normal muslims also hate radicals (proof)

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Anyone who says more than 20% of muslims are terrorist are idiots. I'm being generous with that 20% to be honest.
Bro it's less than 0.0003.

20% equals out to 340 Million Muslim radicals and if that was the case we'd all be dead and considering the fact the group with the most radicals is the Taliban which is at most 60,000 men which means other groups such as ISIS and Boko Haram are even less than that.

Whether they hate it or not, the question is what does the religion truly speak about violence? (please don't take this the wrong way). Any time i hear news about suicide bombings that kill innocent people i ask this question and never get a definite answer
Islam is against any killing or violence against anybody unless it's Capital Punishment or in a time of War.

Prophet Muhammad (Pbuh) gave out Ten rules that a Muslim must follow while in War

1. “Do not kill any child, any woman, or any elder or sick person.” (Sunan Abu Dawud)

2. “Do not practice treachery or mutilation.(Al-Muwatta)

3. Do not uproot or burn palms or cut down fruitful trees.(Al-Muwatta)

4. Do not slaughter a sheep or a cow or a camel, except for food.” (Al-Muwatta)

5. “If one fights his brother, [he must] avoid striking the face, for God created him in the image of Adam.” (Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim)

6. “Do not kill the monks in monasteries, and do not kill those sitting in places of worship. (Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal)

7. “Do not destroy the villages and towns, do not spoil the cultivated fields and gardens, and do not slaughter the cattle.” (Sahih Bukhari; Sunan Abu Dawud)

8. “Do not wish for an encounter with the enemy; pray to God to grant you security; but when you [are forced to] encounter them, exercise patience.” (Sahih Muslim)

9. “No one may punish with fire except the Lord of Fire.” (Sunan Abu Dawud).

10. “Accustom yourselves to do good if people do good, and to not do wrong even if they commit evil.” (Al-Tirmidhi)
 
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well yow kept saying why dont normal muslims stand up blah blah, this is what happens when we see a stupid brainwashed retarded radical muslim.
This:

Or this?



These guys both go to mosques. Literally every active muslim terrorist has a record of frequenting worship services and has associations with local mosques.

Media makes it look like all muslims inside are radicals as hawker says about 49% of muslims agree with suicide bombing and terrorist groups, well my friend you are wrong very wrong.
The continued expansion of the Caliphate and the acts of war against non-muslims in nations Muslims migrate to stands as evidence to the contrary.

These people aren't wanted in mosques, they are afraid to come to mosques because they know they will get shunned, if they want to they can go to saudi or syria etc...


" Contradicting recent claims they had “minimal interactions” with the 24-year-old jihadist, Facebook postings show mosque leaders once held a well-attended graduation celebration for him.

Friends say Abdulazeez regularly prayed at the Islamic Society in the months leading up to his attack on two US military sites.

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After 9/11, the Pentagon even invited the Dar al-Hijrah cleric, who ministered to the very hijackers who torpedoed the military headquarters, to an interfaith luncheon. That same cleric, Anwar al-Awlaki, would go on to head al Qaeda’s operations in Yemen before a drone-fired missile finally caught up to him.

Muslim Brotherhood archives uncovered last decade in an FBI raid of a terrorist suspect’s basement in a Washington suburb list NAIT as one of the movement’s key fronts in the US. They also describe its Islamic centers as “bases” from which to train and deploy its “battalions” in jihad. "




" France isn’t messing around. They’ve arrested more than 230 muslims and collected more than 324 weapons. Many others are under travel bans and house arrest. They have shut down three mosques and have raided more than 2,300 homes.

As France’s Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve recently noted:

Cazeneuve said the number of weapons apprehended so far is staggering.

He said: “In 15 days we have seized one-third of the quantity of war-grade weapons that are normally seized in a year.” "




" At least 10 out of the 50 foreign fighters to travel to Syria from Baden-Württemberg frequented the mosque. Three of them have died fighting in Syria.

The association has now been banned and its property confiscated by authorities. Police took computers, hard drives, smartphones and other materials from the mosque, although it was unclear whether any arrests resulted from the raid. "


Seems like a good way to find terrorists is to bust a mosque.
 

