[VS] Obito vs Tobirama

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No info means tobirama doesnt stand a chance, he wont even know how kamui works before he gets warped.

Love for someone to explain to me how he evades without prep, thank you.
 
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No info means tobirama doesnt stand a chance, he wont even know how kamui works before he gets warped.

Love for someone to explain to me how he evades without prep, thank you.

It's in his nature to make Kage Bushin. They act as the marked Kunai for him.

Plus it doesn't even matter as we know for a fact he marks the battlefield.
 

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It's in his nature to make Kage Bushin. They act as the marked Kunai for him.

Plus it doesn't even matter as we know for a fact he marks the battlefield.

1. When has tobirama ever marked the battlefield at the start of a battle [important]?

2. By the time he summons a clone, obito is gone, By the time he marks his clone they both go bye bye.

Don't tell me you think tobirama has faster reflexes than kamui without a sharingan?
 

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This obito can still use Izanagi too right?

Anyway with no Intel I'm going to have to say Obito. Tobiramas FTG isn't as versatile as Minatos own which is the main reason Minato won in the first place since he had marked kunai everywhere.

With Intel Tobirama wins though med diff. Only a space time user or someone very fast can defeat obito.
 
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1. When has tobirama ever marked the battlefield at the start of a battle [important]?

2. By the time he summons a clone, obito is gone, By the time he marks his clone they both go bye bye.

Don't tell me you think tobirama has faster reflexes than kamui without a sharingan?

@1 I think it's a flawed concept to use the only real fight we've seen him in as an example; fighting against Obito wasn't a normal fight in the conventional sense. He marked Obito fairly early, there was no need to mark anything else. Plus I really shouldn't even need to argue for why Tobirama will use a Jutsu he invented, that seems to be a desperate argument on your part. We've never seen him mark the battlefield, but he clearly does. [ ]

@2 Weak argument. Kage Bushin require one handseal to make. He's just gone like that? I don't think so, even if he does Tobirama is going to sense his reappearance just like how Minato did. Did I say he'd make one? What's stopping him from making five? Seven?

He doesn't need to mark them as they are his chakra.

What's the relevance of the bold?

This obito can still use Izanagi too right?

Anyway with no Intel I'm going to have to say Obito. Tobiramas FTG isn't as versatile as Minatos own which is the main reason Minato won in the first place since he had marked kunai everywhere.
With Intel Tobirama wins though med diff. Only a space time user or someone very fast can defeat obito.

Without fail you're able to involve Minato in every Tobirama thread. He marks his Kunai, that's been established.
 
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@1 I think it's a flawed concept to use the only real fight we've seen him in as an example; fighting against Obito wasn't a normal fight in the conventional sense. He marked Obito fairly early, there was no need to mark anything else. Plus I really shouldn't even need to argue for why Tobirama wily use a Jutsu he invented, that seems to be a desperate argument on your part. We've never seen him mark the battlefield, but he clearly does. [ ]

Lol desperate? the fact that you didnt even acknowledge my point seems desperate, when did I ever say that tobirama doesnt mark the battlefield? I said when has he ever done that at a beginning of a match? It doesnt matter what strategy you go for a warp beats any of tobirama's movements, tobirama simply has zero prep or he cant escape.

As I clearly posted in with minato, without separate kunai to escape to tobirama is helpless, okay lets say the first thing he does is touch the ground to mark it, lmao obto will be right behind him at that point.

You underestimate kamui's speed, its far faster than tobirama's actions, examples of people who can possibly escape the blitz are naruto, BM minato, & possibly susanoo users, everyone else has been shown by comparison to be slower than the blitz.

@2 Weak argument. Kage Bushin require one handseal to make. He's just gone like that? I don't think so, even if he does Tobirama is going to sense his reappearance just like how Minato did. Did I say he'd make one? What's stopping him from making five? Seven?

Lol weak argument? More like underestimation of kamui's speed, hell obito can simply run up to tobirama as he tries to throw kunai/shuriken, just to have them all phased through. Before tobirama even knows what obito's ability is the vacuum is active, Why on earth would tobirama think to mark around the battle field if an enemy is charging for him? What's with all the setup with the marks & kage bunshins? Sounds to me like tobirama knows he's up against a powerful enemy before the fight begins?

Hell obito can hide like a mole, act like an idiot or even pretend to be defeated, only to come back moments later for the backstab.


So many possibilities, its 6AM here so ill get back to this after some rest but there's not a snowball's chance in hell that tobirama's touching obito.

He doesn't need to mark them as they are his chakra.

So tobirama clones can shunshin faster than a kamui warp?

What's the relevance of the bold?

Sharingan + kamui means you need lightning reflexes or an automatic jutsu to avoid getting warped, obito will read tobi's handsign & will obviously know to activate his eye.
 
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desperate? the fact that you didnt even acknowledge my point seems desperate, when did I ever say that tobirama doesnt mark the battlefiueld? I said when has he ever done that at a beginning of a match? It doesnt matter what strategy you go for a warp beats any of tobirama's movements, tobirama simply has zero prep ro he cant escape.

