Obito3631 vs Immortal Itachi: Is Hidan Greater Than Hiruzen, Tsunade, Kisame, Gai?

[Booker]

Here's my post from earlier. Feel free to watch, people.

*Sigh* Let's get this over with.

Most of my arguments will be supported by this scan, while most if not all of yours will be discredited:

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As you can see, Hidan while not in curse mode was easily blown apart by mere bomb tags. No knives, no slashes, just simple explosive force was enough to tear him limb from limb. Look closely, his arms, legs, and even his head are scattered around.

And so, without further ado,

Gai:

Gai without gates is more or less an even match with Hidan. Add gates, however, and Gai takes this easily.

First of all, Gai's speed in gated mode outclasses Hidan incredibly. Unless you can provide me with scans of Hidan competing with someone that has the speed of a Gated Gai, he can't. Hidan has no hopes of hitting Gai, not even knicking him. Hidan could barely fight with an exhausted Kakashi.

Gai can take out Hidan with multiple means in Gated modes. Noon Tiger and Morning Peacock are sufficient.

Noon Tiger was enough to throw back an entire Susano'o.

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When used against Hidan, gale force winds can tear him apart. Not to mention Noon Tiger could bury him into the ground or into the side of a cliff.

But if that doesn't suit you, there's always Morning Peacock.

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Thousands of punches with enough force to create fireballs from the sheer friction... That is more than enough to tear Hidan limb from limb.

Previously in this thread you mentioned that Hidan's durability > Kisame's. Manga proves you wrong.

Hidan was torn apart by mere bomb tags. Kisame withstood the force of thousands of hyper force punches, which have a much more destructive, centralized damage, and are certainly greater than bomb tags.

Hidan has the durability of a normal human when not in curse mode.

Morning Peacock tears Hidan apart.

Tsunade:

This will be easily debated.

Hidan's main go-to method of killing his enemies in with his Curse Jutsu. This is apparent when he had a perfect chance to kill Shikamaru, but opted instead to use his curse jutsu.

Now, Hidan will first and foremost have no chance of drawing blood from Tsunade, consuming the blood, drawing his symbol, and performing the curse (boy, that's a mouthful. How can Hidan hope to have time to use this against anybody?).

Even assuming he did, Tsunade's Byakugou renders Hidan's curse ineffective. Look at this:

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That's an entire Susano'o sword that completely penetrated Tsunade's gut. Not only did Tsunade stay alive, she managed to break the sword and go back into the fight. If you think Hidan's magic stick will do anything to her, think again.

Offensively, Tsunade still destroys Hidan. Katsuyu can shoot forth a waterfall of acid that will easily melt the flesh of Hidan to bone.

Even then, Tsunade's punches can still tear up Hidan.

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Tsunade's punch managed to break of pieces of Madara's Susano'o. Unless you think Hidan > Susano'o, Tsunade's single punch cleaves of Hidan's head. A good punch to the gut will cause him to implode.

Hiruzen:

While Hiruzen is old and hasn't shown many techniques or jutsu, he has displayed the one that he needs.

Dragon Flame Bombs.

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That is easily the same size as, and possibly more destructive, than the bomb tag explosion that took Hidan apart.

Not to mention Hiruzen can make this a 2 on 1 fight by summoning Enma. Hidan will be far too distracted by being torn apart by Enma to keep Hiruzen in his sight as well. Hidan is either torn apart by Enma, or destroyed by Dragon Flame Bombs.

Kisame:

Oh gosh, where do I begin?

Let's start with this:

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The Water Dome. It absolutely dwarfs Hidan, and it only aids Kisame. When Kisame fuses with Samehada, it's over. Kisame turns into an extremely agile shark that can rip Hidan to shreds.

All the while, Hidan is doing to breast stroke trying to get away, and going nowhere. Since the Water Dome follows Kisame, he can never reach the edge.

All of Hidan's taijutsu is rendered useless. Ever tried to swing a bat under water? Ever tried to swing ANYTHING underwater? You can't. Hidan is literally stuck in Kisame's world.

If all else fails, Kisame summons a bunch of sharks to kill Hidan in the Dome.

Or, you know, there's always

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Giant Shark Bullet.

Look at the size of that thing. Hidan can't avoid it.

GSB does one of two things, probably even both:

(1) Tears Hidan to shreds with it's teeth.

(2) Eats all of Hidan's chakra. It's common knowledge that without chakra, shinobi can either die or become extremely exhausted. Just because Hidan is immortal doesn't mean he can't run out of chakra.

