Obito3631 vs Immortal Itachi: Is Hidan Greater Than Hiruzen, Tsunade, Kisame, Gai?

[Micho22]

Hidan has a chance against old Hiruzen and Tsunade.

Tsunade stomps him
Kisame stomps him
Gai stomps him
Nothing can change that fact

Moron fanboys woud agree otherwise

 

[ToshiZO]

Hidan has the advantage against Gai and Tsunade.....whats your point? He beats them. Hiruzen...nope Hiruzen > Hidan anyday. Hidan has some chance against Kisame if he plays his cards right. But Gai and Tsunade...Gai especially Hidan beats him 100 times out of 100.

 

[TheEvilOne]

Hidan has the advantage against Gai and Tsunade....0.

Tsunade wins against him with mid diff at best. If she has intel, she stomps.

Guy can break his bones, Hidan won't die, but at least he won't be able to attack.

 

[ToshiZO]

Tsunade wins against him with mid diff at best. If she has intel, she stomps.

Guy can break his bones, Hidan won't die, but at least he won't be able to attack.

I think it should already be set in stone that taijutsu no matter how powerful will not affect Hidan. Broken bones do not affect Hidan in the least...he can have every bone in his body crushed but as long as his limbs arent dismembered he can do anything he pleases. Tsunade is too slow and only relies on punches that isnt doing much for her...punching Hidan no matter how powerful it is will not hinder him one bit...the only issue is byakugo but ofcourse once he gets her blood he can repeatedly stab the shit out of her until she cant take no more...its fine for him there has to be a limit to it.

 

[TheEvilOne]

I think it should already be set in stone that taijutsu no matter how powerful will not affect Hidan. Broken bones do not affect Hidan in the least...he can have every bone in his body crushed but as long as his limbs arent dismembered he can do anything he pleases. Tsunade is too slow and only relies on punches that isnt doing much for her...punching Hidan no matter how powerful it is will not hinder him one bit...the only issue is byakugo but ofcourse once he gets her blood he can repeatedly stab the shit out of her until she cant take no more...its fine for him there has to be a limit to it.

Tsunade's punch was so powerful that it forced Orochimaru to retreat, it was so powerful that it shattered the V1 Susanoo and knocked down the V3 Susanoo. Moreover, a direct hit from her can destroy a human's upper body.
Hidan isn't faster than Tsunade. In the 3rd databook they both have 3, 5 points is speed.


And what happens if he gots the blood? Hm? Do you really think Tsunade would let him to finish his ritual circle? Do you really think Tsunade is so foolish?

 

[Bantos]

I think it should already be set in stone that taijutsu no matter how powerful will not affect Hidan. Broken bones do not affect Hidan in the least...he can have every bone in his body crushed but as long as his limbs arent dismembered he can do anything he pleases. Tsunade is too slow and only relies on punches that isnt doing much for her...punching Hidan no matter how powerful it is will not hinder him one bit...the only issue is byakugo but ofcourse once he gets her blood he can repeatedly stab the shit out of her until she cant take no more...its fine for him there has to be a limit to it.

Oh God. He is still a HUMAN. If you break his legs he's not moving anymore. Geez.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Ok since AGoodboy did what I was going to do (with less detailed) I won't bother touching up what I want to point out. He did miss Tsunade so this is what I would of pointed out:

Now, Hidan will first and foremost have no chance of drawing blood from Tsunade, consuming the blood, drawing his symbol, and performing the curse (boy, that's a mouthful. How can Hidan hope to have time to use this against anybody?).

You made an thread about this that I remembered. How can you make a rational conclusion that Hidan isn't able to finish the circle? First you have to ignore NV logic when someone is performing a jutsu then you have to take someone out-of-character to speed blitz with no knowledge on what he is doing. Your doing both of these things. Indeed that Tsunade is strictly taijutsu but she also doesn't know Hidan's unorthodox symbolism she is not going to rush in without knowing the danger of breaching him in combat without a plan. You need to reason with this situation in play and you need to reason that, even though he has to do all "4" things to complete the symbol, Hidan can do it with especially in the NV. Conclusion: Rationalize the time Hidan completing his ritual while putting Tsunade in character in this fight.

The rest of your points make this debatable except for one more misconception:

Tsunade's punch managed to break of pieces of Madara's Susano'o. Unless you think Hidan > Susano'o, Tsunade's single punch cleaves of Hidan's head. A good punch to the gut will cause him to implode.

