Obito vs Itachi

[soulless uchiha]

Obito is untouchable at this point.

 

[Char Aznable]

Itachi doesn't know Kamui's powers but Obito knows Itachi's so:

• He won't get caught in Tsukyomi
• He has already countered Amateratsu
• Yata won't work cause Obito can past through it with Kamui
• Totsuka can't hit him because of Kamui
• He can get inside the Susanoo easily
• Normal Genjutsu doesn't work on sharingan users
• Itachi's normal Ninjutsu sucks compared to Obito's
• Itachi's Taijutsu won't do shit as Obito countered Guy in their fight
• Itachi said Izanami is not made for battle
• KA was programed to be used on Itachi's eye so won't work on Obito
• He has no jutsu that counters Obito's kamui
• 1 touch and Obito wins

Obito Low Diff

^ This..........

 

[VongolaX]

Not really i compensated his loss of Senju DNA, healing, inhanced strength, Mokuton immense life force, Inyouton no jutsu, and Rinnegan by giving him both eyes

In the OP you gave him inyouton, so he can use the staff correct?

The six path justus can be done without the eyes, but he'll need both blood and power of the clans (Uchih/Senju)

Since you restrict one of them that leaves him with uchiha kinjustu and Inyouton (the exception from you), correct?

That means no Perfect Inzanagi, Mokuton (other senju enhancement healing), six path justu, Gedo Mazou, or multiple bijuus.

Obito still wins

 

[Silver Wolf]

In the OP you gave him inyouton, so he can use the staff correct?

The six path justus can be done without the eyes, but he'll need both blood and power of the clans (Uchih/Senju)

Since you restrict one of them that leaves him with uchiha kinjustu and Inyouton (the exception from you), correct?

That means no Perfect Inzanagi, Mokuton (other senju enhancement healing), six path justu, Gedo Mazou, or multiple bijuus.

Obito still wins

No, read the OP properly i restricted Inyouton as well, i just specificaly mentioned it with you in mind, since you're the only logical Obito fan that uses Obito's other jutsu as argument instead of just saying "Kamui gg".

But the purpose of this thread was to show that Obito with only his natural powers is capable of defeating the likes of Itachi, though ot will be a close match and an extreme high difficulty win.

With Akatsuki Obito he wins mid-diff

Rinnegan Obito w/o bijuus low-mid diff.
With Bijuu stomps

No need to mention juubi jin. form

 

[Tobi98]

You first said high diff now low diff? -_-

Dont underrate itachi friend. you have no idea of what he can do and what your saying is all ultra Crap
1: why wont he get caught in tsukyomi?
2: Care to explain how?
3: who said anything about passing? 0_o and this is no normal miorr maybe he cant pass though susanoo
4: read what i said above
5:Read what i said above
6: itachi is no normal genjutsu user
7: Oh really? ( he doesnt even use ninjutsu he just use kamui. if he didnt have it he will be a fodder)
8: Really ? Well itachi is fast and itachi is not much of a taijutsu fighter he will use ninjutsu
9: Scan please?
10: it can work on anyone. if it was programmed just for itachi then why itachi gave naruto the crow and hoped that he use it on Sasuke
11: We dont know that
12: Dont make me laugh its the other way around really

High diff is real Obito, this one stomps

 

[Tobi98]

Itachi knows kamui he just hadn't figured out a way to beat it, he though amaterasu would do the job but we know how that turned out. But don't fogrget obito is vulnerable when he jumps himself and can be hit then so itachi can set him up to jump and then hit him with amaterasu so obito will stop the jump and try to gid rid of amaterasu and then get hit with totsuka gg.


Anyway you say obito won't get caught in obito and why wouldn't he? Don't worry I'll wait for and answer that isn't right.

He can't get inside susano and if he could what does that mean? Nothing he would be putting himself in harms way, you think obito > itachi before itachi died but you are a fool they obviously respected each others game to the point both feared the other and more so obito feared itachi which is why he waited until itachi was dead to attack konoha. Obito has only warped average shinobi, if he gets inside susano someone like itachi cant defend against the jumping and avoid being warped, even base gai told obito he was moving to fast to be warped and he wasn't even moving that fast.



