[Discussion] Noblesse General Discussion Thread

[Avani]

Takeo's moves got me hyped for a moment but then he failed again... No love for the sniper, damn. He needs step up his game too. Bullets are not effective anymore, not even for a distraction.

I am interested in the outcome of the M-21 fight. Normally he should still lose as he has no experience with this power and is not a pure werewolf. Unless he possesses stronger power because Rai awakened him also? Or his heart belonged to a top tier werewolf? Frankenstein hasn't modified him whatsoever as far as I remember.

By the way, notice how the 5th elder left forgetting Kentas behind? Don't they have any type of communication? It would be useful to tell her that "shit happened, a dude here transformed into one of us or worse" or for her to tell him "just run, the Lord of the nobles is here".

He needs silver bullets. :|

M21 may be able to held of for sometime. Since he took this long to transform and get in fight I hope to see him giving the werewolf a good enough punch or two. Maybe surprise Kentas to ask some questions.

The trio has come far to last this long against someone like Kentas. First time around Rael would have finished them off if Rajak and Frankenstein would not have shown up.That werewolf seemed to be on equal terms with Rajak last time.

I wonder what M stands for in 21. I saw some theories it being some experiment related with Muzaka though that's highly unlikely. I doubt Crombell had any access to Muzaka even by far. Unless someone from Union handed him something to work on. It's still a mystery how Union was the one to dug up the coffin Rai was in.

We are watching fights at two spots which were probably happening same time. The elder duo should be sending him a signal or a message breaking up the fight in a chapter or two. Or may show up in person if they noticed him. Kentas was going to join them but didn't- I think . Will go and check the last chapters again.

 

[The Sach]

Actually I am expecting M-21 to do better in this battle, after his transformed form and all. I have started to think that maybe his power has something to do with the past, I don't think how Rai's one time awakening that too before many chapters, resulted into him getting this much amount of powerup now. I remember Rai saying M-21 had power from the beginning and hence Rai was able to 'awaken' the powers he had.
I don't think Kentas will go and join Karias fight, rather I am expecting Kentas vs 'trio' with either Frankenstein's entry, or Kentas's fallback. Lord of werewolves told them to avoid unnecessary fights remember?

 

[Avani]

Actually I am expecting M-21 to do better in this battle, after his transformed form and all. I have started to think that maybe his power has something to do with the past, I don't think how Rai's one time awakening that too before many chapters, resulted into him getting this much amount of powerup now. I remember Rai saying M-21 had power from the beginning and hence Rai was able to 'awaken' the powers he had.
I don't think Kentas will go and join Karias fight, rather I am expecting Kentas vs 'trio' with either Frankenstein's entry, or Kentas's fallback. Lord of werewolves told them to avoid unnecessary fights remember?

Rai awakened it and showed him the power he had at his disposal so I say Rai made it possible for him. U_U

M21 could transform his hands but only that. He probably wouldn't have been able to change to this degree without Rai's help in this time frame. Frankenstein noted that M21's abilities had improved at the fastest rate among the three. Before Rai helped him it was not the case or he would not have been mistaken as a failure.

Of course they have to have that capacity within them already to awaken it. Same is the case of Frankenstein. Rai had awakened him but he still he is not able to control the dark spear that well. Though his control has been improving.

And because he is Rai. he is just awesome like that.

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Who said he would join fight against Karais? That one is already over.

 

[Frankenstein]

He needs silver bullets. :|

M21 may be able to held of for sometime. Since he took this long to transform and get in fight I hope to see him giving the werewolf a good enough punch or two. Maybe surprise Kentas to ask some questions.

The trio has come far to last this long against someone like Kentas. First time around Rael would have finished them off if Rajak and Frankenstein would not have shown up.That werewolf seemed to be on equal terms with Rajak last time.

I wonder what M stands for in 21. I saw some theories it being some experiment related with Muzaka though that's highly unlikely. I doubt Crombell had any access to Muzaka even by far. Unless someone from Union handed him something to work on. It's still a mystery how Union was the one to dug up the coffin Rai was in.

We are watching fights at two spots which were probably happening same time. The elder duo should be sending him a signal or a message breaking up the fight in a chapter or two. Or may show up in person if they noticed him. Kentas was going to join them but didn't- I think . Will go and check the last chapters again.

