Obito (Restricted) vs Kakashi

[Vandenre1ch]

Obito and Kakashi are technically equal because of Kamui but Obito is stronger overall.

Obito doesnt have the biju under any circumstances because not only are they edos, its Kabuto's power.

 

[Aggregator]

Obito and Kakashi are technically equal because of Kamui but Obito is stronger overall.

Obito doesnt have the biju under any circumstances because not only are they edos, its Kabuto's power.

If Obito had access to the jinchurriki's dead bodies, I'm pretty sure he'd do what Pain did and just create his six paths of pain again. The only reason why Kabuto made them edo is because it made them virtually immortal. Obito was controlling them, not Kabuto. So, technically, the biju are apart of Obito's arsenal, just like Nagato's six paths are apart of his. All Kabuto did was make them edo, Obito controlled them.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

If Obito had access to the jinchurriki's dead bodies, I'm pretty sure he'd do what Pain did and just create his six paths of pain again. The only reason why Kabuto made them edo is because it made them virtually immortal. Obito was controlling them, not Kabuto. So, technically, the biju are apart of Obito's arsenal, just like Nagato's six paths are apart of his. All Kabuto did was make them edo, Obito controlled them.

But they are still Kabuto's summons. Obito was literally borrowing Kabuto's "powers". If Kabuto released edo tensei, the jinchurrikis will leave with it. Obito never had access to the bodies until Kabuto revived them so they are not apart of Obito's arsenal.

 

[Minato the beast 13]

I think that it will all end up as who has more stamina since they both have the sharingan

 

[Aggregator]

People who say Obito win just see the name beside capacity. How does Obito actually defeats Kakashi? Sending him in another dimension? Useless since the guy can come back whenever he wants so it doesn't count as a defeat. Enter the dimension to fight Kakashi? Bye bye intangibility. In this condition, what is he supposed to do if Kakashi is more complete as a ninja than him? We've already seen previously that Kakashi surpasses him in reflexive speed, and i won't be surprised if next week it turns out to be a clone

Plus, Obito can just kill him like he did Konan, by strangling her.

 

[Aggregator]

But they are still Kabuto's summons. Obito was literally borrowing Kabuto's "powers". If Kabuto released edo tensei, the jinchurrikis will leave with it. Obito never had access to the bodies until Kabuto revived them so they are not apart of Obito's arsenal.

True, very true. But didn't Obito supply the tailed demon's chakra? Since it was inside the gedo mazo?

 

[Nous]

Obito wins mid. difficulty. First, Kakashi is extremely lacking in Chakra Reserves. Obito was able to fight for days while controlling the Six Biju and summoning the Gedo Mazo, temporarily controlling Jubi etc. and doesn't seem tired yet. Kakashi didn't do nearly as much and is tired. We saw that after Kakashi used Kamui around 5 times, he was exhausted. Only Kurama's Chakra kept him going but Obito uses it for prolonged periods of times with no signs of tiring. Trapping one another in the other dimension wouldn't work. Knowing Kakashi, he would send a clone to the Kamui Dimension. That's half of his chakra from the clone and 1/5 from the Mangekyo gone. 7/10 of Kakashi's chakra gone and Obito has done nothing. Then Obito will engage Kakashi - his Katon are huge and he has Mokuton. This will take a toll on Kakashi, as he doesn't have Kyubi chakra. He'll have 8/10 of his chakra reserve gone. If Obito warps him one more time, it's good game. Obito can overwhelm Kakashi in many ways.

 

[Aggregator]

Obito wins mid. difficulty. First, Kakashi is extremely lacking in Chakra Reserves. Obito was able to fight for days while controlling the Six Biju and summoning the Gedo Mazo, temporarily controlling Jubi etc. and doesn't seem tired yet. Kakashi didn't do nearly as much and is tired. We saw that after Kakashi used Kamui around 5 times, he was exhausted. Only Kurama's Chakra kept him going but Obito uses it for prolonged periods of times with no signs of tiring. Trapping one another in the other dimension wouldn't work. Knowing Kakashi, he would send a clone to the Kamui Dimension. That's half of his chakra from the clone and 1/5 from the Mangekyo gone. 7/10 of Kakashi's chakra gone and Obito has done nothing. Then Obito will engage Kakashi - his Katon are huge and he has Mokuton. This will take a toll on Kakashi, as he doesn't have Kyubi chakra. He'll have 8/10 of his chakra reserve gone. If Obito warps him one more time, it's good game. Obito can overwhelm Kakashi in many ways.

^^^ This. *_*

 

[EZQ]

Obito is just the worst matchup for kakashi in all the NV

what's kakashi's stronger jutsu (the only one he has to beat stronger opponents like muu level) ?? Tha's kamui

who's the only person in all the NV that can't be killed by kamui ? OBITO

So if you want a fair fight between obito and kakashi, you will never find it...

EXEPT if we talk about they both being in the kamui dimension... then base kakashi >= no intangible obito i think

 

[EZQ]

^^^ This. *_*

Good thoughts, but one mistake, one normal kagebunshin doesn't take the half of kakashi's chakra, ration bushins do that, but normal shadow clones doesn't, after fighting zabuza, an exhausted kakashi made around 30 clones to scare gato...

Also kakashi ain't fodder, if he sends a clone to the kamui dimension then he will sart fighting obito 1v1, and we have seen already in the kamui dimension that kakashi is superior if they are both kamui restricted.

But then if you allow gedo mazo (not the 6 paths, just the gedo) then obito rapes, but if we talk about both kamui restricted kakashi is a lil bit superior (if gedo and paths are restricted)

 

[EZQ]

Also i forgot, if kakashi sends a clone to the dimension obito's intangibility is gone so..

I don't think that obito without intangibility, pahts or rinnegnan > kakashi without kamui...

 

[Raikiri808]

Now you're just being a fanboy. They both have kamui, making it a fair fight. Don't try to change the scenario just because your favorite character loses in this given circumstance.

You're the one being a fanboy im not trying to change any scenario im stating how it is theyre both in kamui dimension so no using kamui they're gonna settle it once and for all but im not even gonna argue with you because you're too stupid to comprehend anything anyone is saying and aren't gonna listen to reason

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

kakashi's attacks can't touch him. his kamui wont work on the original/real kamui owner. if they teleport to the dimension, wouldnt obito just teleport back again?
also he can just summon kurama (dont tell me its not his power, it is his summon and thus his power. if madara gets kurama so should obi)

People who say Obito win just see the name beside capacity. How does Obito actually defeats Kakashi? Sending him in another dimension? Useless since the guy can come back whenever he wants so it doesn't count as a defeat.

by outlasting him. do you think kakashi has infinite chakra? he cant hurt his opponent unless he keeps on sending his own attacks into the other dimension. but we know that a raikiri kunai would only make a scratch on the mask and anything else is too attached to kakashi's own body to kamui away.
or you know, summon nine tails

We've already seen previously that Kakashi surpasses him in reflexive speed, and i won't be surprised if next week it turns out to be a clone

yeah reflexive speed of an exhausted tired obito. masked obito was an absolute speed demon

Kakashi would win. Their kamui neutralise each other.

then why didnt kakashi neutralise the intangibility the moment he found out their eyes were connected?

Take kamui away from both of them the way it is in the situation now and Kakashi >/= Obito

no one did. pointless comment

If u willd take them One on one vithout that Shit u Wulld se how Kakashi>Obito

take anyones power from them and they become weaker. your basically admitting the only reason kakashi > obito is the fact obito was nerfed

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Kakashi, as per canon.

All Kakashi has to do is go to Kamui dimension and beat him there.