Normal genjutsu might not work but itachi has 5 abnormal genjutsu.


Itachi's normal ninjutsu sucks compared to obito's? what, obito only has a fire jutsu mixed in with kamui, itachi has fire, water, clones, summonings, you clearly don't know what you are talking about.


It was base gai and he did enough to not be warped and even told obito while he was fighting that he couldn't warp him and itachi is much faster than base gai not to mention obito used the sharingans predictive abilities well itachi has that abilities so when obito goes to read movements his will get read back and like I said itachi speed > base gai who obito barely read his movements.



LLAB if obito was better than itachi before itachi's death then, obito would have killed itachi a long time ago, since he knew the truth and knew itachi was spying on akaktsuki and watching him, yet he never touched konoha not even nagato the invincible they all waited until itachi died, obito even used the finally we can attack konoha, the fact hat he didn't or better yet couldn't kill the traitor itachi proves this.


Kakashi's kamui can be disrupted by another jutsu while its in its warping process like amaterasu, or another jutsu that is used via nigh instant through eye fixation and since amaterasu is faster than kakashi's kamui then.

If Obito is inside the Susanoo he can't get hit by Totsuka

Obito is not stupid to get caught in Tsukyomi

Gaara already proved that Susanoo has open space, Obito can get inside

I only remember 1, Tsukyomi

Obito Fire style is Juubi sized

Base Gai at taijutsu is much better than Itachi (Gai has 5/5 and Itachi has 4.5/5)

Itachi helped by killing the other jins, so why would Obito kill him?

Amateratsu doesn't work on Obito

 

[VongolaX]

No, read the OP properly i restricted Inyouton as well, i just specificaly mentioned it with you in mind, since you're the only logical Obito fan that uses Obito's other jutsu as argument instead of just saying "Kamui gg".

But the purpose of this thread was to show that Obito with only his natural powers is capable of defeating the likes of Itachi, though ot will be a close match and an extreme high difficulty win.

With Akatsuki Obito he wins mid-diff

Rinnegan Obito w/o bijuus low-mid diff.
With Bijuu stomps

No need to mention juubi jin. form

Oh my bad, I saw "does," instead of "doesn't."

At this point I'm not entirely sure...

Tsukyomi shouldn't be use on any Uchiha, because being Uchiha blood is the only way of breaking it.

Since amatersu and kamui are both close-long range attacks, many senerio's and counters come in mind.

Especially when the whole kamui the flames away comes in mind.

It's the Susanoo part that concerns me because of the totsukya and yata mirror...

I have no winners for this one, it could go either way

 

[AlphaScythian]

Double kamui Obito will rape any one.
Granted he wont have as much stamina but nothing can beat double kamui.

 

[Chie]

Itachi doesn't know Kamui's powers but Obito knows Itachi's so:

• He won't get caught in Tsukyomi
• He has already countered Amateratsu
• Yata won't work cause Obito can past through it with Kamui
• Totsuka can't hit him because of Kamui
• He can get inside the Susanoo easily
• Normal Genjutsu doesn't work on sharingan users
• Itachi's normal Ninjutsu sucks compared to Obito's
• Itachi's Taijutsu won't do shit as Obito countered Guy in their fight
• Itachi said Izanami is not made for battle
• KA was programed to be used on Itachi's eye so won't work on Obito
• He has no jutsu that counters Obito's kamui
• 1 touch and Obito wins

Obito Low Diff

This is one of the most exagerrated posts I've seen on this base.

