Obito Uchiha vs. Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki

[wael reda]

I can't believe people are actually debating that Obito Wins. Obito stands zero chance.

Give me one ability hagromo has can beat this obito ,oh no all he has is hype except for flying,gudomas,moon sized ct and yin yang seal which either obito has too or he can comfortably counter it

By hype,kaguya was said to be stronger than hagromo however this obito can beat kaguya ,he can comfortably counter anything she has

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Kaguya vs Obito is not important here (even though obito would win). What is important is Obito vs Hagoromo.

Kamui warps gudou dama's, making them useless. Yin/Yang seal needs contact for a few seconds, so it wont work if obito goes intangible, Chibaku Tensei doesn't work if obito is in another dimension, and that's all of Hagoromo's feats rendered useless by Kamui.

HAgoromo was a priest, not a Ninja. He would have less combat experience than Kaguya, who atleast soloed a war between fodders.

 

[wael reda]

It is truth, But Current Kaguya is nowhere close to Past Kaguya powerwise, She still seems to regaining her powers/chakra.
Hagoromo only admitted being weaker then Past Kaguya.

Past Kaguya > JJ Hagoromo/JJ Three eyed Madara > JJ Obito with Kamui >=Current Kaguya

Manga proof or just your opinion!?? ,also jiubiobito with all kamui abilities can beat third eye jj madara

 

[Ansatsuken]

I think you forgot that kamui can travel through any dimension ,so saying kaguya warps him to lava(though obito can fly),gravity,ice or acid dimension is meaningless since obito can easily travel through dimensions ,

Jiubiobito reacted to ftg directly on his body by gudoma defence which isn't instant ,now he can make himself intangible instantly ,he can easily react to any of kaguya teleportation which is slower than ftg directly to a mark on your body

Kamui snipe is all ranges ,that isn't disadvantage Lol

But can he do the Kamui traveling without Kaguya portal ectivated, that mean just raw environment, no

If he can travel to any dimension without synic with Kaguya dimension, that mean he not needed Kaguya portal but opposite happen, that mean he can't travel through Kaguya dimension easily

All Kaguya dimensions just can be access from Kaguya main dimension, and not other dimensions

Obito just able to travel in it own dimesion only

This is also one person here in the base that keep misleading about Obito ability to travel other dimension that not his own.

When is juubito ever react to Tobirama FTG, one when he sent back his TSB ball back to Juubito and one when Tobirama sent sage mode Naruto to attack Juubito with sage Rasengan. That is by using FTG mark on Juubito back by Tobirama.

All that hit him perfectly without even his TSB able to react. He aware but can't do anything.

Same also to portal grab, even some one that having sage power like Sasuke can't react, in Naruto case. I think more to Kishi MC saving effort. Because he keep gaining new ability every chapter without even us readers can't gauge really well how or what is the limit of Naruto speed and reaction. It never establish.

Look currently the problem is prevail in latest chapter, how long Naruto take just to get at Kaguya to seal her, when before he just happen appear in front of Kaguya like instant and cut off her hand. How contradict is Naruto speed everytime.

Look before Naruto unable to even sense and avoid Kaguya appearance behind him in chapter 682 "Kaguya Tears". How contradict is that

This manga contradict much and it have no clear indicative in many thing.

Even feat that Juubito display can happen that it can't be use or become indicator currently.

Because that all this point is directly to instant intangible, the closer the distance and fast portal grab can catch Obito off guard, or using ash bone when Juubito is late to aware/sense. Ash bone/portal grab not show build up chakra like Amaterasu of Sasuke. They are natural technique, just reflex able to save you.

Even Juubito countless time manage to be attack by sudden attack by Minato, Tobirama, even him just happen to relay with TSB and chakra hand as hope of late safe defense.

Show me Kamui snipe is all range where Kakshi need to get closer at Madara TSB shield to Kamui snipe it, and give Guy the opening for attack.

