Obito3631 vs Immortal Itachi: Is Hidan Greater Than Hiruzen, Tsunade, Kisame, Gai?

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

Stabbing her heart probably wont even kill her instantly, let alone when Byakugo is on.

 

[Booker]

I honestly think Hidan has a shot against Hiruzen and Guy..

Your incorrect assumption about the explosive tags

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You've taken shikamaru's attack and skewed it greatly. There's alot of physics involved into why shikamaru's attacks even cut hidan up, and you seem to have missed it all.

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For one: Shikamaru had hidan wrapped up in those thin copper wires which held tightly onto his body. Those very thin wires act as tiny blades all over his body and would dig into his skin slightly - they didn't cut through him yet because they weren't wrapped tightly enough. These copper wires also served the additional purpose of holding him in place during the blast - I'll get to this later, but it'd basically stop hidan from moving around so he'd take the full force of the explosions.

Then: We see hidan is riddled with explosive tags. Each and every tag exerts a force in all directions (all 3 planes on an x,y,z plane) that'd cause the explosion of each tag to collide with the explosion of it's neighbouring tag. That'd effectively create a force in opposite directions and pull that part of the intersecting explosion apart/Create cuts at that intersection. The explosions would also cause the wires to dig more into hidan's skin while they are going off, causing his skin to by cut and pulled apart - As the tags explode, he'd be pushed in different directions and pressed tightly onto the wires, causing them to cut deeper and deeper until they simply slice through. *this is all very brief of course*

The outcome would be hidan being sliced up by the copper wires.

NB: Hidan wasn't even damaged by the explosion. His skin was damaged, nor did he suffer any injuries. He was only cut apart by the copper wires - Evidenced by the fact that he had

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Therefore, not only are we told that guy isn't 'blowing him up' with morning peacock/hirudora, but it also tells us that

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isn't killing him.

Hidan vs Guy

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Hidan is a superb taijutsu user, and his abilities with taijutsu really can't be understated. Even against a taijutsu specialist(asuma), hidan was too much of an overwhelming force for him to handle - even with the aid of shikamaru.

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Then, there's the fact that his scythe's reach can be extended by swinging it from the handle. The fact that guy isn't too smart would make it far from likely that he'd even figure out that hidan needs to be within the sealing circle. For that matter, he'd die if hidan gets blood. Because Guy is exclusively taijutsu, he'd always be up close and personal with hidan and risking his life everytime he attacked hidan. Add to this the fact that guy really doesn't have attacks to dismember anyone means that he would most likely lose.
Hidan was only blown up by the explosive tags because of the sheer number of them riddling his entire body causing a ripple of explosions in different directions, effectively pulling his body apart. Guy has no such strategy to do something like that, and infact, hidan was only cut into pieces by the explosions and wasn't even blown up. That already shows us that the force of the explosions (going in opposite directions) was only strong enough to rip apart his joints, and couldn't even bypass hidan's skin; thus showing us how durable hidan's immortal body really is. This is further exemplified by the fact that shikamaru could

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( and hidan heals all wounds as we know). Infact, guy would pretty much have to stand infront of hidan and just pull his limbs from the sockets to dismember him, but that's unlikely as;

1) Guy would never have any reason to assume he's immortal - He could simply think that hidan is very durable and that's why he's tanking all his hits.
2) Going in so close and staying there for any extended period of time would spell disaster as that would give hidan ample time to get blood, even if he had to simply bite guy. From there, guy is screwed as his opponent is still immortal and now has blood. He'd just need to get back and draw up his circle which would be made easier if guy was already exhausted from opening gates
3) Guy would most likely be exhausted by the point he realises hidan is immortal. Guy is reckless, and we've seen how easily he just opens his gates against seemingly strong opponents. Hidans superior taijutsu and durability would give him reason to open gates and pound him - Which would be ineffective. Guy would then be experiencing gate whiplash and won't be able to effectively counter hidan's taijutsu which would only need a drop of blood.
4) Guy could quite possibly killed early as he has no way(regeneration) of surviving 'god's judgement'

At the end of the day, Guy would lose because of the fact that, by the point he even notices hidan is immortal, he'd most likely be exhausted. Or, less likely but possible, hidan would be able to gather a drop of blood as his scythe attacks can be unpredictable at times. This may sound impossible, but don't forget, Guy has no punch and kick hidan while hidan's using a very sharp scyth. Guy will also be doing this in base during the initial phase of the fight as he'd have no reason to think his opponent was immortal, or even needed blood for his main attack.

