Obito did not use powers to save himself from rocks

[Uchiha Josephus]

When the rocks caved in the ceiling of the tunnel, Obito's body fell away from the rocks. Hence why the rest of him wasn't crushed and why Madara called it a miracle.

If we assume that he used his MS abilities, then he would be at the bottom of the rock pile, just not crushed since he'd be still "phasing". And Madara would have had to dig him out.

He did not use MS. He still has 2 tomoe sharingan.

And there you have it. Good day.

 

[Ōkami]

i'm pretty sure Madara found him in a collapsed tunnel in his secret hideout

 

[yellowxflash]

I think madara was implying he used his intangabibility by accident it was shoved in our faces

 

[ziggyZ]

Who knows:shrug:
I for one believe that Kishi must elaborate on that matter much more.

 

[Uchiha Josephus]

i'm pretty sure Madara found him in a collapsed tunnel in his secret hideout

... yes that is correct. :|

I think madara was implying he used his intangabibility by accident it was shoved in our faces

Yeah, I feel like Kishi threw this in there for the purpose of confusion xd

 

[jt1891]

Your forgetting about his ability to warp himself to other locations, and that when he does so, he carries along anything he is in contact with. Besides, it had to have been Kamui. He was injured outside of Grass, and Mountain's Graveyard (Madara's Base) is in an entirely different country. Given that Madara couldn't have possibly dug him out of the ground in Grass because of his limitations, Obito had to have warped.

 

[sulanis]

I think madara was implying he used his intangabibility by accident it was shoved in our faces

i think this as well

 

[Uchiha Josephus]

Your forgetting about his ability to warp himself to other locations, and that when he does so, he carries along anything he is in contact with. Besides, it had to have been Kamui. He was injured outside of Grass, and Mountain's Graveyard (Madara's Base) is in an entirely different country. Given that Madara couldn't have possibly dug him out of the ground in Grass because of his limitations, Obito had to have warped.

... I'm pretty sure he uses Kamui (S/T technique) for both phasing and warping.

As far as the base is concerned, I was referring to one of the (apparent) tunnels running throughout the countries that Madara travels through.

EDIT -> And again, he STILL HAS 2 TOMOE SHARINGAN. There are no attached abilities to 2 tomoe sharingans except the ability to see chakra, copy moves, and "predict" attacks better. This is common knowledge. He did not go from 2 tomoe to MS to 2 tomoe again xd

 

[jt1891]

... I'm pretty sure he uses Kamui (S/T technique) for both phasing and warping.

As far as the base is concerned, I was referring to one of the (apparent) tunnels running throughout the countries that Madara travels through.

"If we assume that he used his MS abilities, then he would be at the bottom of the rock pile, just not crushed since he'd be still "phasing". And Madara would have had to dig him out."

I was addressing that. Kamui would have warped him and the boulder he was in contact with to Madara's Lair. He wouldn't have been at the 'bottom of the rock pile'.

And yes, so am I. The tunnels are in Mountain's Graveyard, which again, is in a completely different country from where Obito was injured.

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Mountain's Graveyard is at the tip of the peninsula to the right of Waterfall, with Grass being well below that. Even if Madara's tunnels stretched that far, he couldn't possibly travel all that way with his dependence on Hashi-Pet.

 

[Uchiha Josephus]

"If we assume that he used his MS abilities, then he would be at the bottom of the rock pile, just not crushed since he'd be still "phasing". And Madara would have had to dig him out."

I was addressing that. Kamui would have warped him and the boulder he was in contact with to Madara's Lair. He wouldn't have been at the 'bottom of the rock pile'.

And yes, so am I. The tunnels are in Mountain's Graveyard, which again, is in a completely different country from where Obito was injured.

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Mountain's Graveyard is at the tip of the peninsula to the right of Waterfall, with Grass being well below that. Even if Madara's tunnels stretched that far, he couldn't possibly travel all that way with his dependence on Hashi-Pet.

