normal muslims also hate radicals (proof)

[Frankenstein]

Careful.

Aim has already shared on his facebook how facebook will be responsible for the downfall of Europe,

Facebookception.

Only western sheep believe everything they hear on the news

Eastern sheep have critical thinking?

 

[Ryu Kishi]

Firstly you have your numbers wrong. I didn't say 49%. That's the number of muslims worldwide who approve of al-Qaeda.

Secondly I said 20-40 of muslims in Europe think that suicide bombings are justified. This is a cold hard fact.

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Thirdly, you can't refute the conclusions of worldwide statistical researches by based on 4-6 people you saw on some random video on youtube. That's a logical fallacy and just plain wrong.





Studies, researches and polls are different than media. But often media articles about these issues are based on those studies.



lmao. Did you just really say that? All it is is an attempt to try to ignore and downplay the the actual attidues of hundreds of millions people. Basically by your logic 100 million muslims do suicide bombings and when an islam official says it's wrong then it's all fine and dandy and the'res no problem with the culture whatsoever. It's truly astoundishing how blatant the self deception of muslims is. Also ways in denial and finding ways to blame media or exremists

















You guys are seeing it how you want to see it. You guys also have your numbers wrong and you make wrong conclusions about those numbers and what they actually mean. Blaming only radicals or media when for example the human right violations in islamic cultures and it's laws are common, and also commonly accepted in muslim communities.

Fact is that currently over 10 islamic countries have death penalty for apostasy. Homosexualy is illegal in all islamic countries and in atleast 10 countries it is punishable by death. The migrants come from these countries.
The laws of these countries are reflected in the attitudes of their people:

Another fact is that a big bart of muslims approve of those barbaric human rights violations. This again is a fact:

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Those views given from islamic state citizens, do not differ from the ones living in for example Britain, since according to ICM survey: 40% of it's muslims want sharia law in their country:

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Yet another fact is that from time and time again, REGARDLESS of the country, polls and researches have shown that MANY, not all, not even most, but MANY muslims approve of suicide bombings, killin in the name of religion and radical groups:


ICM Poll: 20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers

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NOP Research: 1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified

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Pew Research (2013): Only 57% of Muslims worldwide disapprove of al-Qaeda. Only 51% disapprove of the Taliban. 13% support both groups and 1 in 4 refuse to say.

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Pew Research (2014): 47% of Bangladeshi Muslims says suicide bombings and violence are justified to "defend Islam". 1 in 4 believed the same in Tanzania and Egypt. 1 in 5 Muslims in the 'moderate' countries of Turkey and Malaysia.

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Federation of Student Islamic Societies: About 1 in 5 Muslim students in Britain (18%) would not report a fellow Muslim planning a terror attack.

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Pew Research (2007): 26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified.

35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall).

42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall).

22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13% overall).

29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25% overall).

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Add all that to the fact that muslims in European countries do relatively more sexual and violent crimes than others. 4-20 times more than a native European. That's big problem right there also. And you dare to blame the media?

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I've said this a million times, but you guys just don't want to see the problems, either unconciously or conciously (cognitive dissonanse).
So based on numerous neutral sources, researches and studies the approval of an oppressive, violent and discriminating sharia law, justifying suicide bombings and killing civilians and approving of al-Gaeda all are opinions that 20-40% of the muslim population shares. It's been proven that these people form a big part of muslims regardless of country.
20-40% out of all muslims is 320 to 640 million people. You don't think this is the problem? The silent approval of the problems that extremist bring into light isn't a problem?

@bold so how are you going to solve that problem? You going put those people in concentration camps?

 

[Hawker]

@bold so how are you going to solve that problem? You going put those people in concentration camps?

The question is how are muslims going to solve it. The change has to come from inside the culture. There's not much I or any other westerner can do but not welcome sharia law to western countries and limit the amount of refugees allowed into the country. We already have criminals of our own, we don't need any more people who do relatively even more crimes to come to live with us.

There's a problem whether we can solve it simply or not. I hope people will atleast admit it, so there's one stop towards right direction.

 

[Ryu Kishi]

The question is how are muslims going to solve it. The change has to come from inside the culture. There's not much I or any other westerner can do but not welcome sharia law to western countries and limit the amount of refugees allowed into the country. We already have criminals of our own, we don't need any more people who do relatively even more crimes to come to live with us.

