Nine tails chakra mode for Naruto is same as Itachi's eyes for Sasuke [Please read]

[MinatoTheYellowFlash]

bm = ems

bsm -> ems.

Proof? My proof is when they were fighting side by side...getting owned side by side.

That's your opinion...this is fact:

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[UchihaNagashi]

nice bait my friend, but I am too calm to fall in this trap.

Bolded part, pff Curse mark at top of the Sasuke with Sharingan make him overpowerd.

CM Sharingan Sasuke > Pre SM Naruto

Underlined part, please do not include in bigger group with label of Naruto fanboys as clearly I am not.

Red colored part, Maybe true but again you assume things. Stop comparing to other peoples, in fact I was one of the members who stated completely otherwise like "Final Sussano unstabilized form EMS Sasuke= Half Kurama BM Naruto", yes I was bashed by these comments even by Naruto fanbase from time to time. I admit that the moment Naruto got BSM I was certain that BSM Naruto > EMS Sasuke... but again the gap was not that big and

I thought "BSM Naruto= Curse Mark Final Sussano unstabilized form EMS Sasuke"

Conclusion: I won't admit it as it is your pure assumption, with nothing to back up it. Naruto will keep Nine tails chakra mode and combine it with SM, while being behind Sasuke. The gap will be not such big, that my final claim.



Thank you very much

It actually wasn't a bait, but a fact.

How many threads of desperate fanboys have been made by these past two days how KCSM would save his ass somehow? Too many to count.

What I don't see is Sasuke-fans being more denial and ignorant about facts. Few days ago I saw a tvery well presented thread about how Sasuke has a chance of beating Nagato.

Yesterday I saw a troll thread about 'KCSM lifting up Susano'o, throwing it and bombing with mini-Dama's'. From who? Naruto-fans.

Although the thread isn't bad, saying that it's unfair that Kurama got extracted is ludicrous. Sasuke fought his way to victor with his own powers losing some at the same time, while Naruto got his as a gift and when it's taken away - rampage.

If it should be fair, extract Kurama as they are two separate beings. As he has KCM which is 'from someone else by your logic' (no offense) let him have his summons and SM and KCM. Sasuke gets EMS as he deserves, and then it's fair.​

 

[KCMNaruto]

Fanboys still mad Kurama got taken away

Mad ? Not just laughing at haters who goona cry soon

Kurama or not ? KCM + SM Naruto will be still powerfull force and could put up great batttle against Sasuke, but lost of course.

Naruto will be weaker but the gap will be not that big as Sasuke's fanboys/wankers wish

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Naruto already has chakra from the 2 through 7 tails and I think he has some of the 8 tails chakra.

That favor Kurama asked from Shukaku was probably "Give Naruto some of your chakra" or whatever and might cause a new transformation for Naruto, having all the bijuus chakra n' all.

 

[MinatoTheYellowFlash]

nice bait my friend, but I am too calm to fall in this trap.

Bolded part, pff Curse mark at top of the Sasuke with Sharingan make him overpowerd.

CM Sharingan Sasuke > Pre SM Naruto

Underlined part, please do not include in bigger group with label of Naruto fanboys as clearly I am not.

Red colored part, Maybe true but again you assume things. Stop comparing to other peoples, in fact I was one of the members who stated completely otherwise like "Final Sussano unstabilized form EMS Sasuke= Half Kurama BM Naruto", yes I was bashed by these comments even by Naruto fanbase from time to time. I admit that the moment Naruto got BSM I was certain that BSM Naruto > EMS Sasuke... but again the gap was not that big and

I thought "BSM Naruto= Curse Mark Final Sussano unstabilized form EMS Sasuke"

Conclusion: I won't admit it as it is your pure assumption, with nothing to back up it. Naruto will keep Nine tails chakra mode and combine it with SM, while being behind Sasuke. The gap will be not such big, that my final claim.



Thank you very much



so much bullshit.

Imo ​

Full Kurama BM Naruto would stomp at EMS Sasuke unless he has PS at Madara's level to match him.

Let's me enlighten you how it really works:

Full Kurama BSM Naruto>= EMS Sasuke with Full size PS coated in Enton > Full Kurama BM Naruto= EMS Sasuke with full size PS > Half Kurama BSM Naruto = EMS Sasuke with half size PS coated in Enton > Half Kurama BM Naruto = EMS Sasuke with half size PS > KCM + SM Naruto+ MA + PA = EMS Sasuke with final Sussano > KCM + SM Naruto > MS Sasuke = SM Naruto

deal with it




Obviously he can... this is fan fiction universe where Kishi can change and set new rules when he want or need to. Kyuubi chakra will recharge itself somehow and could be used again and again. The only drawback will time for Kyuubi chakra to recharge... that the moment when Naruto won't have access to it.

Exactly...my proof is them getting owned side by side in manga...NOT IN MY HEAD AS MY OPINION.
The manga is bs right? Your opinion is better for you than the manga right?
Yeah...manga > you...deal with it or post everything as your opinion. ​

 

[KCMNaruto]

It actually wasn't a bait, but a fact.

How many threads of desperate fanboys have been made by these past two days how KCSM would save his ass somehow? Too many to count.