... meh ... to complicated. When it is all said and done, he did not have MS (w/ Kamui) at the time. He had 2 tomoe.

Also, we can't make assumptions on how far Madara can travel - who knows how long those roots can get xd And remember how far the Zetsu were able to travel underground through root systems.

 

[jt1891]

Actually, it's never been said that you -have- to have the basic Sharingan mastered to awaken the MS. It's logical, yes, but since when has Kishi cared for logic? Besides, Madara's words are an almost direct reference to Kamui's abilities. "It's almost as if you were able to slip away from it." If that isn't Kamui, what is it?

 

[Uchiha Josephus]

Actually, it's never been said that you -have- to have the basic Sharingan mastered to awaken the MS. It's logical, yes, but since when has Kishi cared for logic? Besides, Madara's words are an almost direct reference to Kamui's abilities. "It's almost as if you were able to slip away from it." If that isn't Kamui, what is it?

... I can see that this is not going to get anywhere ... xd

I go with what Madara said, "it's almost as if you were able to slip away from it" -> that is, not "through" it. In other words "you're lucky as f*** that you're alive!"

I still hold to the long held progression of the Sharingan.

 

[Stark]

Madara was sitting in the crapper, he then saw his tunnel collapse so he dropped his turd and rescued a little boy.

 

[Uchiha Josephus]

Madara was sitting in the crapper, he then saw his tunnel collapse so he dropped his turd and rescued a little boy.

sounds legit xd

 

[Simple Math]

the answer is madara and nothing else

 

[Ryan Ensign]

It's actually stated that it was as if Obito slipped away from the rocks. Kamui just happens to grant the user phasing and teleportation.

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It was probably Kamui.

 

[jt1891]

*shrugs*

As I see it, you have two options:

A. An old, crippled Madara totally dependent on Hashi-Pet for his continued survival traveled hundreds of miles from Mountain's Graveyard to Kannabi Bridge outside of Kusa through a supposed tunnel system to investigate a cave-in, and found Obito. He then proceeded to drag Obito's mutilated, half-dead body back to Mountain's Graveyard to stick him back together with Zetsu-Puddy.

or...

B. Obito spontaneously activated his MS with an imperfect Sharingan and used Kamui to escape the cave in and proceeded to warp to Madara's Lair.

Both are incredibly unlikely, in my opinion, but it is what it is. And given the almost direct reference to Obito's powers, I'm going with B. We'll probably never know either way, but hey, Kishi does what Kishi does.

 

[Uchiha Josephus]

*shrugs*

As I see it, you have two options:

A. An old, crippled Madara totally dependent on Hashi-Pet for his continued survival traveled hundreds of miles from Mountain's Graveyard to Kannabi Bridge outside of Kusa through a supposed tunnel system to investigate a cave-in, and found Obito. He then proceeded to drag Obito's mutilated, half-dead body back to Mountain's Graveyard to stick him back together with Zetsu-Puddy.

or...

B. Obito spontaneously activated his MS with an imperfect Sharingan and used Kamui to escape the cave in and proceeded to warp to Madara's Lair.

Both are incredibly unlikely, in my opinion, but it is what it is. And given the almost direct reference to Obito's powers, I'm going with B. We'll probably never know either way, but hey, Kishi does what Kishi does.

LOL!!! Well I agree that unless Kishi elaborates then it'll never be fully explained. One other idea I might add in here is that Madara's hideout was very close to where Obito fell in, and that Obito, eventually, switched to a new hideout (the one that we're familiar with)

 

[niblack89]

Who said that the cave that Orbito fell into wasn't below. Madara could have been hiding there all along. I do agree that Orbito use his MS jutsu. It requires the loss of someone close. He was about to lose Kakashi and Rinn because he was sure he was gonna die. He'll probably reawaken it when Rinn dies. The MS is pretty much like SSJ.

 

[Hawker]

It's obvious Obito used his space/time technique by accident. It has been hinted very strongly. It would also make sense plotwise.
So I disagree.