As I clearly posted in with minato, without separate kunai to escape to tobirama is helpless, okay lets say the first thing he does is touch the ground to mark it, lmao obto will be right behind him at that point.

You underestimate kamui's speed, its far faster than tobirama's actions, examples of people who can possibly escape the blitz are naruto, BM minato, & possibly susanoo users, everyone else has been shown by comparison to be slower than the blitz.

As I said you're almost trying to win this argument on lack of evidence. We've seen Tobirama on one fight wherein his opponent was marked right at the start. It's such a weak a argument I don't know if you're being serious, plus it's irrelivent as we know Tobirama marks kunai.

Good lord I'm not sure if I'm up for this one; the wank of Kamui is unreal. If Obito disappears, Tobirama is going to be aware of that, and when he reappears, Tobirama will know where he is. I'd like to hear how Obito is going to Kamui Tobirama with Kage Bushin backing him up. Obito lays a hand on him and he gets destroyed.

Throw out some concrete evidence instead of making bullshit assumptions.

weak argument? More like underestimation of kamui's speed, hell obito can simply run up to tobirama as he tries to throw kunai/shuriken, just to have them all phased through. Before tobirama even knows what obito's ability is the vaccum is active, Why on earth would tobirama think to mark around the battle field if an enemy is charging for him? What's with all the setup with the marks & kage bunshins? Sounds to me like tobirama knows he's up against a powerful enemy before the fight begins?

Hell obito can hide like a mole, act like an idiot or even pretend to be defeated, only to come back moments liker for the backstab.


So many possibilities, its 6AM here so ill get back to this after some rest but there's not a snowball's chance in hell that tobirama's touching obito.



Most of your post belongs in there.

And that Tobirama is going to act like an idiot like you've said and do nothing whilst Obito makes an offensive, you fail to even recognise the purpose of Kage Bushin; Tobirama is going to start working out the basis of Obito's Jutsu as soon as he starts to use it, the Kage Bushin will simply speed up the process. Even Sakura deduced it's workings, and your idea of Obito charging towards Tobirama and the clones, with no actual game plan is gonna spell his doom.

Still waiting on how Obito overcomes numerous Kage Bushin, and is able to Kamui large groups of them without getting marked by at least one.

my is charging for him? What's with all the setup with the marks & kage bunshins? Sounds to me like tobirama knows he's up against a powerful enemy before the fight begins?

This is petty, re read the manga and learn what the Jutsu is used for - intel gathering. We know for a fact that he can teleport to his clones, otherwise they can - to suit your flawed argument, mark themselves. The end result is the same.

And a guy like Tobirama is going to be lulled into falling for Obito's acting. Lmao, I'm almost done here.

So tobirama clones can shunshin faster than a kamui warp?

Lol? Hirashin. Do tell how Obito is going to warp numerous targets that can interchangeably warp to each other.

Sharingan + kamui means you need lightning reflexes or an automatic jutsu to avoid getting warped, obito will read tobi's handsign & will obviously know to activate his eye.

Still not getting your point. Are you trying to say that Tobirama's reflexes - arguably the best in the manga, are somehow not going to keep up with attacks that Minato did?
 
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1. When has tobirama ever marked the battlefield at the start of a battle [important]?

2. By the time he summons a clone, obito is gone, By the time he marks his clone they both go bye bye.

Don't tell me you think tobirama has faster reflexes than kamui without a sharingan?

@1 I think it's a flawed concept to use the only real fight we've seen him in as an example; fighting against Obito wasn't a normal fight in the conventional sense. He marked Obito fairly early, there was no need to mark anything else. Plus I really shouldn't even need to argue for why Tobirama will use a Jutsu he invented, that seems to be a desperate argument on your part. We've never seen him mark the battlefield, but he clearly does. [ ]

@2 Weak argument. Kage Bushin require one handseal to make. He's just gone like that? I don't think so, even if he does Tobirama is going to sense his reappearance just like how Minato did. Did I say he'd make one? What's stopping him from making five? Seven?

He doesn't need to mark them as they are his chakra.

What's the relevance of the bold?



Without fail you're able to involve Minato in every Tobirama thread. He marks his Kunai, that's been established.

Cry for me some more. The op says the obito that fought Minato, and considering both characters use the same jutsu and a similar fighting style then it's not a shock if I use the Minato vs Obito fight as a basis for this argument.

Show me the scan where Tobirama has 30+ marked kunai scattered around the battlefield.
 

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Cry for me some more. The op says the obito that fought Minato, and considering both characters use the same jutsu and a similar fighting style then it's not a shock if I use the Minato vs Obito fight as a basis for this argument.

Show me the scan where Tobirama has 30+ marked kunai scattered around the battlefield.

I didn't mean to rustle the jimmies. It's almost like a trend for you, is all.
 

