Obito vs Raikage Ay ( Speed fight )

[pateuvasiliu]

Let's assume they both have unlimited chakra and are fighting the same way Minato and Obito fought, when Minato used FTG v2 to quickscope him.

Can Ay's speed do the same and beat Kamui?

 

[Seventh Sama]

I thought ftg was proven to be faster than V2 Ay so obito wins.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

I thought ftg was proven to be faster than V2 Ay so obito wins.

That's obvious.

But is Kamui faster than Ay's V2 speed? Sasuke couldn't keep track of him, with his own MS.

 

[Beans2]

This already happened in the manga.

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[VongolaX]

Dude

Obito already beat Ay's shuushin in the summit.

Space time teleportation>>>>>teleportation

Kamui wins again

 

[LuckyMan]

V1 Ay can't. Obito canonically already phased through his V1 blitz.

V2 Ay is another story I'm not sure about.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Why is Ei being overrated? Minato had time to grab a kunai and throw it before Ei could land an attack Minato admitted he barely made it out in time... Obito then proceeds to say he didn't even warp him at full speed... Ei gets the same treatment plus he doesn't have ftg so it's a stomp...

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

This already happened in the manga.

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Is that v2? (Not being smart ass just asking can't really tell)

And tbh I think v2 with unlimited chakra is faster it's already been stated that it moves faster then the sharigan can react and obito can only react to so much granted he has unlimited chakra but that doesn't give him to enough reaction time that he needs to react to v2 ay

Also we r talking bout Ms obito right although idk how Rinnigan will fair ?

Ppl (not in this thread just saying in general) underrate Ay v2 speed only because minato evaded him long time ago even tho we don't know if he evaded him while jn v2 mode (hair is not sticking up and no real notable change in muscular but then again he had headband on) he is still fast guys ....

 

[KidGamer65]

Ay's way too linear to defeat Obito.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Why is Ei being overrated? Minato had time to grab a kunai and throw it before Ei could land an attack Minato admitted he barely made it out in time... Obito then proceeds to say he didn't even warp him at full speed... Ei gets the same treatment plus he doesn't have ftg so it's a stomp...

id love to see this

 

[KCN]

Obito warps him. He was avoiding KCM Naruto and BM Naruto who are faster than Ay, so that's out of the question.

 

[Selan]

Obito clearly shits on him. He phases through his attack with Kamui, and then warps him.

 

[Draphsin]

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KCM Naruto couldn't do it, Ay isn't doing it.

 

[LuckyMan]

Obito warps him. He was avoiding KCM Naruto and BM Naruto who are faster than Ay, so that's out of the question.

No he wasn't. Obito was phasing through Narutos attacks, not evading and Naruto didn't use that one flash shunshin he used versus Ay against Obito. Obitos reaction and movement speeds are ever so slightly lower than Kakashis, proven so during their battle. I don't know why people believe Obito phasing through attacks = hes as fast as the attacker. Hes not using any bodily movements (movement/hand/fight speed) to evade the attacks hes just mentally reacting and activating Kamui. Because he can mentally process and activate Kamui in time does not mean he can also physically move his body that fast as well. This may or may not be relevant, but Lee said even if the sharingans precog (mental) can track someone, if their own bodies (physical) aren't trained and can't react to that level of speed then its all useless.

The only way you can say Obitos (movement/hand/fight) speed is equal to such and such is if you take away Kamui and put them in the same situation. If he can still evade then hes equal, if not then hes inferior.

 

[KingHashirama]

o-o Obito is not that fast.. Lol, no clue why people think he is a speedster.. his kamui allows people to go through him.. that has nothing to do with being fast as Ay/Minato/Naruto.. who are on an entirely different level of speed than Obito.

I highly doubt Ay would ever get caught. Ay would've gotten Minato also, if Minato didn't have the tag on Killer B. So if Ay goes through it once.. he will get him the next time.

 

[Mark Sanchez]

No he wasn't. Obito was phasing through Narutos attacks, not evading and Naruto didn't use that one flash shunshin he used versus Ay against Obito. Obitos reaction and movement speeds are ever so slightly lower than Kakashis, proven so during their battle. I don't know why people believe Obito phasing through attacks = hes as fast as the attacker. Hes not using any bodily movements (movement/hand/fight speed) to evade the attacks hes just mentally reacting and activating Kamui. Because he can mentally process and activate Kamui in time does not mean he can also physically move his body that fast as well. This may or may not be relevant, but Lee said even if the sharingans precog (mental) can track someone, if their own bodies (physical) aren't trained and can't react to that level of speed then its all useless.

