No Kurama = No Enma = No Akamaru

[Third Sage]

Well Kiba can make shadow clones, Akamaru is just here for the sake of clan tradition now...

For the sake of clan tradition? As far as I know, Inuzuka's dogs are their best friends and life companions, as well as the vital part of their fighting style.

 

[Troyg39]

Oh my.. Another dumb post. Obito's MS is his and his alone, he awakened the MS through mental trauma, but I guess you missed that part of the manga. The wall of Sharingan eyes are spares, all from the Uchiha clan massacre. Are you honestly trying to say Kakashi's eye aren't from Obito? Kakashi's borrowed Sharingan didn't come from Obito? This is the logic you have put forth.


His Rinnegan is borrowed, not his Sharingan. This is clear as day, considering both Kakashi and Obito have the same pattern and power with the MS.

If his sharingan isn't borrowed, he should've never had two when he fought Konan since he lost his right eye as a CHILD. MS Obito was using a borrowed sharingan eye you idiot

 

[AGoodBoy]

Of course Enma and akamaru aren't their powers. Wtf? Obviously we know that. They're called support. Like what kurama is to naruto; not that naruto wankers can accept that kurama is a supporting being to naruto and not naruto's power. Naruto fanboys always exaggerating his abilities and trying to weasel their way out of loop holes.

This is yet another failed thread attempting to justify a completely seperate being being naruto's power. Your power is what you can produce on your own. Gamabunta isn't jiraiya/naruto/minato's power either; they're all support, but jiraiya using Co-Op attacks with bunta, still doesn't change anything, though.

Let me ask you this. If you're a soldier, in war, and you have a squad mate with you having your back and helping you out. Is your squad mate now your own power/ability/skill? Or is he supporting/aiding you? :|

EDIT: I already spotted something about eyes, and I'm assuming it's one of the naruto fanboys biggest crutch "sharingan isn't blah blah blah". This is so idiotic it's unbeliveable what lengths you people go through to feel happy about a fictional character. Of course sharingan is an uchiha's own power, It's canonically stated that powerful chakra sprout in their own brain and produce the new eyes. The eyes don't breath, speak or even think for that matter, therefore it's their own power. It's not like the non-sentient being like kusangi, tosuka, nunchaka, shuriken, etc which are ninja tools.

Learn the difference between power, tools and support. Power comes from within. Tools are non-living things you use with your arsenal to increase your variety. Support is any other supporting being which aids you in combat.

 

[Blunt]

If his sharingan isn't borrowed, he should've never had two when he fought Konan since he lost his right eye as a CHILD. He has been borrowing sharingans. End of story

Did you see anywhere in our posts talking about his right eyed Sharingan? No, we have been talking about MS and Rinnegan. End of story.

I never once said anything about his right eye when the Sharingan was in it, the whole debate has been between MS and Rinnegan.

 

[Troyg39]

Did you see anywhere in our posts talking about his right eyed Sharingan? No, we have been talking about MS and Rinnegan. End of story.

I never once said anything about his right eye and the Sharingan in it, the whole debate has been between MS and Rinnegan.

The whole debate was about you trying to correct me for saying "MS Obito's eyes are borrowed". Were you not trying to be a smart ass, you wouldn't have gotten into a discussion with the other member.

The fact is that my statement of MS Obito having borrowed eyes is correct. He's had a borrowed sharingan and a borrowed Rinnegan before. Next time don't try to correct someone unless you know what you are talking about

 

[Blunt]

The fact is that my statement of MS Obito having borrowed eyes is correct. He's had a borrowed sharingan and a borrowed Rinnegan before. Next time don't try to correct someone unless you know what you are talking about

I wasn't acting like a smartass, I was seriously questioning what your thought was on the matter. I will literally quote what you said.

MS Obito doesn't count because his eyes are borrowed

- In this statement it clearly says eyes. Going by "EYES" and not EYE, leads me to believe you actually thought both of his eyes were borrowed, when only one was. The only eye that was borrowed was the one his his right eye socket. Anything else to say?

 

[-Spoiler-]

Of course Enma and akamaru aren't their powers. Wtf? Obviously we know that. They're called support. Like what kurama is to naruto; not that naruto wankers can accept that kurama is a supporting being to naruto and not naruto's power. Naruto fanboys always exaggerating his abilities and trying to weasel their way out of loop holes.

This is yet another failed thread attempting to justify a completely seperate being being naruto's power. Your power is what you can produce on your own. Gamabunta isn't jiraiya/naruto/minato's power either; they're all support, but jiraiya using Co-Op attacks with bunta, still doesn't change anything, though.

Let me ask you this. If you're a soldier, in war, and you have a squad mate with you having your back and helping you out. Is your squad mate now your own power/ability/skill? Or is he supporting/aiding you? :|

EDIT: I already spotted something about eyes, and I'm assuming it's one of the naruto fanboys biggest crutch "sharingan isn't blah blah blah". This is so idiotic it's unbeliveable what lengths you people go through to feel happy about a fictional character. Of course sharingan is an uchiha's own power, It's canonically stated that powerful chakra sprout in their own brain and produce the new eyes. The eyes don't breath, speak or even think for that matter, therefore it's their own power. It's not like the non-sentient being like kusangi, tosuka, nunchaka, shuriken, etc which are ninja tools.