That mean it still short range not long unless state otherwise in manga

 

[Tarinth]

First of all, the juubi that Hagoromo fought was much greater than the one Obito sealed in himself. I'd like to remind you guys
that the Juubi then, was Kaguya, who has not only all of the bijuus, but the chakra of almost everyone as well. So that Juubi
was >> then the one that was incapable of budging. Besides, Hagoromo was worried about Kaguya coming back after he died as well,
and not simply worried about temporarily disabling her. So Obito sealing the Juubi easily is a horrible explanation on why he is
> Sage.
Second, non-juubi jin Sage is stronger than normal Obito, and his Juubi is much stronger. Their gudodama both get bypassed
by senjutsu. While Obito has some kamui hax, PS, which he hasn't been proven to have, gets absorbed. Any sudden attack
by Obito, and Sage Shinra Tenseis him the moment Obito gets near. Obito has no way of beating Sage. At best, he just
constantly bypasses Sages attacks, tries to attack, gets injured, and eventually either gets outlasted. Or one of the times
he gets hit by the Sage, gets stunned enough for the Sage to GG him right there.

 

[wael reda]

But can he do the Kamui traveling without Kaguya portal ectivated, that mean just raw environment, no

If he can travel to any dimension without synic with Kaguya dimension, he can't travel through Kaguya dimension

All Kaguya dimensions just can be access from Kaguya main dimension, and not other dimensions

Obito just able to travel in it own dimesion only

This is also one person here in the base that keep misleading about Obito ability to travel other dimension that not his own.

When is juubito ever react to Tobirama FTG, one when he sent back his TSB ball back to Juubito and one when Tobirama sent sage mode Naruto to attack Juubito with sage Rasengan. That is by using FTG mark on Juubito back by Tobirama.

All that hit him perfectly without even his TSB able to react. He aware but can't do anything.

Same also to portal grab, even some one that having sage power like Sasuke can't react, in Naruto case. I think more to Kishi MC saving effort. Because he keep gaining new ability every chapter without even us readers can't gauge really well how or what is the limit of Naruto speed and reaction. It never establish.

Look currently the problem is prevail in latest chapter, how long Naruto take just to get at Kaguya to seal her, when before he just happen appear in front of Kaguya like instant and cut off her hand. How contradict is Naruto speed everytime.

Look before Naruto unable to even sense and avoid Kaguya appearance behind him in chapter 682 "Kaguya Tears". How contradict is that

This manga contradict much and it have no clear indicative in many thing.

Even feat that Juubito display can happen that it can't be use or become indicator currently.

Because that all this point is directly to instant intangible, the closer the distance and fast portal grab can catch Obito off guard, or using ash bone when Juubito is late to aware/sense. Ash bone/portal grab not show build up chakra like Amaterasu of Sasuke. They are natural technique, just reflex able to save you.

Even Juubito countless time manage to be attack by sudden attack by Minato, Tobirama, even him just happen to relay with TSB and chakra hand as hope of late safe defense.

Show me Kamui snipe is all range where Kakshi need to get closer at Madara TSB shield to Kamui snipe it, and give Guy the opening for attack.

That mean it still short range not long unless state otherwise in manga

No,obito was able to travel through dimension without kaguya using her portal ,like when he did when he was searching for sasuke and when he came back with sakura and sasuke to naruto in the acid dimension ,you are the one who needs to prove that kaguya can go out from kamui dimension(though I think so)



Kakashi needed to get close to madara's TSP because he was nearly blind after using ms so many times,he didn't say he can't use it from long range ,he said he can't use it from far distance accuratly because he was nearly blind
Kakashi himself stated that kamui is long range jutsu when he was fighting diedra and explaining to naruto how to beat him ,he said you should have shikamaru brain or a long range advanced attack to beat long range fighter like diedra ,he said he have both and later he used kamui on diedra

Also data book says ,as long as kakashi can see his target ,he can warp it ,(it just won't be accurate if he is half blind ofc Lol)

Sm naruto (teleported by tobirama) could hit jiubiobito because he relied on his intangibility which didn't work ,he himself said that he cant use the intangibility while being jiubi jin
Tobirama couldn't hit obi to with the tsb ,obito easily surrounded himself by gudoma which isn't instant ,also obito reacted to bm naruto and bm minato teleported directly on him by his chakra arms

Tobirama himself said that if he teleported on obito again ,he would be killed

Now obito has the intangibility which is instant ,he can surly react to slower teleportation than ftg directly on his body

 

[Ansatsuken]

No,obito was able to travel through dimension without kaguya using her portal ,like when he did when he was searching for sasuke and when he came back with sakura and sasuke to naruto in the acid dimension ,you are the one who needs to prove that kaguya can go out from kamui dimension(though I think so)