The only way you can say Obitos (movement/hand/fight) speed is equal to such and such is if you take away Kamui and put them in the same situation. If he can still evade then hes equal, if not then hes inferior.

Its called Reaction Speed, it doesnt matter how fast someone is (foot speed, ftg, etc) Without good reaction speed, ur nothing. Obito has the best reaction speed in the manga based on feats.

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Obito was able to dodge Madara's attacks while SM Minato couldnt. Therefore, Obito's reaction speed >>> Minato >>> Ay

 

[TRE MERCER]

No he wasn't. Obito was phasing through Narutos attacks, not evading and Naruto didn't use that one flash shunshin he used versus Ay against Obito. Obitos reaction and movement speeds are ever so slightly lower than Kakashis, proven so during their battle. I don't know why people believe Obito phasing through attacks = hes as fast as the attacker. Hes not using any bodily movements (movement/hand/fight speed) to evade the attacks hes just mentally reacting and activating Kamui. Because he can mentally process and activate Kamui in time does not mean he can also physically move his body that fast as well. This may or may not be relevant, but Lee said even if the sharingans precog (mental) can track someone, if their own bodies (physical) aren't trained and can't react to that level of speed then its all useless.

The only way you can say Obitos (movement/hand/fight) speed is equal to such and such is if you take away Kamui and put them in the same situation. If he can still evade then hes equal, if not then hes inferior.

Ei v2 speed is childsplay to someone that toyed around with KM Naruto Gai Kakashi and Bee... Also Kakashi only kicked Obito back in there fight that was it so that means he>Obito in cqc? Stop...

o-o Obito is not that fast.. Lol, no clue why people think he is a speedster.. his kamui allows people to go through him.. that has nothing to do with being fast as Ay/Minato/Naruto.. who are on an entirely different level of speed than Obito.

I highly doubt Ay would ever get caught. Ay would've gotten Minato also, if Minato didn't have the tag on Killer B. So if Ay goes through it once.. he will get him the next time.

Please Minato had time to take a Kunai out of his pocket and throw it before Ei landed an attack on him...

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[LuckyMan]

Ei v2 speed is childsplay to someone that toyed around with KM Naruto Gai Kakashi and Bee... Also Kakashi only kicked Obito back in there fight that was it so that means he>Obito in cqc? Stop...

Wow. Either the whole gist of my argument went over your head or you're just not mentioning the point I made to avoid a losing argument.

Obito didn't use movement or body speed to avoid them. He phased through all their attacks. What part of that do you not understand? Obito also phased through Minatos slash and a blitz with Kamui so does that mean his speed is equal to or greater than Minatos? No, because we clearly saw without Kamui he couldn't even evade Rasengan with his own reaction and body speeds.

Kamui is not the demonstration of movement or fight speed with ones own body so how can you even begin to say he's fast as KCM Naruto or either Raikage?

 

[KidGamer65]

Its called Reaction Speed, it doesnt matter how fast someone is (foot speed, ftg, etc) Without good reaction speed, ur nothing. Obito has the best reaction speed in the manga based on feats.

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Obito was able to dodge Madara's attacks while SM Minato couldnt. Therefore, Obito's reaction speed >>> Minato >>> Ay

Not how Kamui works. When Kamui Mode is on, Obito automatically phases through anything that touches him. When Obito strikes, Kamui Mode is off since he can't be tangible and be attacking at the same time.

So he didn't react to JJ Madara.

Can't blame you though, I thought that Obito activated Kamui every time he wanted to phase up until recently, but he does't.

 

[KCN]

No he wasn't. Obito was phasing through Narutos attacks, not evading and Naruto didn't use that one flash shunshin he used versus Ay against Obito. Obitos reaction and movement speeds are ever so slightly lower than Kakashis, proven so during their battle. I don't know why people believe Obito phasing through attacks = hes as fast as the attacker. Hes not using any bodily movements (movement/hand/fight speed) to evade the attacks hes just mentally reacting and activating Kamui. Because he can mentally process and activate Kamui in time does not mean he can also physically move his body that fast as well. This may or may not be relevant, but Lee said even if the sharingans precog (mental) can track someone, if their own bodies (physical) aren't trained and can't react to that level of speed then its all useless.

The only way you can say Obitos (movement/hand/fight) speed is equal to such and such is if you take away Kamui and put them in the same situation. If he can still evade then hes equal, if not then hes inferior.

Phasing through his attacks is testament to his reaction time, which is the key factor in his phasing. He phases through Ay's shunshin. You just agreed with me, so long as he can mentally process the situation, Ay cannot touch him. Which he can, evidence in the Kage summit.

Btw, when I said avoid I did mean phase. Just thought it was obvious since Kamui is his main aspect of battle.