Learn the difference between power, tools and support. Power comes from within. Tools are non-living things you use with your arsenal to increase your variety. Support is any other supporting being which aids you in combat.

actually no kurama and summons aren't the same thing, and KCM naruto is naruto's power that was taken from kurama and even without kurama naruto can still access it since its stored away from him similar to how tsunade access chakra from the yin seal.

 

[Troyg39]

I wasn't acting like a smartass, I was seriously question what your thought was on the matter. I will literally quote what you said.

- In this statement it clearly says eyes. Going by "EYES" and not EYE, leads me to believe you actually thought both of his eyes were borrowed, when only one was. The only eye the was borrowed was the one his his right eye socket. Anything else to say?

I used the plural term "Eyes" because he has literally used more than one borrowed eye. If this is something that you knew, you wouldn't have asked "what the hell are you talking about?"

So either you didn't know he's had more than one borrowed eye and decided to come at me as if I said something incorrect or...

You knew Obito had borrowed eyes and decided to be a smart ass about it for whatever reason, causing you to get into a debate with another member.

If it's neither and you honestly just wanted to know my thought on the matter, just ask for my thought on the matter. When you say "what the hell are you talking about" and then get into an argument about another member and tell them what I should've said before I even have a chance to give you my actual thought on the subject, you defeat the purpose entirely

 

[Blunt]

I used the plural term "Eyes" because he has literally used more than one borrowed eye. If this is something that you knew, you wouldn't have asked "what the hell are you talking about?"

So either you didn't know he's had more than one borrowed eye and decided to come at me as if I said something incorrect or...

You knew Obito had borrowed eyes and decided to be a smart ass about it for whatever reason, causing you to get into a debate with another member

You used the plural term eyes, which can mean you thought MS was borrowed as well. Your argument is absolutely ridiculous. Not to mention the fact that Obito as a young child only had one eye after the boulder incident, which was his MS, he later gained the other eye.

So your statement could have meant two things. I questioned it and you lacked the ability to answer it without getting all hurt about it.

 

[Troyg39]

You used the plural term eyes, which can mean you thought MS was borrowed as well. Your argument is absolutely ridiculous. Not to mention the fact that Obito as a young child only had one eye after the boulder incident, which was his MS, he later gained the other eye.

The bold means he was using a borrowed eye. That eye and the Rinnegan he took means he's had borrowed EYES. My statement was MS Obito's eyes were borrowed. Which in my case meant the two separate eyes that he was using at different points that did not originate from him. During both of those points of borrowing those eyes, he also had access to MS ability, which is why I categorized both incidents under "MS Obito".

Did I say his MS power was borrowed? No. So your first sentence is false because it doesn't correlate with what I said. My comment was specifically about his eyes, and clearly you didn't understand what I meant, so rather than ask me, you decide to be a smartass about it and even got into an argument with another member and tell them what I should've said when you in fact didn't know what I meant and therefore had no idea what you were talking about in regards to my statement.

If you want to know what someone means when they say something just ask them. Don't be like "what the hell are you talking about" and then run your mouth to someone else about how their statement was incorrect when the real problem is your lack of understanding. If I were hurt about it, I wouldn't have +repped you fool

 

[Blunt]

The bold means he was using a borrowed eye. That eye and the Rinnegan he took means he's had borrowed EYES. My statement was MS Obito's eyes were borrowed. Which in my case meant the two separate eyes that he was using at different points that did not originate from him.

Did I say his MS power was borrowed? No. So your first sentence is false because it doesn't correlate with what I said. My comment was specifically about his eyes, and clearly you didn't understand what I meant, so rather than ask me, you decide to be a smartass about it and even got into an argument with another member and tell them what I shoud've said when you in fact didn't know what I meant and therefore had no idea what you were talking about in regards to my statement.

Bold - So how exactly was I suppose to know what you mean't when you said "MS" Obito's eyes are borrowed. That is why I questioned it. "Which in my case meant" is the keywords in the bold. From my perspective, you could have believed his Mangekyo Sharingan was borrowed as well, going by your statement.

Many people on Narutobase have said MS is a borrowed power, when it isn't, that is also why I questioned it. I'm done here.

 

[Troyg39]

Bold - So how exactly was I suppose to know what you mean't when you said "MS" Obito's eyes are borrowed. That is why I questioned it. "Which in my case meant" is the keywords in the bold. From my perspective, you could have believed his MS was borrowed as well, going by your statement. I'm done here.

Simple. By ASKING and waiting for my response. Not by assuming I had no clue what I was talking about. You say it could've meant two different things but then treated it automatically as if you knew my meaning behind it was the incorrect one. Bottom line if you don't know, don't talk about it. You just basically admitted you had no idea what you were talking about. That's stupid