Well alright. There's my arguments.

Do what you can. I already know you're a troll and I've wasted my time, but eh. I could care less.

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[Fodder#4]

This has to be the fourth thread you made based on that comment...

 

[Booker]

This has to be the fourth thread you made based on that comment...

He told me to make this one.

 

[Curse Mark]

I'm excited to see his counter.

 

[Bantos]

This is just ridiculous. They all shit on Hidan. D:
This just makes him look bad.

 

[MisterEggPirate88]

Hidan wins against guy,tsunade,old hiruzen and maybe even against kisame he will definetely lose blood befor using water dome and even if they are in waterdome i dont see hidan loosing his head :devil:

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Well alright. There's my arguments.

Do what you can. I already know you're a troll and I've wasted my time, but eh. I could care less.

And yet you made yourself vulnerable by adding weak arguments into the mix. Have fun with that.

 

[TheEvilOne]

Hidan > Hiruzen IMO.
The others stomp him.

Can't wait to read his counter

 

[Optimistic]

I hope his counter is good.

 

[The Ultimate Unknown]

This is why I left nb

 

[TheEvilOne]

This is why I left nb

You are still here as I see :snick:

 

[Booker]

Hidan wins against guy,tsunade,old hiruzen and maybe even against kisame he will definetely lose blood befor using water dome and even if they are in waterdome i dont see hidan loosing his head :devil:

Hello Obito3631.

Are you going to use your main at all to respond to this or not?

And yet you made yourself vulnerable by adding weak arguments into the mix. Have fun with that.

Weak arguments?

Please, enlighten me on what argument is weak here.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Hello Obito3631.

Are you going to use your main at all to respond to this or not?



Weak arguments?

Please, enlighten me on what argument is weak here.

If I point them out your going to ask "why they are weak". Then I will be the one here arguing with you.

Edit: Since you +1 me means your open-minded. Ill quote them but do keep in mind that I won't make an argument on hidan wins or not.

 

[Bieber]

How is this even debatable? Hidan is one of the worst characters in the manga.

 

[paratise]

Hidan > Hiruzen IMO.
The others stomp him.

Can't wait to read his counter

So you quit thinking that Hidan would own Gai?
İt is good that you came into some senses.

 

[Ultimatum]

This is why I left nb

And then you came back.... :snick:

 

[Mellanoma]

I can debate on his behalf just to put up an argument... Pretty sure hidan can beat 2 of them lol

 

[AGoodBoy]

I honestly think Hidan has a shot against Hiruzen and Guy..

Your incorrect assumption about the explosive tags

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You've taken shikamaru's attack and skewed it greatly. There's alot of physics involved into why shikamaru's attacks even cut hidan up, and you seem to have missed it all.

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For one: Shikamaru had hidan wrapped up in those thin copper wires which held tightly onto his body. Those very thin wires act as tiny blades all over his body and would dig into his skin slightly - they didn't cut through him yet because they weren't wrapped tightly enough. These copper wires also served the additional purpose of holding him in place during the blast - I'll get to this later, but it'd basically stop hidan from moving around so he'd take the full force of the explosions.

Then: We see hidan is riddled with explosive tags. Each and every tag exerts a force in all directions (all 3 planes on an x,y,z plane) that'd cause the explosion of each tag to collide with the explosion of it's neighbouring tag. That'd effectively create a force in opposite directions and pull that part of the intersecting explosion apart/Create cuts at that intersection. The explosions would also cause the wires to dig more into hidan's skin while they are going off, causing his skin to by cut and pulled apart - As the tags explode, he'd be pushed in different directions and pressed tightly onto the wires, causing them to cut deeper and deeper until they simply slice through. *this is all very brief of course*

The outcome would be hidan being sliced up by the copper wires.

NB: Hidan wasn't even damaged by the explosion. His skin was damaged, nor did he suffer any injuries. He was only cut apart by the copper wires - Evidenced by the fact that he had

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Therefore, not only are we told that guy isn't 'blowing him up' with morning peacock/hirudora, but it also tells us that

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isn't killing him.

Hidan vs Guy

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Hidan is a superb taijutsu user, and his abilities with taijutsu really can't be understated. Even against a taijutsu specialist(asuma), hidan was too much of an overwhelming force for him to handle - even with the aid of shikamaru.