The silver bullets are the only anti-vampire weapon that hasn't been featured in Noblesse yet

Well the thing about M-21's "M" although tempting can't be true. Simply because there was also M-24, who had no werewolf traits whatsoever. Instead he had noble traits.

The coffin is the biggest mystery. Basically it doesn't even make sense to be found the way it was found. I mean, not even the previous troll-lord would do such a strange move. Find random coffin at the bottom of the sea, not open it, send fodder agents to retrieve it. No sense at all.

As for Kentas, he said he will quickly deal with the trio to join the others. He is still doing that, failing kinda

 

[Avani]

The silver bullets are the only anti-vampire weapon that hasn't been featured in Noblesse yet

Well the thing about M-21's "M" although tempting can't be true. Simply because there was also M-24, who had no werewolf traits whatsoever. Instead he had noble traits.

The coffin is the biggest mystery. Basically it doesn't even make sense to be found the way it was found. I mean, not even the previous troll-lord would do such a strange move. Find random coffin at the bottom of the sea, not open it, send fodder agents to retrieve it. No sense at all.

As for Kentas, he said he will quickly deal with the trio to join the others. He is still doing that, failing kinda

"A bullet cast from silver is often the only weapon that is effective against a werewolf. "

Lol Yeah some use that for vampires too but a stake though heart can also fix them. Anyway when I heard about if first time around it was in context with a werewolf so it reminds me of them first. Vampire and werewolf both are alien folktales for us and I learned it from Movies/TV shows etc only. No idea if there is more to it.

In his first fight in that form M21 was pierced in the middle and yet was unaffected. Kentas is real werewolf so him not getting much damage easily is understandable. I just wonder if they will introduce a silver bullet.

I agree about mystery of M. It really doesn't seem to fit in despite many people wishing for it to be so.

About Coffin - Crombell sent low level agents as he was trying to hide it under plain view. Not giving it much importance meant not involving too many curious eyes. He was probably in the charge of the excavations though it was not mentioned. He certainly had a presence on the spot to look out for anything extraordinary. He found a simple diary last time and built his reputation of a genius on it and upgraded himself too.

Why the excavation were done in the first place? Maybe it was just a coincidence and they were digging to make some underground base or what not or maybe someone in Union was secretly searching for Rai. He probably didn't know what to look for or didn't explain it to minions properly in an attempt to not attract much attention of other elders to it. And Crombell thus guessed it was important somehow thus he tried to keep it for himself, in turn using the same trick.

At any rate Crombell was just being cautious and trying to move it to someplace where he could study it himself at leisure and without having to share info if it contained anything extraordinary. As for why anyone didn't open it- maybe they couldn't do so easily. Also marine archaeologists ( I would guess it were some trained people doing the excavation for whatever reasons) won't open it without proper caution for fear of damaging whatever goods or evidences they find in the deep sea. Once Crombell would be upon it he would simply order them to not to under any excuse or without it.

We will see if authors would add an explanation or leave it fan imagination to fill the gap in.

 

[Frankenstein]

"A bullet cast from silver is often the only weapon that is effective against a werewolf. "

Lol Yeah some use that for vampires too but a stake though heart can also fix them. Anyway when I heard about if first time around it was in context with a werewolf so it reminds me of them first. Vampire and werewolf both are alien folktales for us and I learned it from Movies/TV shows etc only. No idea if there is more to it.

In his first fight in that form M21 was pierced in the middle and yet was unaffected. Kentas is real werewolf so him not getting much damage easily is understandable. I just wonder if they will introduce a silver bullet.

I agree about mystery of M. It really doesn't seem to fit in despite many people wishing for it to be so.

About Coffin - Crombell sent low level agents as he was trying to hide it under plain view. Not giving it much importance meant not involving too many curious eyes. He was probably in the charge of the excavations though it was not mentioned. He certainly had a presence on the spot to look out for anything extraordinary. He found a simple diary last time and built his reputation of a genius on it and upgraded himself too.

Why the excavation were done in the first place? Maybe it was just a coincidence and they were digging to make some underground base or what not or maybe someone in Union was secretly searching for Rai. He probably didn't know what to look for or didn't explain it to minions properly in an attempt to not attract much attention of other elders to it. And Crombell thus guessed it was important somehow thus he tried to keep it for himself, in turn using the same trick.