First you are using ABC logic. "Since Susano is harder then Hidan's body therefore what Tsunade did to Susano will be ten-times worst to what happens if Hidan gets hit by your physical attacks".(Paraphrasing your words)

Here is why that argument wont work. When you view Sakura's new upgrade, it is clear that her enhance strength has surpass Tsunade:

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I also want you to look carefully at this scan. Notice what happen when Juubi clone took her punch. Now by no means does Juubi clone have the same physical feats as these ninja's but you are also neglecting Hidan's immortality feats. Not only you but some others in NB that Physical damage does nothing to Hidan. Heres an observation that I notice when Hidan taking physical damage:

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I think I need to make a whole thread about this:

Concerning Hidan "Is Done For, When Taking Internal Damage".

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Here you see his ribcage, etc body part, was pierce.

Edit:

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Hidan breaking his own femur.

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Here you see Shikimaru sewing, punching in, and strapping down his body.


And last, he took a took a blast that should of broken down his body from the inside due to it's pressure:

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My point was breaking his body shows no sign that effects him from being immobile. His body has to literally be separated from each other in order to be immobile

The easiest analogy to explain Hidan physical feats is to use rock, paper, scissors.
-Ninjutus/Physical damage(ROCK)
-Paper (HIDAN)
-Scissors (Anything move that cuts or can decapitate)

Thats all I want to clear up that AGoodBoy didn't cover

 

[AGoodBoy]

Oh God. He is still a HUMAN. If you break his legs he's not moving anymore. Geez.

That doesn't matter. He's immortal and has shown incredible durability. He isn't dying to a pounding that's why you need to incapacitate him by dismembering him.

 

[MisterEggPirate88]

I honestly think Hidan has a shot against Hiruzen and Guy..

Your incorrect assumption about the explosive tags

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You've taken shikamaru's attack and skewed it greatly. There's alot of physics involved into why shikamaru's attacks even cut hidan up, and you seem to have missed it all.

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For one: Shikamaru had hidan wrapped up in those thin copper wires which held tightly onto his body. Those very thin wires act as tiny blades all over his body and would dig into his skin slightly - they didn't cut through him yet because they weren't wrapped tightly enough. These copper wires also served the additional purpose of holding him in place during the blast - I'll get to this later, but it'd basically stop hidan from moving around so he'd take the full force of the explosions.

Then: We see hidan is riddled with explosive tags. Each and every tag exerts a force in all directions (all 3 planes on an x,y,z plane) that'd cause the explosion of each tag to collide with the explosion of it's neighbouring tag. That'd effectively create a force in opposite directions and pull that part of the intersecting explosion apart/Create cuts at that intersection. The explosions would also cause the wires to dig more into hidan's skin while they are going off, causing his skin to by cut and pulled apart - As the tags explode, he'd be pushed in different directions and pressed tightly onto the wires, causing them to cut deeper and deeper until they simply slice through. *this is all very brief of course*

The outcome would be hidan being sliced up by the copper wires.

NB: Hidan wasn't even damaged by the explosion. His skin was damaged, nor did he suffer any injuries. He was only cut apart by the copper wires - Evidenced by the fact that he had

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Therefore, not only are we told that guy isn't 'blowing him up' with morning peacock/hirudora, but it also tells us that

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isn't killing him.

Hidan vs Guy

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Hidan is a superb taijutsu user, and his abilities with taijutsu really can't be understated. Even against a taijutsu specialist(asuma), hidan was too much of an overwhelming force for him to handle - even with the aid of shikamaru.

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Then, there's the fact that his scythe's reach can be extended by swinging it from the handle. The fact that guy isn't too smart would make it far from likely that he'd even figure out that hidan needs to be within the sealing circle. For that matter, he'd die if hidan gets blood. Because Guy is exclusively taijutsu, he'd always be up close and personal with hidan and risking his life everytime he attacked hidan. Add to this the fact that guy really doesn't have attacks to dismember anyone means that he would most likely lose.
Hidan was only blown up by the explosive tags because of the sheer number of them riddling his entire body causing a ripple of explosions in different directions, effectively pulling his body apart. Guy has no such strategy to do something like that, and infact, hidan was only cut into pieces by the explosions and wasn't even blown up. That already shows us that the force of the explosions (going in opposite directions) was only strong enough to rip apart his joints, and couldn't even bypass hidan's skin; thus showing us how durable hidan's immortal body really is. This is further exemplified by the fact that shikamaru could

