Obito, Itachi, Shisui?
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Kamui GG. Kotoamatsukami has a 10 year cooldown, and that makes it essentially worthless at all times.
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He was surprised, I am sure he didnt know Danzo had Izanagi and Hashi cells which he stole, because without anyone else power he's fodder, like Kabuto. So Shisui not fodder, he was just caught of guard, and still escaped! if he wanted to kill Danzo he could have. Danzo is not Madara he cant activate a jutsu as soon as he sees it with out any practice like Madara did with Kakashi Kamui. So one could say that all Shisui had to do was regroup, recharge, and kotoamatsukami blitz. So had Shisui really wanted too I am sure he could have continued to use Kotoamatsukami. But this would have lead to civil war anyway, which is not what he wanted, like Itachi. So he killed himself.
EDIT: who says this charge up time applies to Shisui?
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It does given a) He knew the recharge time (otherwise, how else would Itachi know it would take exactly a decade to recharge... Shisui told him at some point) and b) He committed suicide and left the entire burden on his 11 yr old best friend... an adult with KA wouldn't have done that if they could still use the eye- the eye he gave Itachi was useless. Shisui was giving up since he could contribute nothing to the situation involving the Uchiha and village.
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Actually im pretty sure Itachi just figured it took that long since the eye was not active. Do you think he would tell any and everyone that it takes a decade every time he uses this tech (Shisui)? I doubt even Fugaku knew of this disadvantage, Danzo aswell. besides how do we know that when both eyes are together, the time isnt infinitely reduced? or reduced period?
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No, Itachi must have been told. He's not the type to just throw out an exact time frame by a guess.
If you consider the novels canon- Shisui actually did tell Itachi about the time limit and how KA works. xD
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Novels... not manga panels. How can I post a scan of that?
Purchase the novel on preorder via Amazon and read the official English translation in December to support the industry, since I think if I just posted Japanese text it wouldn't hold any meaning to you.
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then its no canonNovels... not manga panels. How can I post a scan of that?
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It's also not canon that Kotoamatsukami takes shorter than ten years to recharge for anyone who isn't Danzo.
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have you ever seen KA activated with both eyes? Have you ever seen Shisui use it? have you ever seen Shisui say it takes "ten years" everytime I use KA? No, Because that would make little to no sense. Danzo wasnt Uchiha. Itachi wasnt Shisui, and he did not have the eye implanted in HIM nor did he have both. So you cant say for sure how long it would have taken him, or if he would have been able to use it continuously like OBITO and Kamui with little to no side effects.
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i think kamui is the most hax atleast obito's kamui version is as he can become intangible and he can see genjutsu activation and can counter it unlike others as seen how kakashi was able to know itachi is going to use tsukuyomi with his sharingan and thanks to his kamui not only he can read enemy's moves also can be intangible to any attack either it be physical or genjutsu.
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Canon = Confirmed.
You cannot just ascribe feats to characters that have not been performed by them.
So, no matter what you say, it will never be canon that Shisui can use Kotoamatsukami continuously.
However, these things are canon:
Kamui can still be used continuously even with one eye, as long as you have the chakra reserves, so that's a bad example. The properties of Kamui are not the properties of Kotoamatsukami.
In any case, the addition of Hashirama's cells increase the power of dojutsu more than just being an Uchiha does (Izanagi is a prime example of this; Izanagi normally does not last as long as one minute per activation), so it's extremely unlikely that Shisui could use Kotoamatsukami more efficiently than Danzo could.
With both eyes, Kamui was shown to only increase the speed of Kamui's activation by like, 100%. Definitely not by roughly 350,000% (what it would take to move Kotoamatsukami from 10 years to 1 day).
With both eyes, no MS has been shown to be useable with little to no side effects. Itachi's eyes bleed when he uses Amaterasu. So does Sasuke's prior to attaining EMS. Tsukuyomi exhausts Itachi if he overuses it. Obito has Hashirama's cells. Madara has EMS. Not comparable.
Basically, Shisui being able to do the things you're saying he might be able to do:
- Have never been confirmed in the manga.
- Are directly contradicted by existing evidence on how the Mangekyo Sharingan works for literally everyone else.
- Are directly contradicted by the plain fact that Hashirama's cells enhance the abilities of both unevolved and Mangekyo Sharingan alike beyond what Uchiha are capable of on their own, as demonstrated by both Danzo's Izanagi/Kotoamatsukami and Obito's ability to use Kamui continuously with no side-effects (whereas Itachi and Sasuke cannot use their MS techs without suffering visible drawbacks and Kakashi's suffers from heavy chakra drain and blurred vision).
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