakashi a limit on His body. Non Uchiha bodies cannot stand the strain of prolong use the sharigan, as seen by the many times Kakashi used it and ended up in bead.
Re: Tobi is not Madara. Period.
Im just waiting for the part where Tobi looks at Sasuke and sais "Sasuke, you must fulfil your destiny, you must bring the Uchiha clan back to what it was."
"Sasuke......."
"I'm you're father!"
I guess theres no point of trying to figure things out. This Manga is as twisted as Kishi's mind is. So he can do and turn anything he wants to what he wants
If Tobi is Madara...then Madara has managed to find the 4th stage sharingen...Something that NO one in the whole ninja has achieved!....a.k.a a haircut!
Seems like he's the only one whos hair changed
Im just waiting for the part where Tobi looks at Sasuke and sais "Sasuke, you must fulfil your destiny, you must bring the Uchiha clan back to what it was."
"Sasuke......."
"I'm you're father!"
I guess theres no point of trying to figure things out. This Manga is as twisted as Kishi's mind is. So he can do and turn anything he wants to what he wants
If Tobi is Madara...then Madara has managed to find the 4th stage sharingen...Something that NO one in the whole ninja has achieved!....a.k.a a haircut!
Seems like he's the only one whos hair changed
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Re: Tobi is not Madara. Period.
He is Madara untill proven otherwise.
The only thing that is safe to assume is that he is not Obito.
He is Madara untill proven otherwise.
The only thing that is safe to assume is that he is not Obito.
Re: Tobi is not Madara. Period.
I can acknowledge that Kishi could just be lying about Madara. But then, what does that say about all the OTHER info kishi has given us.... like Naruto's parents and such, all of that would become suspect if you believe Kishi will lie to add twists. And i dont mean villians lieing to obviously brain damaged children , like sasuke... or good guys lieing to underdeveloped due to neglect children, like Naruto... I mean KISHI in his titles and those question statement things.... examples...
and well, there are lots of time in the last couple of chapters but here is the first one, where KISHI says Kushina is naruto's mother
Again, those links are when KISHI says these things, not when any of the characters say it. If we cant believe the Madara bit, then for all we know the 4th and Kushina are just manipulating Naruto....
Anyways, while i havent read his brothers manga, i dont think i have at least, i would like to point out that the way you described it is a slightly different thing. You made it sound more like his brother did the akatsuki thing, public main bad guy with someone else pulling the strings. Which you know kishi did copy. Did his brother tell everyone reading the manga that the string puller was one person( and not have characters name the person, but ACTUALLY name him) and then make him someone else in the end? Because if not, well like i said, it sounds more like the akatsuki thing...
I can acknowledge that Kishi could just be lying about Madara. But then, what does that say about all the OTHER info kishi has given us.... like Naruto's parents and such, all of that would become suspect if you believe Kishi will lie to add twists. And i dont mean villians lieing to obviously brain damaged children , like sasuke... or good guys lieing to underdeveloped due to neglect children, like Naruto... I mean KISHI in his titles and those question statement things.... examples...
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on the side it calls the person who pulled him away Naruto's father... i wasnt talking about the dialogue.
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again along the sideand well, there are lots of time in the last couple of chapters but here is the first one, where KISHI says Kushina is naruto's mother
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Again, those links are when KISHI says these things, not when any of the characters say it. If we cant believe the Madara bit, then for all we know the 4th and Kushina are just manipulating Naruto....
Anyways, while i havent read his brothers manga, i dont think i have at least, i would like to point out that the way you described it is a slightly different thing. You made it sound more like his brother did the akatsuki thing, public main bad guy with someone else pulling the strings. Which you know kishi did copy. Did his brother tell everyone reading the manga that the string puller was one person( and not have characters name the person, but ACTUALLY name him) and then make him someone else in the end? Because if not, well like i said, it sounds more like the akatsuki thing...