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( and hidan heals all wounds as we know). Infact, guy would pretty much have to stand infront of hidan and just pull his limbs from the sockets to dismember him, but that's unlikely as;

1) Guy would never have any reason to assume he's immortal - He could simply think that hidan is very durable and that's why he's tanking all his hits.
2) Going in so close and staying there for any extended period of time would spell disaster as that would give hidan ample time to get blood, even if he had to simply bite guy. From there, guy is screwed as his opponent is still immortal and now has blood. He'd just need to get back and draw up his circle which would be made easier if guy was already exhausted from opening gates
3) Guy would most likely be exhausted by the point he realises hidan is immortal. Guy is reckless, and we've seen how easily he just opens his gates against seemingly strong opponents. Hidans superior taijutsu and durability would give him reason to open gates and pound him - Which would be ineffective. Guy would then be experiencing gate whiplash and won't be able to effectively counter hidan's taijutsu which would only need a drop of blood.
4) Guy could quite possibly killed early as he has no way(regeneration) of surviving 'god's judgement'

At the end of the day, Guy would lose because of the fact that, by the point he even notices hidan is immortal, he'd most likely be exhausted. Or, less likely but possible, hidan would be able to gather a drop of blood as his scythe attacks can be unpredictable at times. This may sound impossible, but don't forget, Guy has no punch and kick hidan while hidan's using a very sharp scyth. Guy will also be doing this in base during the initial phase of the fight as he'd have no reason to think his opponent was immortal, or even needed blood for his main attack.

*This fight i find really unlikely for hidan to lose especially without intel*

NB: Hidan can do his circle very quickly by simply using his foot.

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Hidan vs Hiruzen

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Based on hiruzens current manga showing, he really can't beat hidan. Sure, Enma can be used to keep hidan at a distance and counter the scythe. But, if it's old hiruzen, the amount of time he can fight for is extremely low and he'd start losing stamina at a very excessive rate.


Now, let's compare [my refute of your assumptions] to basically any other jutsu/technique. IF hiruzen were to hit him with a fireball, not only would he be missing the copper wires to help cut hidan into pieces, there'd be no resulting forces, going in several directions, pulling his body apart. The force of the attack would simply spread all over his body and blast would toss him backwards. A katon attack like this could be deadly against an ordinary opponent since it'd destroy cells and cause severe damage that would lead to their death, but hidan's immortal so we already know that won't be effective. Then, there's also

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which basically tells us that an explosion doesn't phase hidan, let alone kill him/blow him into pieces.


All hiruzen's other [displayed] jutsu's are useless in this fight.
Hiruzen gets exhausted and killed. All that's needed is one drop of blood.

Hiruzen only wins this fight when we see some more jutsu from him - if they can even change the outcome that is.

NB: RDS will never work since hiruzen has to hold hidan. Hidan would get a drop of blood if hiruzen is stupid enough to do that. Old hiruzen hasn't shown the speed or agility feats to allow us to assume that he can even dodge all of hidan's attacks.

It is HIGHLY Likely that hidan gets a hit in on these guys since they don't have sharingan precognition to aid them against his superb taijutsu and unpredictable scyth attacks.



As for Tsunade and Kisame, I won't even argue that because tsunade wins mid diff, and kisame shits on him. Kisame is too long ranged for hidan, heals, and

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Tsunade can dissolve him with katsuya, and the blood he would no doubt get from her would do nothing because of byakugo.

I agree with almost everything 100%, but Tsunades Byakugo costs her so much chakra while Hidan can just continue stabbing himself and tsunade has no way of bringing him out of the circle without hurting herself, when Hidan is already in his circle.

Against Kisame, Hidans CQC skills are at least equal or even better, so i dont know why Hidan shouldnt be able to get one single scratch on Kisame

 

[ToshiZO]

lmao first of all Hidan's mobility is a 3.5 the databook doesnt show his evasion speed Asuma is faster than both Tsunade and Hidan yet he couldnt hope to land a hit on Hidan even with the help of Shikamaru. Also....I dont know how many times I have to say this but...broken legs wont do anything. Its the same as broken bones...the guy constantly breaks his own bones but moves around as if nothing had happened....he is not a regular case human.

here Ill quote myself from a past thread

um....yes he can.