There's a problem whether we can solve it simply or not. I hope people will atleast admit it, so there's one stop towards right direction.

So kick them out? And they will hate you less?

 

[Hawker]

So kick them out? And they will hate you less?

Basically. It's the problem they created anyways. Why do we have to pay for the ignorance of of people who represent opposite values to western ideology? How many women have to be raped or people beaten or killed before the immigrants and refugees understand to respect our laws.

Btw. about muslim raping western women, here's a islamic professor talking about the phenomenon. And it's as I suspected:

A female professor from the renowned Al-Azhar University in Cairo, Egypt, says that Muslim men are allowed by Allah to rape non-Muslim women in order to “humiliate” them:

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[Narushima]

So kick them out? And they will hate you less?

That's a rather partial way of putting it; Id prefer to say that we could learn something from prophet Muhammad himself who, on his death bed, gave the following advice (note the emphasis):

Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 52 :: Hadith 288
Narrated Said bin Jubair:

Ibn 'Abbas said, "Thursday! What (great thing) took place on Thursday!" Then he started weeping till his tears wetted the gravels of the ground . Then he said, "On Thursday the illness of Allah's Apostle was aggravated and he said, "Fetch me writing materials so that I may have something written to you after which you will never go astray." The people (present there) differed in this matter and people should not differ before a prophet. They said, "Allah's Apostle is seriously sick.' The Prophet said, "Let me alone, as the state in which I am now, is better than what you are calling me for." The Prophet on his death-bed, gave three orders saying, "Expel the pagans from the Arabian Peninsula, respect and give gifts to the foreign delegates as you have seen me dealing with them." I forgot the third (order)" (Ya'qub bin Muhammad said, "I asked Al-Mughira bin 'Abdur-Rahman about the Arabian Peninsula and he said, 'It comprises Mecca, Medina, Al-Yama-ma and Yemen." Ya'qub added, "And Al-Arj, the beginning of Tihama.")

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[Natsu Shazneel]

Basically. It's the problem they created anyways. Why do we have to pay for the ignorance of of people who represent opposite values to western ideology? How many women have to be raped or people beaten or killed before the immigrants and refugees understand to respect our laws.

Btw. about muslim raping western women, here's a islamic professor talking about the phenomenon. And it's as I suspected:

A female professor from the renowned Al-Azhar University in Cairo, Egypt, says that Muslim men are allowed by Allah to rape non-Muslim women in order to “humiliate” them:

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Are you talking about the same religion that does not allow *** before marriages?

 

[Power Bottom]

The NB racists and islamophobic logic is truly tragic.

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[Ryu Kishi]

Basically. It's the problem they created anyways. Why do we have to pay for the ignorance of of people who represent opposite values to western ideology? How many women have to be raped or people beaten or killed before the immigrants and refugees understand to respect our laws.

Btw. about muslim raping western women, here's a islamic professor talking about the phenomenon. And it'ks as I suspected:

A female professor from the renowned Al-Azhar University in Cairo, Egypt, says that Muslim men are allowed by Allah to rape non-Muslim women in order to “humiliate” them:

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Well in the past it was common practice to do those things clearly it was written by someone many hundreds of years ago and it someone who had a high rank in the religious order, and if they told people "I don't want you to do this god wants you to do this" and people wanting to anger god would do it. That's what you call ignorance, now you expect normal Muslims not to fall into this trap and do stupid things, but you will still get ignorant people,

 

[Hawker]

Are you talking about the same religion that does not allow *** before marriages?

If you mean islam then so what? That dissmisses all the facts and what the professor above said?

The NB racists and islamophobic logic is truly tragic.

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This is what every muslims says when they get owned by the facts. The denial is strong lol

 

[Frankenstein]

One day Hawker will get a girlfriend and these threads will die.

 

[Hawker]

One day Hawker will get a girlfriend and these threads will die.

Lol like a girlfriend would stop me from fighting against what's wrong in this world. As a matter of fact a girlfriend would want me to spent time on computer even more lol.

Also I didn't even start this thread. I just saw some ignorants post so I had to put them in their place.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

If you mean islam then so what? That dissmisses all the facts and what the professor above said?

Oh really so you mean to tell me I could go rape a western girl right now since you believe what the professor says as correct? I guess I wasted all those years being a virgin when there was a easier way to lose it.