At any rate Crombell was just being cautious and trying to move it to someplace where he could study it himself at leisure and without having to share info if it contained anything extraordinary. As for why anyone didn't open it- maybe they couldn't do so easily. Also marine archaeologists ( I would guess it were some trained people doing the excavation for whatever reasons) won't open it without proper caution for fear of damaging whatever goods or evidences they find in the deep sea. Once Crombell would be upon it he would simply order them to not to under any excuse or without it.

We will see if authors would add an explanation or leave it fan imagination to fill the gap in.

I think werewolves are indeed just a folktale but vampires were first featured in Brahm Stoker's book ( very good book actually even literature-wise ) "Dracula". In that book the anti-vamipre weapons (stake, silver and holy water or something like a cross) are introduced.

Hmm, this explanation of the coffin mystery makes sense at least to some level. Crombell might had just gotten unlucky after all that Rai woke up when he did. I wonder if Crombell himself has made the association between the coffin and the Noblesse (blonde Noblesse in his mind lol). I don't remember anything like that. Which is strange (stupid?) if it is true.

I think the excavation was random. And the people in charge wouldn't open the coffin you are right. Maybe one does not simply open it, or break it.

They better explain this. Even Kishimoto is explaining stuff lately.

 

[Avani]

I think werewolves are indeed just a folktale but vampires were first featured in Brahm Stoker's book ( very good book actually even literature-wise ) "Dracula". In that book the anti-vamipre weapons (stake, silver and holy water or something like a cross) are introduced.

Hmm, this explanation of the coffin mystery makes sense at least to some level. Crombell might had just gotten unlucky after all that Rai woke up when he did. I wonder if Crombell himself has made the association between the coffin and the Noblesse (blonde Noblesse in his mind lol). I don't remember anything like that. Which is strange (stupid?) if it is true.

I think the excavation was random. And the people in charge wouldn't open the coffin you are right. Maybe one does not simply open it, or break it.

They better explain this. Even Kishimoto is explaining stuff lately.

I have read about the book Dracula though not the book itself. And that the author picked some infamous count of his time and it was his cruelty which inspired it or something.. Don't remember the details much. I didn't know/remember that he was the first one to introduce the concept. Thanks for details.

I wonder if disturbing the coffin was one of the reasons Rai woke up when he did and that if left alone he might have rested a few hundred years more. He might have sensed a crowd and all that and when he felt no one was around he came out. Crombell didn't know anything about a noblesse. Though he might have been looking for some nice DNA sample from a noble lord just in case. Maybe thought he would find a soul weapon inside! ( lol Just a fun idea)

Yea they don't open things without proper caution. Not even pick up without making casts at times and what not.. I have read several times that improper handling ruins such stuff. Our own marine scientists made some similar mistakes while excavating Krishna's city in the Gulf of Cambay.

And yep.

 

[Frankenstein]

I have read about the book Dracula though not the book itself. And that the author picked some infamous count of his time and it was his cruelty which inspired it or something.. Don't remember the details much. I didn't know/remember that he was the first one to introduce the concept. Thanks for details.

I wonder if disturbing the coffin was one of the reasons Rai woke up when he did and that if left alone he might have rested a few hundred years more. He might have sensed a crowd and all that and when he felt no one was around he came out. Crombell didn't know anything about a noblesse. Though he might have been looking for some nice DNA sample from a noble lord just in case. Maybe thought he would find a soul weapon inside! ( lol Just a fun idea)

Yea they don't open things without proper caution. Not even pick up without making casts at times and what not.. I have read several times that improper handling ruins such stuff. Our own marine scientists made some similar mistakes while excavating Krishna's city in the Gulf of Cambay.

And yep.

Yeap, Vlad "The Impaler" Dracula was a real person. Romanian count, impaled hundreds of Turks after his army defeated them in battle. Even the vampires are kinda "real". There are people with a strange condition in some place. Pale skin and too hairy and stuff like that.

Rai was very very lucky to wake up when and where he did. Actually too lucky. Suspiciously lucky.