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Not true.

The media portrayed the increase in rape as being Islam-centred but in actuality, Muslims have made up only a small proportion. It's a cultural problem, not a religious one.
It's actually the complete opposite.

In reality, the media tries to avoid giving out information on the roots of criminals linking back to arab/north african roots.

Here is one of the many examples of media cover-ups. [video=youtube;bMO4BwVBvQE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=bMO4BwVBvQE[/video]

As for this being a cultural problem. How can we define that when culture and religion are so systematically fused that it's hard to keep them apart. It's simply damage control and a sorry attempt at that.


Britain:
-In 2013 Muslims made up 13.1% of the prison population but just 4% of the general population meaning that they are 3.3 times more likely to be incarcerated than a member of the general population.

Sweden:
-Africa and Southern and Western Asian were more likely to be charged of a crime than individuals born to two Swedish parents by a factor of 4.5 and 3.5 respectively."

-Findings from a previous study published by the Swedish government in 1996 determined that between 1985 and 1989 individuals born in Iraq, North Africa (Algeria, Libya, Morocco and Tunisia), and Africa (excluding Uganda and the North African countries) were convicted of rape at rates 20, 23, and 17 greater than individuals born in Sweden respectively."

Germany:
521 Moroccans, 260 Algerians, and 57 Tunisians have registered in Cologne as immigrants between October 2014 and November 2015.[27] Internal police figures show that 40% of these Moroccans, Algerians, and Tunisians have been arrested for crimes.[27]

Denmark:
-individuals whose ethnic background is from Morocco, Somalia, Lebanon, Pakistan and Iraq are still overrepresented as convicted criminals by a factor of 1.5 to 2.5


Is 13% muslims in Britain prisons a small number? Rape crimes would multiply by the factor of 20 and violent crimes by the factor of 2-4 if we would have muslims in our countries the same amount we have natives.
Only American news hosts spout anti-Islamic propaganda. European media works in favor of Islam, also for the interests of the elite. It's part of the silent Trojan horse tactic that will lay waste to Europe's living standards.

And if you're of a moderate Muslim community, why not make it your mission to contact the more aggressive Muslim communities and confront them. I've never heard of that occuring. And don't get me started on equal rights between the sexes.

I see many members here rejoicing as if OP dropped the mic on it. Members that each have been individually corrected on the topic of Islamic mass-immigration and retort to all sorts of ..rather sad tactics to avoid having to come to terms with their lacking arguments.

One very important thing you need to remember is that I do not associate radicals with terrorism. I associate radicals with common folk tat uphold retarded, outdated ideologies and would get hostile when questioned, for one.
 
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Lmao no one is saying majority all terrorist but according to studies 20-40% of European muslims approve suicide bombings. No one was talking about terrorist. And lmao at you all "knowing" when its your biased subjectve opinion

Also only 51% of all muslims worldwide disapprove of al-Qaeda.

This is video.is good news yes but seeing 5 muslims in a video does not tell us about anything about the rest of 1,6 billion
 

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Radical Islamists are the one's in power, influence politics, kings, generals and the one's whose voice reaches out. The normie Muslims are sheeps who will follow them or are forced to do so. They may be in few numbers but they are organized. Most population in Islamic countries are brainwashed by them.
I have never seen any Muslim group protesting against riots done by Muslim radical groups. Most probably they will get killed or they will loose members. I have never seen any Muslim leader denounce their history of their genocidal kings or deeds.

The media does not paint Muslims as radicals, it does the opposite. They suppress such news which puts Islam in bad light, they are even afraid to use the word Muslims. To be politically correct they do not link it with religion. They rather glorify Muslims (clock boy). Only right wing news channels go against that practice because but sadly no one takes them seriously it is their political agenda.
Basically what I am saying there are 2 groups, radicals who kill you, those who want radicals to kill you or do not really care.
 

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Radical Islamists are the one's in power, influence politics, kings, generals and the one's whose voice reaches out. The normie Muslims are sheeps who will follow them or are forced to do so. They may be in few numbers but they are organized. Most population in Islamic countries are brainwashed by them.
I have never seen any Muslim group protesting against riots done by Muslim radical groups. Most probably they will get killed or they will loose members. I have never seen any Muslim leader denounce their history of their genocidal kings or deeds.