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Any ninja wouldnt be able to move much less laugh it off, just take Asuma for an example he cant even get up, cause its physically impossible with virtually half the bones crushed in your body including your spine probably. Infact I think its impossible for a normal human...no matter who you are in the show to move around with that many broken bones your body even if you were immortal couldn't move cause of the bone structure being disrupted (so I dont know how Hidan does it, but he can). Any ninja couldn't take a move like this

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(which is literally ripping trees right off the ground and crushing them into pieces),

from point blank range

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, and not have his body ripped into shreds. Hidan can straight up tank hits that maybe a collect few could without suffering any drawbacks from their bodies.

The easiest analogy to explain Hidan physical feats is to use rock, paper, scissors.
-Ninjutus/Physical damage(ROCK)
-Paper (HIDAN)
-Scissors (Anything move that cuts or can decapitate)

Right here everyone needs to look at this..this sums it up.

@EjBlack
I feel you man I dont know how many times ive had to explain Hidans ability to be mobile with broken bones

 

[AGoodBoy]

Thats all I want to clear up that AGoodBoy didn't cover

Thanks, I didn't realise all the people who actually thought that punching hidan/inflicting internal damage would affect hidan. It seems people still don't notice hidan can heal (Stabbing himself in leg and heart and showing no wounds or anything).

I agree with almost everything 100%, but Tsunades Byakugo costs her so much chakra while Hidan can just continue stabbing himself and tsunade has no way of bringing him out of the circle without hurting herself, when Hidan is already in his circle.

Against Kisame, Hidans CQC skills are at least equal or even better, so i dont know why Hidan shouldnt be able to get one single scratch on Kisame

Yea, I didn't cover tsunade and kisame entirely because i assumed it'd be understood they win. Kisame especially...

Tsunade can hold up byakugo for long, and katsuya gives her a position which is hard to reach for hidan. The main factor here is that hidan's ritual won't work on tsunade for the duration of byakugo and she can continue ponding him/drawing him into position to be dissolved. She could even pull his limbs out (something guy can't do since he'd get killed but tsunade would just keep tanking hidan's suicide stabs).

EDIT: I forgot to add kisame. Kisame has a ton of water jutsu and the shark bombs. The main point is that he never needs to engage hidan in CQC. Infact, A kisamehade fusion would kill him as nothing suggests hidans immortality extends to having 0 chakra (which effectively means your lifeforce is gone).
Sorry but i don't want to get into a lengthy arguement for either of these 2 lol. i already wrote up that wall for hiruzen and guy T_T

lmao first of all Hidan's mobility is a 3.5 the databook doesnt show his evasion speed Asuma is faster than both Tsunade and Hidan yet he couldnt hope to land a hit on Hidan even with the help of Shikamaru. Also....I dont know how many times I have to say this but...broken legs wont do anything. Its the same as broken bones...the guy constantly breaks his own bones but moves around as if nothing had happened....he is not a regular case human.

here Ill quote myself from a past thread

it's like speaking to walls bud. Hidan isn't that great, but sometimes his strength is extremely understated. :/

 

[TheEvilOne]

lmao first of all Hidan's mobility is a 3.5 the databook doesnt show his evasion speed Asuma is faster than both Tsunade and Hidan yet he couldnt hope to land a hit on Hidan even with the help of Shikamaru. Also....I dont know how many times I have to say this but...broken legs wont do anything. Its the same as broken bones...the guy constantly breaks his own bones but moves around as if nothing had happened....he is not a regular case human.

As a medical ninja, Tsunade has very good reaction time and has very good evasive skills. Hidan won't be able to scratch her. Oh, and what stops Tsunade from grabbing his scythe and breaking it?

Are you telling me Hidan can move after a punch which was powerful enough to knock down an 50 m high V3 Susanoo? ***** please.

And you still didn't countered my post about the ritual circle.

 

[ToshiZO]

LOL? So Hidan isnt gonna be able to scratch Tsunade? Hidan has shown some of the best evasion as his power requires him to pinpoint, gather blood and perform the ritual. Regarding the ritual it depends if there is intel or no intel..if there is no intel he is easily making the circle...with intel it would be tougher but hed definitely be able to pull it off, maybe hed do it after he was punched meters away without Tsunade noticing he can do it from anywhere theres no specific spot, shes not Minato now is she?