-No proof of that.
-He gave up one eye and had to use Izanagi. Is he really willing to lose one eye when fighting Itachi?
-You don't know that either and I don't think Itachi would just stand there and let Obito get to him when he sees him phasing through
-If it hits him when he's tangible and not expecting it, you know it will
-If Itachi stands there and lets him
-It still takes them a while to see through it, at least with Itachi's. During the fight he had with Sasuke, Sasuke always took a few moments before truly realizing what was really going on
-Itachi has a perfect score for ninjutsu in the databook. He's also shown more techs than Obito.
-Yeah, when he had the rinnegan at that point. It wasn't only MS.
-Yeah, it's made to stop Izanagi...which Obito had to use to get rid of the amaterasu activation
-True. But if we are going to create a fanfic Obito, we might as well give Itachi the priviledge of implanting any command he wishes into the crow too.
-Any surprise attack counters kamui. If Obito isn't suspecting it, he gets hurt. Shown when he had to use Izanagi both for Itachi's amaterasu activation and Konan's trap. Then when he lost his arm twice to Minato and Torune.
-That's the equivalent of saying one look at Itachi and Obito is done due to genjutsu, because Itachi is the only Uchiha shown to have non-ocular genjutsu as well.

Itachi takes it high-diff. U_U

 

[Silver Wolf]

In the OP you gave him inyouton, so he can use the staff correct?

The six path justus can be done without the eyes, but he'll need both blood and power of the clans (Uchih/Senju)

Since you restrict one of them that leaves him with uchiha kinjustu and Inyouton (the exception from you), correct?

That means no Perfect Inzanagi, Mokuton (other senju enhancement healing), six path justu, Gedo Mazou, or multiple bijuus.

Obito still wins

There's another thing i can't agree with you about, which is your stamtemnts you've been spouting since you joined about the six paths jutsu being usable without Rinnegan, and i know which scan you'll post so no need to do so. But that can't be used as a solid argument because that same scan can be interpreted as Madara teaching him the jutsu so he can teach Nagato and use it in case Nagato died and Obito took his eyes.

The Rinnegan is necessary for the practical use of Rikudou jutsu in an actual battle the same way Nagato does, mayhe he can use a weakened milked down version of the jutsu by possessing the powers of Senju and Uchiha but he won't be able to fully utilize them.

There's also that argument of yours about six paths jutsu being usable if a senju-uchiha hybrid such as Obito or Madara used the rod, i would like for you to fully explain the mechanics of this in details. Btw, even in this part you've misinterpreted the manga again, Madara didn't mean that Obito will be capable of using the Rikudou no jutsu by utilizing the rods, he was refering to the controling of the dead technique which can only be utilized through possesing the eyes of the sage, the Rinnegan.

One last thing, Uchiha kinjutsu Madara was referring to were Izanagi and Izanami, Obito's use of the jutsu exceeds Itachis, not because of him possessing the senju power but because his skill with the technique is actually good. So perfect Izanagi is still usable here and it wil be mpre perfect than the one we've seen him utilize before because whatever eye he uses is his original eye. But neither him nor Itachi will use this technique, not because i've restricted thm(btw i didn't as you can read clearly), but because neither will sacrifice his eye in a death match, specially since they'll lose Susanoo.

I expect a good reply and a good argument

 

[Itachi Senpai98]

Itachi would probably be able to figure out how Obito's Kamui works, but I doubt that he possesses the techniques and jutsus to counter it, so Obito wins this round

 

[Chie]

If Obito is inside the Susanoo he can't get hit by Totsuka

Obito is not stupid to get caught in Tsukyomi

Gaara already proved that Susanoo has open space, Obito can get inside

I only remember 1, Tsukyomi

Obito Fire style is Juubi sized

Base Gai at taijutsu is much better than Itachi (Gai has 5/5 and Itachi has 4.5/5)

Itachi helped by killing the other jins, so why would Obito kill him?

Amateratsu doesn't work on Obito

He isn't getting inside susanno though. Why would he get that close to Itachi, especially when you get closer to Itachi, he has a better chance of catching you in genjutsu?

That's not necessarily true. If Obito gets caught in Tsukiyomi, it is 100% over for him. Itachi can change how long it lasts in real life and in the genjutsu itself. When he used in on Kakashi, it lasted one second in real life and 3 days in the genjutsu. When he used it on Sasuke during their fight, he used it for a few moments in the genjutsu and a few seconds in real life. The only reason Sasuke broke it is because he had the opportunity to do so, Itachi made it last more than a sec in real life so he could break it. If Itachi is fighting Obito, he would do the same thing he did to Kakashi.