The media does not paint Muslims as radicals, it does the opposite. They suppress such news which puts Islam in bad light, they are even afraid to use the word Muslims. To be politically correct they do not link it with religion. They rather glorify Muslims (clock boy). Only right wing news channels go against that practice because but sadly no one takes them seriously it is their political agenda.
Basically what I am saying there are 2 groups, radicals who kill you, those who want radicals to kill you or do not really care.
keep telling yourself that :) and yes we will bomb you right? if we are sheeps why aren't you dead or why aren't we in in war?





Yowyan hawker and aim im tired of arguing, its like you guys enjoy it but you never listen so its okay. Call muslims what you like savages terrorists scumbags whatever man :sdo:
 

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keep telling yourself that :) and yes we will bomb you right? if we are sheeps why aren't you dead or why aren't we in in war?





Yowyan hawker and aim im tired of arguing, its like you guys enjoy it but you never listen so its okay. Call muslims what you like savages terrorists scumbags whatever man :sdo:
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It is more like you will never accept and look through something is wrong with your religion and keep denying.
It is a cold war. States aggressively tries to keep people from not killing each other.
People regularly chimp out and riot and shit. It often happens when someone criticizes Islam or draws Mohamed.
 

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That much is obvious. If Islamic leaders condemn an act then that speaks for Islam as they are religion's officials.

Unless someone is a mind-reader he has no right to claim what someone thinks or 'silently agrees' to that wich has been officially condemned.
 

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well yow kept saying why dont normal muslims stand up blah blah, this is what happens when we see a stupid brainwashed retarded radical muslim.

Media makes it look like all muslims inside are radicals as hawker says about 49% of muslims agree with suicide bombing and terrorist groups, well my friend you are wrong very wrong.
These people aren't wanted in mosques, they are afraid to come to mosques because they know they will get shunned, if they want to they can go to saudi or syria etc...



Firstly you have your numbers wrong. I didn't say 49%. That's the number of muslims worldwide who approve of al-Qaeda.

Secondly I said 20-40 of muslims in Europe think that suicide bombings are justified. This is a cold hard fact. page 54

Thirdly, you can't refute the conclusions of worldwide statistical researches by based on 4-6 people you saw on some random video on youtube. That's a logical fallacy and just plain wrong.



Only western sheep believe everything they hear on the news
Studies, researches and polls are different than media. But often media articles about these issues are based on those studies.

That much is obvious. If Islamic leaders condemn an act then that speaks for Islam as they are religion's officials.

Unless someone is a mind-reader he has no right to claim what someone thinks or 'silently agrees' to that wich has been officially condemned.
Lmao. Did you just really say that? All it is is an attempt to try to ignore and downplay the the actual attidues of hundreds of millions of people. Leaders condemns an act then that's a justifiable reason not to blame the culture?
Basically by your logic 100 million muslims do suicide bombings and when an islam official says it's wrong then it's all fine and dandy and there's no problem with the culture whatsoever. It's truly astoundishing how blatant the self deception of muslims is. Always in denial and finding ways to blame media or exremists.

There's no need for mind reading when the attitudes of many muslims are reflected in polls and researches year after year after year regardless of country.

Thank you for the post. I wish more people understood the difference between the common people of a religion and radicals.
There are approximately 1.6 billion Muslims on the planet; That's 23% of the population. If the majority of them are Islamic radicals then I think we already would have found that out lmao. But nah the west gets attacked by 6 radicals and then all the sudden all the 1.6 billion are evil, baby-killing terrorists.

This game about labeling and discrimination is all for blind, unthinking revenge.
Anyone who says more than 20% of muslims are terrorist are idiots. I'm being generous with that 20% to be honest.
If even 20% of the BILLIONS of Muslims were terrorist. We would be dead.
You're mistaken if you believe the common Muslim thinks about bombing innocent people.. Smh how could you think it's majority based
Just like how the media takes things out of context, these radicals are also doing the same thing
Bro it's less than 0.0003.