Kakashi needed to get close to madara's TSP because he was nearly blind after using ms so many times,he didn't say he can't use it from long range ,he said he can't use it from far distance accuratly because he was nearly blind
Kakashi himself stated that kamui is long range jutsu when he was fighting diedra and explaining to naruto how to beat him ,he said you should have shikamaru brain or a long range advanced attack to beat long range fighter like diedra ,he said he have both and later he used kamui on diedra

Also data book says ,as long as kakashi can see his target ,he can warp it ,(it just won't be accurate if he is half blind ofc Lol)

Sm naruto (teleported by tobirama) could hit jiubiobito because he relied on his intangibility which didn't work ,he himself said that he cant use the intangibility while being jiubi jin
Tobirama couldn't hit obi to with the tsb ,obito easily surrounded himself by gudoma which isn't instant ,also obito reacted to bm naruto and bm minato teleported directly on him by his chakra arms

Tobirama himself said that if he teleported on obito again ,he would be killed

Now obito has the intangibility which is instant ,he can surly react to slower teleportation than ftg directly on his body

Obito can't travel Kaguya dimensions freely, he need to get to Kaguya main dimension first as he and Sakura is in when searching for Sasuke.

If he not needed Kaguya portal sync, why he need to wait for Kaguya open his portal,

He just open Kaguya dimension freely and enter the main dimension, but that did not happen, he must wait for Naruto to trick Kaguya for her to open portal

Again, you is the one that must look closer at understand the manga not me, I'm well aware what actually happen.

Without connection to Kaguya portal dimension Obito can't go inside any Kaguya's dimensions even using his own dimension to connect to her dimension, it can't

But the longer range still have a limit. He can't Kamui anything that to far from his sight.

When he Kamui Kaguya ash bone and portal, he still able to see the move clearly, that mean his range still not to far/long

But if Kaguya just size of apple or unclear in his sight, he can't afford to Kamui snipe her.

His sight is the determination here, that mean that is the limit.

Yeah. I have check the manga, it depend on how clear his sight was

That mean is still short range to Kamui sight ability not short range to 10m or 30m

And it proof it not have freely long range ability, the sight is the limit

He can't Kamui Kaguya that miles/km from him that he can't see clearly

And the other advantages to Kamui is fast moveable person like Kaguya posses.

In latest he able to Kamui unmovable portal

That also is the problem here for Kamui snipe

LOL, Kaguya never use teleportation dude to move to opponent, she simply grab them at any point using portal and what she must do is double the speed of the grab and make the portal instant and closer as possible.

That is mother of FTG and Rinnegan swap there

 

[wael reda]

Obito can't travel Kaguya dimensions freely, he need to get to Kaguya main dimension first as he and Sakura is in when searching for Sasuke.

If he not needed Kaguya portal sync, why he need to wait for Kaguya open his portal,

He just open Kaguya dimension freely and enter the main dimension, but that did not happen, he must wait for Naruto to trick Kaguya for her to open portal

Again, you is the one that must look closer at understand the manga not me, I'm well aware what actually happen.

Without connection to Kaguya portal dimension Obito can't go inside any Kaguya's dimensions even using his own dimension to connect to her dimension, it can't

But the longer range still have a limit. He can't Kamui anything that to far from his sight.

When he Kamui Kaguya ash bone and portal, he still able to see the move clearly, that mean his range still not to far/long

But if Kaguya just size of apple or unclear in his sight, he can't afford to Kamui snipe her.

His sight is the determination here, that mean that is the limit.

Yeah. I have check the manga, it depend on how clear his sight was

That mean is still short range to Kamui sight ability not short range to 10m or 30m

And it proof it not have freely long range ability, the sight is the limit

He can't Kamui Kaguya that miles/km from him that he can't see clearly

And the other advantages to Kamui is fast moveable person like Kaguya posses.

In latest he able to Kamui unmovable portal

That also is the problem here for Kamui snipe

LOL, Kaguya never use teleportation dude to move to opponent, she simply grab them at any point using portal and what she must do is double the speed of the grab and make the portal instant and closer as possible.