 

[Avani]

Yeap, Vlad "The Impaler" Dracula was a real person. Romanian count, impaled hundreds of Turks after his army defeated them in battle. Even the vampires are kinda "real". There are people with a strange condition in some place. Pale skin and too hairy and stuff like that.

Rai was very very lucky to wake up when and where he did. Actually too lucky. Suspiciously lucky.

That was new! Strange indeed! Never heard of it before.

I was checking out the chapters 89 and 90 from volume one when M21 transformed and back to Franky's home and then read a few more chapters. Rai 's new found ease and accepting the crowd around him seems such a difference from the times he used to stand alone in front of window all day long. Though still he is much the same more or less. I wonder that the realization that he may finally die made him want to live differently before the ultimate reality. When he was introduced in the class he said all the words in his name were first and last name. That seems to indicate that he was the only one to hold that post... I want to know the connection between him and Lord and other nobles. There is so much unexplained.. I wonder if I'm expecting too much...

I hope Ability is continued when authors have recovered enough. T_T it may help in me not raising too many question in this one. >_<

 

[Schɛrzσ]

First the lord herself, now her right-hand man...
They really must be up to something, deciding to arrive in Korea like that.
Let's see how things will unfold from now...
Also, M-21 was quite cool in this chapter, sadly, his new form ran off too fast.

 

[Avani]

That Tao...He revelealed an info which was probably not all that common by screaming the name of Regis... Poor Gejutel.

 

[Osagyefo]

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That was pretty great.

 

[Frankenstein]

Props to the author for not making M-21 win the battle as that wouldn't make any sense. Nice moves M-21 though, nice moves.

I didn't not expect Gejutel to make an appearance but I guess I should, since he is almost always besides Raskreia. I like his character very much so I am glad he enters the scene again.

 

[Avani]

Props to the author for not making M-21 win the battle as that wouldn't make any sense. Nice moves M-21 though, nice moves.

I didn't not expect Gejutel to make an appearance but I guess I should, since he is almost always besides Raskreia. I like his character very much so I am glad he enters the scene again.

Yea but I was surprised that Kentas spotted him as one of the pardoned traitors. What was that about?... Probably he was just mistaken about the whole situation still it was awkward for a second.

 

[Frankenstein]

Yea but I was surprised that Kentas spotted him as one of the pardoned traitors. What was that about?... Probably he was just mistaken about the whole situation still it was awkward for a second.

Well Gejutel was considered a traitor at some point, when he supported Rai and Raskreia almost executed him. Then he was pardoned and ordered to help the other clan leaders.

The thing is, Kentas shouldn't know that. Only the nobles and Rai and Co. knows that.

 

[TheLastSamurai]

Well Gejutel was considered a traitor at some point, when he supported Rai and Raskreia almost executed him. Then he was pardoned and ordered to help the other clan leaders.

The thing is, Kentas shouldn't know that. Only the nobles and Rai and Co. knows that.

Meaning, there's a traitor in their middle.

 

[The Sach]

It's spiderman, no it's Superman, nup It is Gejutel, and we have one more Nobel.
I really liked that M21 didn't win the fight, long way to go for M21. His awakened form was quiet OP though, his speed increased substantially and his moves were good too.I think M21 has a lot of potential, Frankenstein need to work on his awakened form or something.

Well Gejutel was considered a traitor at some point, when he supported Rai and Raskreia almost executed him. Then he was pardoned and ordered to help the other clan leaders.

The thing is, Kentas shouldn't know that. Only the nobles and Rai and Co. knows that.

That's the question whose answer I want to know. It all happened in Lukedonia, and I don't think Werewolves have some source of information, and I don't think Union knew about it either. So I want Kentas to explain his statement a bit more.u.u

 

[Frankenstein]

Well, scratch that. The egscans translation clarifies that Kentas was talking about the previous lord.

 

[Avani]

Well, scratch that. The egscans translation clarifies that Kentas was talking about the previous lord.

Conspiracy theory due to wrong translation...I almost thought another bungle up similar to introducing tea to Rai in the starting.

 

[darkleonides]

When Muzaka said that he was mad about losing his friend,maybe M-21s heart is muzaka's frien's heart. Or it could be muzaka's heart somehow becaude when M-21 transforms he looks similar to muzaka