 

[MisterEggPirate88]

Thanks, I didn't realise all the people who actually thought that punching hidan/inflicting internal damage would affect hidan. It seems people still don't notice hidan can heal (Stabbing himself in leg and heart and showing no wounds or anything).


Yea, I didn't cover tsunade and kisame entirely because i assumed it'd be understood they win. Kisame especially...

Tsunade can hold up byakugo for long, and katsuya gives her a position which is hard to reach for hidan. The main factor here is that hidan's ritual won't work on tsunade for the duration of byakugo and she can continue ponding him/drawing him into position to be dissolved. She could even pull his limbs out (something guy can't do since he'd get killed but tsunade would just keep tanking hidan's suicide stabs).

EDIT: I forgot to add kisame. Kisame has a ton of water jutsu and the shark bombs. The main point is that he never needs to engage hidan in CQC. Infact, A kisamehade fusion would kill him as nothing suggests hidans immortality extends to having 0 chakra (which effectively means your lifeforce is gone).
Sorry but i don't want to get into a lengthy arguement for either of these 2 lol. i already wrote up that wall for hiruzen and guy T_T


it's like speaking to walls bud. Hidan isn't that great, but sometimes his strength is extremely understated. :/

But summonings are mostly used against other summonings or big opponents like Juubi etc. i dont think Katsuyu would play a role in a battle between these two. If Tsunade does not die after three stabs in the heart and keeps regenerating i highly doubt Hidan would stay there and continue stabbing, especially when he saw how strong Tsunades attacks were before. I dont get why people think Hidan is so stupid in fact he has never done anything really stupid.

 

[TheEvilOne]

But summonings are mostly used against other summonings or big opponents like Juubi etc. i dont think Katsuyu would play a role in a battle between these two. If Tsunade does not die after three stabs in the heart and keeps regenerating i highly doubt Hidan would stay there and continue stabbing, especially when he saw how strong Tsunades attacks were before. I dont get why people think Hidan is so stupid in fact he has never done anything really stupid.

I'll ask again: Do you really think Tsunade is so foolish that she lets Hidan to finish his ritual circle?

 

[ToshiZO]

I'll ask again: Do you really think Tsunade is so foolish that she lets Hidan to finish his ritual circle?

Its not about being foolish...its about being physically fast enough or have some method of stopping him from forming it. The only way I can see her try and stop him is if she punches him or the ground but this can be used as an advantage for him and backfire like I stated above.

 

[MisterEggPirate88]

I'll ask again: Do you really think Tsunade is so foolish that she lets Hidan to finish his ritual circle?

First of all when you have no knowledge about what hes doing it would be good to be careful and not rush into thins, i think someone said something similar before . BUT the most important thing is and i dont get that really, drawing this stupid circle take Hidan 3 ****ing seconds!!! =D

 

[Bieber]

First of all when you have no knowledge about what hes doing it would be good to be careful and not rush into thins, i think someone said something similar before . BUT the most important thing is and i dont get that really, drawing this stupid circle take Hidan 3 ****ing seconds!!! =D

Creation Rebirth then she punches the ground.

GG Seal and now she has intel.

 

[TheEvilOne]

First of all when you have no knowledge about what hes doing it would be good to be careful and not rush into thins, i think someone said something similar before . BUT the most important thing is and i dont get that really, drawing this stupid circle take Hidan 3 ****ing seconds!!! =D

And shattering the ground takes Tsunade 1 ****ing second.
The OP didn't specified the intel, but this doesn't really matter. The physical pain isn't breaking Tsunade's will. Orochimaru stabbed her chest and heart several times, but she still was able to move and run without using regeneration. She was impaled with two Susanoo swords, her spine was dameged, but she still continued to fight.

She can summon Katsuyu even when she is cut in half, this means nothing stops her from summoning if Hidan can get the blood and stab himself.
I don't see Hidan pushing Tsunade to her limits, let alone defeat her. She is a bad match up for him.

 

[Bantos]

That doesn't matter. He's immortal and has shown incredible durability. He isn't dying to a pounding that's why you need to incapacitate him by dismembering him.

Breaking his legs would be enough to disable his movement. No one can move with broken legs.