Yeah, and that's war arc Obito. Look at MS Obito's feats here. Also, would Itachi really just stand there and not move when Obito's firestyle is coming at him? I mean really now...

Databook does compare base stats...meaning that is only including Itachi w/o sharingan. Factor that in and he easily has a 5.

Obito didn't kill Itachi when he was in Akatsuki because he could not obviously. Itachi didn't even kill other jins and he didn't actually help in capturing them. He just helped in sealing, which in reality any shinobi could do. Itachi didn't even capture Naruto and Obito knew that he never would because he knew the truth about him. If he could have killed Itachi, he would have considering that any missing-nin could take his place and would actually want to get Naruto, also he wouldn't have to have put a pause on his plan for 7 years.

It didn't work because he gave up an eye to use Izanagi. Is he really willing to do that in a fight like this against Itachi?

 

[Silver Wolf]

High diff is real Obito, this one stomps

You do realize that the real Obito is way more powerful than this one, he's an Uchiha-Senju hybrid, being able to use the Inyouton jutsus to their highest, in my opinion better than double Kamui and Susanoo

 

[Stark]

Obito can't pass through ethereal objects like Totsuka and Yata, fail Obito fans. Itachi takes this mid-high.

 

[VongolaX]

There's another thing i can't agree with you about, which is your stamtemnts you've been spouting since you joined about the six paths jutsu being usable without Rinnegan, and i know which scan you'll post so no need to do so. But that can't be used as a solid argument because that same scan can be interpreted as Madara teaching him the jutsu so he can teach Nagato and use it in case Nagato died and Obito took his eyes.

The Rinnegan is necessary for the practical use of Rikudou jutsu in an actual battle the same way Nagato does, mayhe he can use a weakened milked down version of the jutsu by possessing the powers of Senju and Uchiha but he won't be able to fully utilize them.

There's also that argument of yours about six paths jutsu being usable if a senju-uchiha hybrid such as Obito or Madara used the rod, i would like for you to fully explain the mechanics of this in details. Btw, even in this part you've misinterpreted the manga again, Madara didn't mean that Obito will be capable of using the Rikudou no jutsu by utilizing the rods, he was refering to the controling of the dead technique which can only be utilized through possesing the eyes of the sage, the Rinnegan.

One last thing, Uchiha kinjutsu Madara was referring to were Izanagi and Izanami, Obito's use of the jutsu exceeds Itachis, not because of him possessing the senju power but because his skill with the technique is actually good. So perfect Izanagi is still usable here and it wil be mpre perfect than the one we've seen him utilize before because whatever eye he uses is his original eye. But neither him nor Itachi will use this technique, not because i've restricted thm(btw i didn't as you can read clearly), but because neither will sacrifice his eye in a death match, specially since they'll lose Susanoo.

I expect a good reply and a good argument

Madara himself knows nothing about the dead bodies manipulation through black rods.

Pain rikudou is different than rikudou no Justu


Pain rikudou no Justu translate to six paths of pein.

While rikudou no Justu translate to six path justu.

The six bodies is a technique created by Nagato and named after himself...Pain.

Now you may of witness that the scans of Orange mask Obito using Gedo Mazou to seal up the tentacle of bee when Nagato was out destroying konoha.

^^Do you need a scan for that one?

Also, pain is a perfect example of Nagato using six path Justus through the chakra rods.

Nagato didn't implant rinnegan into all those corspe, he put chakra rods into them so they can use the six path Justus.

I'll explain in detail, but it would take some time.

Last thing is the uchiha kinjustu doesn't require senju DNA, except for inzanagi.

That's both uchiha kinjustu and yin yang technique (Inyouton).

The one I was referring to is uchiha flame wall, return of the uchiha, and the seals he use to become a jinchuuriki and extract a jinchuuriki.

 

[Draphsin]

Itachi is healthy and top notch, Obito is a fanfiction one that has both eyes

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