20% equals out to 340 Million Muslim radicals and if that was the case we'd all be dead and considering the fact the group with the most radicals is the Taliban which is at most 60,000 men which means other groups such as ISIS and Boko Haram are even less than that.
Radical Islamists are the one's in power, influence politics, kings, generals and the one's whose voice reaches out. The normie Muslims are sheeps who will follow them or are forced to do so. They may be in few numbers but they are organized. Most population in Islamic countries are brainwashed by them.
I have never seen any Muslim group protesting against riots done by Muslim radical groups. Most probably they will get killed or they will loose members. I have never seen any Muslim leader denounce their history of their genocidal kings or deeds.

The media does not paint Muslims as radicals, it does the opposite. They suppress such news which puts Islam in bad light, they are even afraid to use the word Muslims. To be politically correct they do not link it with religion. They rather glorify Muslims (clock boy). Only right wing news channels go against that practice because but sadly no one takes them seriously it is their political agenda.
Basically what I am saying there are 2 groups, radicals who kill you, those who want radicals to kill you or do not really care.
You guys are seeing it how you want to see it. You guys also have your numbers wrong and you make wrong conclusions about those numbers and what they actually mean. Blaming only radicals or media when for example the human right violations in islamic cultures and it's laws are common, and also commonly accepted in muslim communities.

Fact is that currently over 10 islamic countries have death penalty for apostasy. Homosexualy is illegal in all islamic countries and in atleast 10 countries it is punishable by death. The migrants come from these countries.
The laws of these countries are reflected in the attitudes of their people:

Another fact is that a big bart of muslims approve of those barbaric human rights violations. This again is a fact:
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Those views given from islamic state citizens, do not differ from the ones living in for example Britain, since according to ICM survey: 40% of it's muslims want sharia law in their country:



Yet another fact is that from time and time again, REGARDLESS of the country, polls and researches have shown that MANY, not all, not even most, but MANY muslims approve of suicide bombings, killin in the name of religion and radical groups:


ICM Poll: 20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers

NOP Research: 1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified

Pew Research (2013): Only 57% of Muslims worldwide disapprove of al-Qaeda. Only 51% disapprove of the Taliban. 13% support both groups and 1 in 4 refuse to say.

Pew Research (2014): 47% of Bangladeshi Muslims says suicide bombings and violence are justified to "defend Islam". 1 in 4 believed the same in Tanzania and Egypt. 1 in 5 Muslims in the 'moderate' countries of Turkey and Malaysia.

Federation of Student Islamic Societies: About 1 in 5 Muslim students in Britain (18%) would not report a fellow Muslim planning a terror attack.


Pew Research (2007): 26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified.

35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall).

42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall).

22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13% overall).

29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25% overall).



Add all that to the fact that muslims in European countries do relatively more sexual and violent crimes than others. 4-20 times more than a native European. That's big problem right there also. And you dare to blame the media?


I've said this a million times, but you guys just don't want to see the problems, either unconciously or conciously (cognitive dissonanse).
So based on numerous neutral sources, researches and studies the approval of an oppressive, violent and discriminating sharia law, justifying suicide bombings and killing civilians and approving of al-Gaeda all are opinions that 20-40% of the muslim population shares. It's been proven that these people form a big part of muslims regardless of country.
20-40% out of all muslims is 320 to 640 million people. You don't think this is the problem? The silent approval of the problems that extremist bring into light isn't a problem?
 
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That much is obvious. If Islamic leaders condemn an act then that speaks for Islam as they are religion's officials.

Unless someone is a mind-reader he has no right to claim what someone thinks or 'silently agrees' to that wich has been officially condemned.
A very naive assessment - let me show you the wisdom of the founder of that religion. From Bukhari:


Volume 4, Book 52, Number 269:
Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:

The Prophet said, "War is deceit."
The instances where the prophet himself applied his precept of deception are numerous (from the numerous battles he won via some form of deception to the assassinations of his rivals he routinely deceived).

Perhaps more relevant to our thread though is this gem from Bukhari:


Volume 3, Book 49, Number 857:
Narrated Um Kulthum bint Uqba:

That she heard Allah's Apostle saying, "He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar."
 