That is mother of FTG and Rinnegan swap there

Then kaguya can't escape kamui dimension too

Sharingan sight isn't short range ,it is many times better than the normal sight ,also sharingan can zoom the objects in like when obito zoomed in danzo's guard insects inside his body and like when sasuke zoomed in diedra's c4 inside his body ,kamui is long range attack as kakashi himself said against diedra,it just won't be accurate if he is half blind

 

[SaskeyUchihahahaTard]

hagoromo use coat and turn obito to poop.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Then kaguya can't escape kamui dimension too

Sharingan sight isn't short range ,it is many times better than the normal sight ,also sharingan can zoom the objects in like when obito zoomed in danzo's guard insects inside his body and like when sasuke zoomed in diedra's c4 inside his body ,kamui is long range attack as kakashi himself said against diedra,it just won't be accurate if he is half blind

OK the second point about kamui snipe is not important here as I know the counter or avoidance or disadvantages of it, that is fast movement and also portal hiding and attack from it.

But at point one, how do you know, it still blurry about that matter because Kaguya still not aware of that technique or not taking attention to it, and we yet to know how many dimensions Kaguya able to access and still don't know all dimension she can access

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at above scan the center dimension is the connection to all or the other dimensions

At kamui statement, I have kill it, because Obito just able to access Kaguya all dimensions if he entering kaguya core dimension. And he can't enter Kaguya other dimensions from non core dimension

But we still not having a manga fact that said kaguya unable to access Kamui dimension or can't enter Kamui dimension from her core dimension if Kamui also one of her dimension that Obito not aware off.

That you can't said Kaguya unable to enter Kamui land. That still not manga fact.

 

[KCMNaruto]

I can't believe people are actually debating that Obito Wins. Obito stands zero chance.

Yeah, I can't believe it neither

Give me one ability hagromo has can beat this obito ,oh no all he has is hype except for flying,gudomas,moon sized ct and yin yang seal which either obito has too or he can comfortably counter it

By hype,kaguya was said to be stronger than hagromo however this obito can beat kaguya ,he can comfortably counter anything she has

Hagoromo's tools should be enough. He can has sealing technique and most likely the most advanced so he could seal or block Obito's use of Kamui at least phasing.

Also Hagoromo is known for Ninshu which in essence is spreading his chakra connecting with others. What block Hagoromo from connecting chakra with Obito who has no deffence for that and hurting him through this mean ?

Also I am pretty sure Hagoromo has Space Time Ninjutsu as he traveled through time and Space as chakra, besides he has to somehow bring Hokage to Kaguya dimenssion so ?

Kaguya vs Obito is not important here (even though obito would win). What is important is Obito vs Hagoromo.

Kamui warps gudou dama's, making them useless. Yin/Yang seal needs contact for a few seconds, so it wont work if obito goes intangible, Chibaku Tensei doesn't work if obito is in another dimension, and that's all of Hagoromo's feats rendered useless by Kamui.

HAgoromo was a priest, not a Ninja. He would have less combat experience than Kaguya, who atleast soloed a war between fodders.

Hagoromo's mastery over goudama > Kamui.

Hagoromo's tools should be enough. He can has sealing technique and most likely the most advanced so he could seal or block Obito's use of Kamui at least phasing.

Also Hagoromo is known for Ninshu which in essence is spreading his chakra connecting with others. What block Hagoromo from connecting chakra with Obito who has no deffence for that and hurting him through this mean ?

Hagoromo and Hamura fought Juubi I am sure it was far from lacking experience. Also he was living in war time so he taijtusu and weapon mastery had to be top notch as well.

Manga proof or just your opinion!?? ,also jiubiobito with all kamui abilities can beat third eye jj madara

I don't need manga stating it, because I have eyes and I can conclude it. Just read manga and you will know it.

First of all, the juubi that Hagoromo fought was much greater than the one Obito sealed in himself. I'd like to remind you guys
that the Juubi then, was Kaguya, who has not only all of the bijuus, but the chakra of almost everyone as well. So that Juubi
was >> then the one that was incapable of budging. Besides, Hagoromo was worried about Kaguya coming back after he died as well,
and not simply worried about temporarily disabling her. So Obito sealing the Juubi easily is a horrible explanation on why he is
> Sage.
Second, non-juubi jin Sage is stronger than normal Obito, and his Juubi is much stronger. Their gudodama both get bypassed
by senjutsu. While Obito has some kamui hax, PS, which he hasn't been proven to have, gets absorbed. Any sudden attack
by Obito, and Sage Shinra Tenseis him the moment Obito gets near. Obito has no way of beating Sage. At best, he just
constantly bypasses Sages attacks, tries to attack, gets injured, and eventually either gets outlasted. Or one of the times
he gets hit by the Sage, gets stunned enough for the Sage to GG him right there.