*This fight i find really unlikely for hidan to lose especially without intel*

NB: Hidan can do his circle very quickly by simply using his foot.

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Hidan vs Hiruzen

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Based on hiruzens current manga showing, he really can't beat hidan. Sure, Enma can be used to keep hidan at a distance and counter the scythe. But, if it's old hiruzen, the amount of time he can fight for is extremely low and he'd start losing stamina at a very excessive rate.


Now, let's compare [my refute of your assumptions] to basically any other jutsu/technique. IF hiruzen were to hit him with a fireball, not only would he be missing the copper wires to help cut hidan into pieces, there'd be no resulting forces, going in several directions, pulling his body apart. The force of the attack would simply spread all over his body and blast would toss him backwards. A katon attack like this could be deadly against an ordinary opponent since it'd destroy cells and cause severe damage that would lead to their death, but hidan's immortal so we already know that won't be effective. Then, there's also

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which basically tells us that an explosion doesn't phase hidan, let alone kill him/blow him into pieces.


All hiruzen's other [displayed] jutsu's are useless in this fight.
Hiruzen gets exhausted and killed. All that's needed is one drop of blood.

Hiruzen only wins this fight when we see some more jutsu from him - if they can even change the outcome that is.

NB: RDS will never work since hiruzen has to hold hidan. Hidan would get a drop of blood if hiruzen is stupid enough to do that. Old hiruzen hasn't shown the speed or agility feats to allow us to assume that he can even dodge all of hidan's attacks.

It is HIGHLY Likely that hidan gets a hit in on these guys since they don't have sharingan precognition to aid them against his superb taijutsu and unpredictable scyth attacks.



As for Tsunade and Kisame, I won't even argue that because tsunade wins mid diff, and kisame shits on him. Kisame is too long ranged for hidan, heals, and

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Tsunade can dissolve him with katsuya, and the blood he would no doubt get from her would do nothing because of byakugo.

A nice attempt and certainly a good read for a counter, but wrong regardless.

To address the first scan, the wires could not have cut through bone itself. The explosion itself had to have cracked/destroyed/broken the bones of Hidan's body itself. Which more or less still supports my point; With enough force or power, Hidan can be broken.

To touch on the other fights,

Gai:

You didn't address the main thing that Gai has for this fight, which is his speed. Gai with gates is one of the fastest characters in Manga.

Hidan has absolutely no feats to suggest that he can keep up with a gated gai. Present some, or Gai absolutely blitzes Hidan and bashes his skull in. Hidan has, coincidentally, also shown nothing to assume he is resistant to blunt trama. Gai can break bones, crush his skull, etc.

Hiruzen:

This fight is the most difficult one.

Based off feats, Hiruzen has an incredibly didficult time with Hidan. His speed and Enma barely put him on par with Hidan. However, Hidan has shown nothing to suggest his skin can resist being burnt.

You'll bring up this scan:

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...And I'll bring up the very next scan after it:

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Asuma, who supposedly was supposed to take the damage for Hidan, was barely burnt. Unless Asuma's durability = Hidan's supposed durability you keep pushing, Asuma SHOULD have been burnt to a crisp. The jutsu obviously wasn't a very stronf Katon fire technique.

Dragon Flame Bombs however is a pure, giant, intensified fireball. It's whole purpose is to literally burn people to nothing. Burning Ash gives you maybe 3rd degree burns.

Also, by hype Hiruzen absolutely sh*tstomps. It's hard to go by hype obviously, but sometimes it just has to be taken into account, I.E. The Sage Of Six Paths.