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Kagami Uchiha Theory - Tobi/Madara theory
sorry if some of my grammar is off im like half asleep.lol
If you think about it ,Kagami Uchiha makes more sense being Tobi then Madara does. Kagami Uchiha was taught by the second (the same guy the 4th based his space time techs on)so that would explain tobis abilities, he was also on the same team as the 4 elders(the third, danzo and the other two current elders), they were the only ones who knew about the massacre so it's possible that their team mate(Kagami) had a hand in it as well. and it would explain why he still hides his face even tho he himself(tobi) says that he's madara and everyone else seems to think so as well so what does he gain by hiding himself if he really is Madara? and what could possibly make "MADARA" of all people stop in his tracks and SUBMIT to kabuto by letting him on the team??? nothing... if he really is madara he shouldn't give a damn whose in that last coffin. but since he was obviously worried about the contents and let kabuto on the team because he doesn't want anyone else to see those content, it would only make sense that it's madara in there(the coffin). thats why we weren't shown who it was. that is the only explanation to the scenario... tobi not being madara and kabuto exposing that is the ONLY THING that could **** his plan up. it is sooo obvious that he's just using madaras name and prowess. Him being kagami would also explain why Kishi-sama decided to put that flashback for danzo in there. The flashback is the only place you see kagami and it showed that he survived with the rest of his team mates thanks to his sensei, the 2nd hokage. It also shows his connection to those who were responsible for the uchiha massacre. and if he already knew about the MS and EMS he would be all about having a hand in the massacre of his own clan. im not saying that this is fact but how can anyone say that it doesn't make sense? with all those dumb theories out there like tobi being Obito or him being madara in another body or even being madara in a old ass 100 year(just a rough estimate) old body. if yall can believe all that nonsense then why the hell is it so hard too believe that it could be Kagami???
(Kagami means mirror (鏡). Mirrors are heavily associated with Uchiha. For example, mangekyō (万華鏡, kaleidoscope) in Mangekyō Sharingan literally means mirror of ten thousand flowers.)
(His hairstyle resembles that of Shisui Uchiha) just extra info from the web.
Don't mind debate but please no bashing anyone. thank you.
sorry if some of my grammar is off im like half asleep.lol
If you think about it ,Kagami Uchiha makes more sense being Tobi then Madara does. Kagami Uchiha was taught by the second (the same guy the 4th based his space time techs on)so that would explain tobis abilities, he was also on the same team as the 4 elders(the third, danzo and the other two current elders), they were the only ones who knew about the massacre so it's possible that their team mate(Kagami) had a hand in it as well. and it would explain why he still hides his face even tho he himself(tobi) says that he's madara and everyone else seems to think so as well so what does he gain by hiding himself if he really is Madara? and what could possibly make "MADARA" of all people stop in his tracks and SUBMIT to kabuto by letting him on the team??? nothing... if he really is madara he shouldn't give a damn whose in that last coffin. but since he was obviously worried about the contents and let kabuto on the team because he doesn't want anyone else to see those content, it would only make sense that it's madara in there(the coffin). thats why we weren't shown who it was. that is the only explanation to the scenario... tobi not being madara and kabuto exposing that is the ONLY THING that could **** his plan up. it is sooo obvious that he's just using madaras name and prowess. Him being kagami would also explain why Kishi-sama decided to put that flashback for danzo in there. The flashback is the only place you see kagami and it showed that he survived with the rest of his team mates thanks to his sensei, the 2nd hokage. It also shows his connection to those who were responsible for the uchiha massacre. and if he already knew about the MS and EMS he would be all about having a hand in the massacre of his own clan. im not saying that this is fact but how can anyone say that it doesn't make sense? with all those dumb theories out there like tobi being Obito or him being madara in another body or even being madara in a old ass 100 year(just a rough estimate) old body. if yall can believe all that nonsense then why the hell is it so hard too believe that it could be Kagami???
(Kagami means mirror (鏡). Mirrors are heavily associated with Uchiha. For example, mangekyō (万華鏡, kaleidoscope) in Mangekyō Sharingan literally means mirror of ten thousand flowers.)
(His hairstyle resembles that of Shisui Uchiha) just extra info from the web.
Don't mind debate but please no bashing anyone. thank you.
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Re: Kagami Uchiha Theory - Tobi/Madara theory
but any way thanks for the reply and request Kushan.
J.S.W
thank you very much my friend. when i tell people this theory i usually get the response you just gave or i get the whole "no way, you dont know what you talking about" reply. Not that i dont mind debating my belief, it's just that it seems as tho most people just want to argue not discuss, you know??
but any way thanks for the reply and request Kushan.
J.S.W
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