^^ exactly he know what he is speaking

hagoromo use coat and turn obito to poop.

Lool, I just imagined it myself

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

First of all, the juubi that Hagoromo fought was much greater than the one Obito sealed in himself. I'd like to remind you guys
that the Juubi then, was Kaguya, who has not only all of the bijuus, but the chakra of almost everyone as well. So that Juubi
was >> then the one that was incapable of budging. Besides, Hagoromo was worried about Kaguya coming back after he died as well,
and not simply worried about temporarily disabling her. So Obito sealing the Juubi easily is a horrible explanation on why he is
> Sage.
Second, non-juubi jin Sage is stronger than normal Obito, and his Juubi is much stronger. Their gudodama both get bypassed
by senjutsu. While Obito has some kamui hax, PS, which he hasn't been proven to have, gets absorbed. Any sudden attack
by Obito, and Sage Shinra Tenseis him the moment Obito gets near. Obito has no way of beating Sage. At best, he just
constantly bypasses Sages attacks, tries to attack, gets injured, and eventually either gets outlasted. Or one of the times
he gets hit by the Sage, gets stunned enough for the Sage to GG him right there.

Would you rather be fighting a stronger opponent with the help of your all powerful brother, or a weaker opponent with a hole in your chest, Your old teacher trying to cut off your face, and a psychopath trying to control you?

 

[Unorthodox]

wael reda is a troll beyond reason Hagoromo stomps.

him in his brother took on a Juubito with all its tailed beast powers on top of that it had everyone chakra in the world Hagoromo gave Sasuke his s/t thus he can teleport aswell Obito lacks anyform of Nature energy so Hagoromo's preta path shits on everything his his arsenal he created the Moon on his death bed without juubi meaning him healthy can create Chibaku tensei's at that size aswell has COAT he can literally make engless techs to deal with the latter His limbo would turn Obito to paste

 

[wael reda]

wael reda is a troll beyond reason Hagoromo stomps.

him in his brother took on a Juubito with all its tailed beast powers on top of that it had everyone chakra in the world Hagoromo gave Sasuke his s/t thus he can teleport aswell Obito lacks anyform of Nature energy so Hagoromo's preta path shits on everything his his arsenal he created the Moon on his death bed without juubi meaning him healthy can create Chibaku tensei's at that size aswell has COAT he can literally make engless techs to deal with the latter His limbo would turn Obito to paste

Sasuke has 6 tomoe rinningan while rikudo has tomoeless rinningan so assumming he can use sasuke's s/t is fanfic(that is what happens when you put featless character in vs thread)
hagromo hasn't limbo ,it is madara's jutsu
Obito can counter moon sized CT by his teleportation
Featless hagromo(except for some abilities which jiubiobito using perfect kamui can comfortably counter) isn't beating jiubiobito with all current kakashi's abilities (but in another whole scale since he has jiubi chakra) ,featless hagromo can't counter kamui

Your saying hagromo wins is based on hype ,and by hype kaguya is superior ,however I can see this obito push her to extremely high diff or even beat her (only because her s/t which hagromo hasn't)

,this is pointless thread since hagromo is nearly featless ,it would have made much more sense if it was jiubiobito with perfect kamui vs kaguya

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Sasuke has 6 tomoe rinningan while rikudo has tomoeless rinningan so assumming he can use sasuke's s/t is fanfic(that is what happens when you put featless character in vs thread)
hagromo hasn't limbo ,it is madara's jutsu
Obito can counter moon sized CT by his teleportation
Featless hagromo(except for some abilities which jiubiobito using perfect kamui can comfortably counter) isn't beating jiubiobito with all current kakashi's abilities (but in another whole scale since he has jiubi chakra) ,featless hagromo can't counter kamui

Your saying hagromo wins is based on hype ,and by hype kaguya is superior ,however I can see this obito push her to extremely high diff or even beat her

,this is pointless thread since hagromo is nearly featless ,it would have made much more sense if it was jiubiobito with perfect kamui vs kaguya

That should be an end to the discussion, but it isn't. Oh well.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Does it make you feel better that you are cheering on a slightly stronger manga character?