 

[Marin]

Lmao. Did you just really say that? All it is is an attempt to try to ignore and downplay the the actual attidues of hundreds of millions of people. Leaders condemns an act then that's a justifiable reason not to blame the culture?
Basically by your logic 100 million muslims do suicide bombings and when an islam official says it's wrong then it's all fine and dandy and there's no problem with the culture whatsoever. It's truly astoundishing how blatant the self deception of muslims is. Always in denial and finding ways to blame media or exremists.

Never said that. ^^ Good to see you still can't read.

If an organisation officially claims that an act is wrong, they are giving their stance on the topic. Seeing how religious leaders represent the religious community they are governing, those who don't accept their views are not to be treated as a part of that community.

They are forming their own view on the matter at hand thus the 100 million muslims you speak of are a separate body from the majority of muslims who agree with the official stance.

Say this. All scientists agree that earth isn't a flat board. Now one person says it is and claims to be a scientist. Naturally, since they're making a highly non-scientific claim, them claiming to be a scientist doesn't matter. Same goes for those who claim they are muslims.
If they don't abide by the laws of Islam's officials they aren't a part of those muslims regardless of what they may say.

Common sense to wich you're obviously alergic.

Besides, my claim has nothing to do with what makes a muslim 'muslim' but is related to the OP in wich he states that "normal" muslims oppose radicals. Something that is self-evident.

 

[Frankenstein]

Lol like a girlfriend would stop me from fighting against what's wrong in this world

Also I didn't even start this thread. I just saw some ignorants post so I had to put them in their place.

Hahaha maybe she will. Maybe she will be muslim and you will get rekt, .

 

[Ryu Kishi]

Hahaha maybe she will. Maybe she will be muslim and you will get rekt, .

He would prob be paranoid half the time if that's the case, if he sees her baking a cake he would prob think its a bomb

 

[Frankenstein]

He would prob be paranoid half the time if that's the case, if he sees her baking a cake he would prob think its a bomb

Or he would make politically incorrect jokes about how she is "the bomb" or about her "explosive personality".

 

[slimreaper]

consider the pot stirred

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[SSStylish]

Media makes it look like all muslims inside are radicals

ayy, lmao. German media covers many crimes up to not give muslims a bad name and overall tells the public that more muslims/refugees is a good thing no matter how many problems actually come with it. :|

Guess US and European media are completely different.

 

[Hawker]

Never said that. ^^ Good to see you still can't read.

If an organisation officially claims that an act is wrong, they are giving their stance on the topic. Seeing how religious leaders represent the religious community they are governing, those who don't accept their views are not to be treated as a part of that community.

They are forming their own view on the matter at hand thus the 100 million muslims you speak of are a separate body from the majority of muslims who agree with the official stance.

Say this. All scientists agree that earth isn't a flat board. Now one person says it is and claims to be a scientist. Naturally, since they're making a highly non-scientific claim, them claiming to be a scientist doesn't matter. Same goes for those who claim they are muslims.
If they don't abide by the laws of Islam's officials they aren't a part of those muslims regardless of what they may say.

Common sense to wich you're obviously alergic.

Besides, my claim has nothing to do with what makes a muslim 'muslim' but is related to the OP in wich he states that "normal" muslims oppose radicals. Something that is self-evident.

You forgot that Islam has been like that for 2000 years. It hasn't really progressed. During it's existence the leaders of Islam have said and accepted some pretty horrible stuff. All in all it's just a case of commonly accepted views that helped to shape the culture and made them what they are today. One leader coming out in the open and changing his mind on certain things isn't going to take the blame from Islam as a whole.

Issues like death for apostasy and homosexuality and women's rights are still approved in most of the islamic states. That feeds the behaviour against human rights in Western countries. I don't see how it really matters if one or two islamic leaders say they condone something when their laws are what they are. In conclusion: there are too many issues with the culture itself so that you could give it a free pass based on some opinion of a few chosen people. It maybe a step for right direction, but using it as an argument really undermines the whole issue.

Btw..Isis followers take their "rules" straight from Koran. This just shows the ridiculousness and paradox of the religion itself when you are quoting a book literally for your laws and then still expect some people to cherry pick it's points and passages and expect people like Isis terrorists to follow the _view_ of a few clerics. This wasn't about Isis, but just as an example.

Hahaha maybe she will. Maybe she will be muslim and you will get rekt, .

lmao

Or he would make politically incorrect jokes about how she is "the bomb" or about her "explosive personality".

Exactly hahah