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Firstly you have your numbers wrong. I didn't say 49%. That's the number of muslims worldwide who approve of al-Qaeda.

Secondly I said 20-40 of muslims in Europe think that suicide bombings are justified. This is a cold hard fact. page 54

Thirdly, you can't refute the conclusions of worldwide statistical researches by based on 4-6 people you saw on some random video on youtube. That's a logical fallacy and just plain wrong.





Studies, researches and polls are different than media. But often media articles about these issues are based on those studies.

















You guys are seeing it how you want to see it. You guys also have your numbers wrong and you make wrong conclusions about those numbers and what they actually mean. Blaming only radicals or media when for example the human right violations in islamic cultures and it's laws are common, and also commonly accepted in muslim communities.

Fact is that currently over 10 islamic countries have death penalty for apostasy. Homosexualy is illegal in all islamic countries and in atleast 10 countries it is punishable by death. The migrants come from these countries.
The laws of these countries are reflected in the attitudes of their people:

Another fact is that a big bart of muslims approve of those barbaric human rights violations. This again is a fact:
You must be registered for see images


Those views given from islamic state citizens, do not differ from the ones living in for example Britain, since according to ICM survey: 40% of it's muslims want sharia law in their country:



Yet another fact is that from time and time again, REGARDLESS of the country, polls and researches have shown that MANY, not all, not even most, but MANY muslims approve of suicide bombings, killin in the name of religion and radical groups:


ICM Poll: 20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers

NOP Research: 1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified

Pew Research (2013): Only 57% of Muslims worldwide disapprove of al-Qaeda. Only 51% disapprove of the Taliban. 13% support both groups and 1 in 4 refuse to say.

Pew Research (2014): 47% of Bangladeshi Muslims says suicide bombings and violence are justified to "defend Islam". 1 in 4 believed the same in Tanzania and Egypt. 1 in 5 Muslims in the 'moderate' countries of Turkey and Malaysia.

Federation of Student Islamic Societies: About 1 in 5 Muslim students in Britain (18%) would not report a fellow Muslim planning a terror attack.


Pew Research (2007): 26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified.

35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall).

42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall).

22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13% overall).

29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25% overall).



Add all that to the fact that muslims in European countries do relatively more sexual and violent crimes than others. 4-20 times more than a native European. That's big problem right there also. And you dare to blame the media?


I've said this a million times, but you guys just don't want to see the problems, either unconciously or conciously (cognitive dissonanse).
So based on numerous neutral sources, researches and studie the approval of a oppressive, violent and discriminating sharia law, justifying suicide bombings and killing civilians and approving of al-Gaeda all are opinions that 20-40% of the muslim population shares. It's been proven that these people form a big part of muslims regardless of country.
20-40% out of all muslims is 320 to 640 million people. You don't think this is the problem? The silent approval of the problems that extremist bring into light isn't a problem?
Please if you wanna say something be as brief as you can or no one will read your points. not many people have that big of an attention span.

OT: only idiots would say otherwise.
 

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So based on numerous neutral sources, researches and studie the approval of a oppressive, violent and discriminating sharia law, justifying suicide bombings and killing civilians and approving of al-Gaeda all are opinions that 20-40% of the muslim population shares. It's been proven that these people form a big part of muslims regardless of country.
20-40% out of all muslims is 320 to 640 million people. You don't think this is the problem? The silent approval of the problems that extremist bring into light isn't a problem?[/B]
I did mention chimp outs in next post. Thats how your country will be in future.
Most of the things like opinion homosexuality are common in many 3rd world countries not exclusive to Muslims, the more backward the more retarded their opinion will be but as time goes on they drop it unless some conquest ideology keeps them in stone age.

In the end of the day no matter how much proof you can throw the Muslim apologists wont see it. They sit in comfy place thinking world is all sunshine and rainbows. They do not have any or feel connection to what is being destroyed. It is easy for them to judge others and call some one idiot, xenophobic or racist and feel righteous. It is amusing that you Europeans were like that saying why cant those savages live together looking at ethnic tensions in other countries and even used it as a diplomatic tool. Now it is on your doorstep.
 
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