Another thing I'd like to bring up is that Hidan's taijutsu is overly impressive in the manga. He barely kept up with an exhausted Kakashi, who had nothing but a kunai. Gai's taijutsu >>>>>>> Kakashi's taijutsu.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Nah lol, we've seen tsunade actually take critical hits and survive. Just look at the madara fight, she has so many critical hits it's rediculous. She's even alive after being cut in half (that's a disconnected spinal cord right there and should mean death or immobility yet she summoned katsuya). Hidan's attacks really can't kill her through byakugo. Plus, what she refered to in those scans was medical ninjutsu. Her byakugo is straight up mitosis. That's actually cell division which is what created things like the brain, heart, kidney, lungs, skin, etc. The fact that she can move with two swords through her torso and even heal that massive internal damage means that hidans stabbing, or leaving his sword in does nothing. Then you forget the part where she can simply punch him outside of the circle(assuming she's deduced his abilities by this point) and now he'd just have a stick in his chest that is doing nothing to her.

Else, they'd both be camping immortality playing a game of chicken.

There is a miconception of the jutsu re creating new organs. In the databook it explains creation rebirth as recontructing what was damage instead of builing a new organ. Since im at work i cant go much in details but i just want to.point thiz out since her new jutsu is basically the same but no hand sign and.doesnt just heal once but until the chakra.seal is over. I still think that hidan can simply leave the stake at her heart thus cant completely heal the hole she was cursed from

 

[AGoodBoy]

A nice attempt and certainly a good read for a counter, but wrong regardless.

To address the first scan, the wires could not have cut through bone itself. The explosion itself had to have cracked/destroyed/broken the bones of Hidan's body itself. Which more or less still supports my point; With enough force or power, Hidan can be broken.

To touch on the other fights,

Gai:

You didn't address the main thing that Gai has for this fight, which is his speed. Gai with gates is one of the fastest characters in Manga.

Hidan has absolutely no feats to suggest that he can keep up with a gated gai. Present some, or Gai absolutely blitzes Hidan and bashes his skull in. Hidan has, coincidentally, also shown nothing to assume he is resistant to blunt trama. Gai can break bones, crush his skull, etc.

Hiruzen:

This fight is the most difficult one.

Based off feats, Hiruzen has an incredibly didficult time with Hidan. His speed and Enma barely put him on par with Hidan. However, Hidan has shown nothing to suggest his skin can resist being burnt.

You'll bring up this scan:

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...And I'll bring up the very next scan after it:

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Asuma, who supposedly was supposed to take the damage for Hidan, was barely burnt. Unless Asuma's durability = Hidan's supposed durability you keep pushing, Asuma SHOULD have been burnt to a crisp. The jutsu obviously wasn't a very stronf Katon fire technique.

Dragon Flame Bombs however is a pure, giant, intensified fireball. It's whole purpose is to literally burn people to nothing. Burning Ash gives you maybe 3rd degree burns.

Also, by hype Hiruzen absolutely sh*tstomps. It's hard to go by hype obviously, but sometimes it just has to be taken into account, I.E. The Sage Of Six Paths.



Another thing I'd like to bring up is that Hidan's taijutsu is overly impressive in the manga. He barely kept up with an exhausted Kakashi, who had nothing but a kunai. Gai's taijutsu >>>>>>> Kakashi's taijutsu.

I won't really respond to this since my laptop is slowly dying and pissing me off, but I covered everything you said actually. Especially gated guy, I said he'd pretty much waste the gate and be exhausted, assuming he's alive that long. Don't forget kakashi has sharing an making it effortless for him to counter taijutsu. Asthma is a taijutsu specialist without it and we saw what happened to him, and like shikamaru said, the scythe has a wide reach just to increase chance of drawing blood.

Copper wires combined with the explosive force is what cut him up. Like I also said, any other attack woulddissipate the force over his body. Hid an was blown up because his body was held tightly so that he had to take the fullforce of the attack + wires. The blast will be cushioned(being flung back) when he isn't held in place.

Hid an took a point blank compressed air attack, which disintegrated trees, without so much as a scratch nor could shikamaru inflict much injury with a blade.

That should cover everything.