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Then, there's the fact that his scythe's reach can be extended by swinging it from the handle. The fact that guy isn't too smart would make it far from likely that he'd even figure out that hidan needs to be within the sealing circle. For that matter, he'd die if hidan gets blood. Because Guy is exclusively taijutsu, he'd always be up close and personal with hidan and risking his life everytime he attacked hidan. Add to this the fact that guy really doesn't have attacks to dismember anyone means that he would most likely lose.
Hidan was only blown up by the explosive tags because of the sheer number of them riddling his entire body causing a ripple of explosions in different directions, effectively pulling his body apart. Guy has no such strategy to do something like that, and infact, hidan was only cut into pieces by the explosions and wasn't even blown up. That already shows us that the force of the explosions (going in opposite directions) was only strong enough to rip apart his joints, and couldn't even bypass hidan's skin; thus showing us how durable hidan's immortal body really is. This is further exemplified by the fact that shikamaru could

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( and hidan heals all wounds as we know). Infact, guy would pretty much have to stand infront of hidan and just pull his limbs from the sockets to dismember him, but that's unlikely as;

1) Guy would never have any reason to assume he's immortal - He could simply think that hidan is very durable and that's why he's tanking all his hits.
2) Going in so close and staying there for any extended period of time would spell disaster as that would give hidan ample time to get blood, even if he had to simply bite guy. From there, guy is screwed as his opponent is still immortal and now has blood. He'd just need to get back and draw up his circle which would be made easier if guy was already exhausted from opening gates
3) Guy would most likely be exhausted by the point he realises hidan is immortal. Guy is reckless, and we've seen how easily he just opens his gates against seemingly strong opponents. Hidans superior taijutsu and durability would give him reason to open gates and pound him - Which would be ineffective. Guy would then be experiencing gate whiplash and won't be able to effectively counter hidan's taijutsu which would only need a drop of blood.
4) Guy could quite possibly killed early as he has no way(regeneration) of surviving 'god's judgement'

At the end of the day, Guy would lose because of the fact that, by the point he even notices hidan is immortal, he'd most likely be exhausted. Or, less likely but possible, hidan would be able to gather a drop of blood as his scythe attacks can be unpredictable at times. This may sound impossible, but don't forget, Guy has no punch and kick hidan while hidan's using a very sharp scyth. Guy will also be doing this in base during the initial phase of the fight as he'd have no reason to think his opponent was immortal, or even needed blood for his main attack.

*This fight i find really unlikely for hidan to lose especially without intel*

NB: Hidan can do his circle very quickly by simply using his foot.

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Hidan vs Hiruzen

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Based on hiruzens current manga showing, he really can't beat hidan. Sure, Enma can be used to keep hidan at a distance and counter the scythe. But, if it's old hiruzen, the amount of time he can fight for is extremely low and he'd start losing stamina at a very excessive rate.


Now, let's compare [my refute of your assumptions] to basically any other jutsu/technique. IF hiruzen were to hit him with a fireball, not only would he be missing the copper wires to help cut hidan into pieces, there'd be no resulting forces, going in several directions, pulling his body apart. The force of the attack would simply spread all over his body and blast would toss him backwards. A katon attack like this could be deadly against an ordinary opponent since it'd destroy cells and cause severe damage that would lead to their death, but hidan's immortal so we already know that won't be effective. Then, there's also

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which basically tells us that an explosion doesn't phase hidan, let alone kill him/blow him into pieces.


All hiruzen's other [displayed] jutsu's are useless in this fight.
Hiruzen gets exhausted and killed. All that's needed is one drop of blood.

Hiruzen only wins this fight when we see some more jutsu from him - if they can even change the outcome that is.

NB: RDS will never work since hiruzen has to hold hidan. Hidan would get a drop of blood if hiruzen is stupid enough to do that. Old hiruzen hasn't shown the speed or agility feats to allow us to assume that he can even dodge all of hidan's attacks.

It is HIGHLY Likely that hidan gets a hit in on these guys since they don't have sharingan precognition to aid them against his superb taijutsu and unpredictable scyth attacks.



As for Tsunade and Kisame, I won't even argue that because tsunade wins mid diff, and kisame shits on him. Kisame is too long ranged for hidan, heals, and

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Tsunade can dissolve him with katsuya, and the blood he would no doubt get from her would do nothing because of byakugo.

 

[Crazy Wolf]

Hidan has a chance against old Hiruzen and Tsunade.

 

[Bantos]

Hidan has a chance against old Hiruzen and Tsunade.

Nope. Against Tsunade he has NO chances no matter what is the case.