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Lol desperate? the fact that you didnt even acknowledge my point seems desperate, when did I ever say that tobirama doesnt mark the battlefield? I said when has he ever done that at a beginning of a match? It doesnt matter what strategy you go for a warp beats any of tobirama's movements, tobirama simply has zero prep or he cant escape.
You're really overrating the speed of Kamui here, and also, the reason why he didn't use Kage Bunshin against Juubito or Madara was because You use and you're telling me the inventor of Kage Bunshin isn't going to use his own technique in the way it's meant to be used? Don't man.
As I clearly posted in with minato, without separate kunai to escape to tobirama is helpless, okay lets say the first thing he does is touch the ground to mark it, lmao obto will be right behind him at that point.
Kage Bunshin, not only that, if his Kage Bunshin all throw a marked kunai, you then have around 10+ kunai that Tobirama can teleport to on top of his Kage Bunshin.
You underestimate kamui's speed, its far faster than tobirama's actions, examples of people who can possibly escape the blitz are naruto, BM minato, & possibly susanoo users, everyone else has been shown by comparison to be slower than the blitz.
Trust me, you're overrating Kamui's speed.


Lol weak argument? More like underestimation of kamui's speed, hell obito can simply run up to tobirama as he tries to throw kunai/shuriken, just to have them all phased through. Before tobirama even knows what obito's ability is the vacuum is active, Why on earth would tobirama think to mark around the battle field if an enemy is charging for him? What's with all the setup with the marks & kage bunshins? Sounds to me like tobirama knows he's up against a powerful enemy before the fight begins?
Why on earth would Obito run towards his opponents without analyzing his abilities? But yeah, as said in my previous points, if he runs towards Tobirama, he simply makes Kage Bunshin and teleports to them. Or he throws a marked kunai at him and if he phases through it, he replicates what Minato did to Obito.
Hell obito can hide like a mole, act like an idiot or even pretend to be defeated, only to come back moments later for the backstab.
I'm pretty sure he took on the goofy Tobi persona long after this battle.

So many possibilities, its 6AM here so ill get back to this after some rest but there's not a snowball's chance in hell that tobirama's touching obito.
Same goes for Tobirama, his moveset completely stops Obito from touching him.
 
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I didn't mean to rustle the jimmies. It's almost like a trend for you, is all.

Well then just ignore me, I can't stand when people take a dig at me for no apparent reason other than to mock me or make themself feel better
 

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And once he sees the enemy has a sharingan, he will make kage bunshin and most likely mark them too start off the battle. Kamui is not ending Tobirama at the beginning of the match. The reason Tobirama invented the sharingan was to deceive the sharingan anyways.

But tobirama wont be able to see that obito has sharingan till he's getting sucked in.

Also, i am using your "Tobirama invented the sharingan" Quote out of context in my sig
 

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But tobirama wont be able to see that obito has sharingan till he's getting sucked in.

Also, i am using your "Tobirama invented the sharingan" Quote out of context in my sig

It was an obvious typo, but I could care less. And no. Tobirama knows more about the Uchiha clan more than some of the Uchiha. Lol

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Tobirama wins, again.

Obito has no real counter for the Kage Bushin, if he teleports one he's lost his advantage right there (not that he'll get the chance.). If he tries to teleport the original he can simply be recalled by a clone, or do it himself.

Tobirama doesn't need to mark his clones to teleport to them. Plus now no one can ever argue that he doesn't mark his weapons.



That does seem to happen.

I am pretty sure he marked his sword against Izuna and used Hiraishingiri with it. >_>

I think he meant either KB or Hiraishin and it's easy to notice it was a typo. No need to rustle your jimmies everytime Tobirama is involved

Thanks.

Tobirama invented the Sharingan now?!? Did he invent the rinnegan too?

Obvious typo. I meant Kage bunshin. Lol

A no knowledge situation will advantage Obito. Obito can't be sensed during his phasing so Tobirama's sensing ability will be useless and with the lack of prepped kunais, the first touch in close range will be the last

He would still be able to sense the chakra going into Obito's eye, knowing that an unusual sharingan technique will come.
 

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It was an obvious typo, but I could care less. And no. Tobirama knows more about the Uchiha clan more than some of the Uchiha. Lol

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I am pretty sure he marked his sword against Izuna and used Hiraishingiri with it. >_>



Thanks.



Obvious typo. I meant Kage bunshin. Lol



He would still be able to sense the chakra going into Obito's eye, knowing that an unusual sharingan technique will come.
I know it was a typo, twas still funny though.

And I agree with bogard, if Tobirama has no knowledge on obito then this fight isn't in Tobiramas favor, especially due to the lack of prepped and scattered kunai around the battlefield.

Although with knowledge I'd say Tobirama takes this without too much difficulty.
 

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I know it was a typo, twas still funny though.

And I agree with bogard, if Tobirama has no knowledge on obito then this fight isn't in Tobiramas favor, especially due to the lack of prepped and scattered kunai around the battlefield.

Although with knowledge I'd say Tobirama takes this without too much difficulty.

You should post an argument then. ._.
 
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