What I don't see is Sasuke-fans being more denial and ignorant about facts. Few days ago I saw a tvery well presented thread about how Sasuke has a chance of beating Nagato.

Yesterday I saw a troll thread about 'KCSM lifting up Susano'o, throwing it and bombing with mini-Dama's'. From who? Naruto-fans.

Although the thread isn't bad, saying that it's unfair that Kurama got extracted is ludicrous. Sasuke fought his way to victor with his own powers losing some at the same time, while Naruto got his as a gift and when it's taken away - rampage.

If it should be fair, extract Kurama as they are two separate beings. As he has KCM which is 'from someone else by your logic' (no offense) let him have his summons and SM and KCM. Sasuke gets EMS as he deserves, and then it's fair.​

I get your point and respect your opinion. Good points brought by you here also.

I respect both characters just hate fanboys.

I agree with everything you wrote and Bolded part especially

It is possible that Naruto will get Kushina's Uzumaki chakra chains and FTG at top of it... but we will see.

IMO KCM + SM + MA + PA Naruto with FTG and Uzumaki's chakra chains = EMS Sasuke with PS >= KCM + SM + MA + PA Naruto > KCM + SM Naruto

Conclusion: Naruto should keep KCM while Sasuke should keep Itachi's eyes.

Exactly...my proof is them getting owned side by side in manga...NOT IN MY HEAD AS MY OPINION.
The manga is bs right? Your opinion is better for you than the manga right?
Yeah...manga > you...deal with it or post everything as your opinion. ​

Pretending to be smart while trying to prove your right, nice.

Yes they got owned side by side, but EMS Sasuke had great master over EMS while BSM Naruto just acquired BSM and has far way to reach full potential of this mode.

The manga is not bullshit... so stop putting the words in my mouth... especially the words not wrotte by me.

There is a lot of view point which should be considered while looking at manga fact. However having narrow mind and fanboysim or pure hate towards another character, does not help you, does it ? cool

 

[Awkward Linguist]

Yes they both mixed their DNA with a compatible source

Naruto already have Kuruma DNA in him, being born of Kuruma's jink
Sasuke is Itachi brother, they are possibly the same blood type and everything, they share the same DNA they are compTable .

I'm surprised you haven't mentioned Sakura/Tsunade yet.

 

[MinatoTheYellowFlash]

I get your point and respect your opinion. Good points brought by you here also.

I respect both characters just hate fanboys.

I agree with everything you wrote and Bolded part especially

It is possible that Naruto will get Kushina's Uzumaki chakra chains and FTG at top of it... ​

but we will see.

IMO KCM + SM + MA + PA

Naruto with FTG and Uzumaki's chakra chains ​

= EMS Sasuke with PS >= KCM + SM + MA + PA Naruto > KCM + SM Naruto

Conclusion: Naruto should keep KCM while Sasuke should keep Itachi's eyes.

Naruto won't and can't use FTG...
Don't bring Minato in this in anyway...Kushina either. Its not even a logical possibility ​

 

[KCMNaruto]

Naruto won't and can't use FTG...
Don't bring Minato in this in anyway...Kushina either. Its not even a logical possibility ​

Your assumption once again... fine. ""I can feel butthurt" as Yoda could say:

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Yes it is unlikely and could be considered crazy idea's as there is no time for that, but Kishi is creator and author of this manga, not you so everything is possible. It is just up to him to make it or no happen.

 

[Kishi Uzumaki]

Obviously he can... this is fan fiction universe where Kishi can change and set new rules when he want or need to. Kyuubi chakra will recharge itself somehow and could be used again and again. The only drawback will time for Kyuubi chakra to recharge... that the moment when Naruto won't have access to it.

Kishimoto made madara use susano'o without his eyes so this can happen too make naruto use KCM without kurama .

 

[MinatoTheYellowFlash]

I get your point and respect your opinion. Good points brought by you here also.

I respect both characters just hate fanboys.

I agree with everything you wrote and Bolded part especially

It is possible that Naruto will get Kushina's Uzumaki chakra chains and FTG at top of it... but we will see.

IMO KCM + SM + MA + PA Naruto with FTG and Uzumaki's chakra chains = EMS Sasuke with PS >= KCM + SM + MA + PA Naruto > KCM + SM Naruto

Conclusion: Naruto should keep KCM while Sasuke should keep Itachi's eyes.



Pretending to be smart while trying to prove your right, nice.

Yes they got owned side by side, but EMS Sasuke had great master over EMS while BSM Naruto just acquired BSM and has far way to reach full potential of this mode.

The manga is not bullshit... so stop putting the words in my mouth... especially the words not wrotte by me.

There is a lot of view point which should be considered while looking at manga fact. However having narrow mind and fanboysim or pure hate towards another character, does not help you, does it ? cool

Its called facts and logic...use it...might make you understand what I'm talking about.
Naruto mastered sage mode..false...and he's mastered the fox...stated by the fox himself.

By denying what has happened you are.

I do hate Naruto...but I would never downgrade him over anyone he isn't suppose to be.
I hate his character's mood and happiness.

Not gonna lie to you...I'm straight forward...take it how you want it. ​

 

[iNotorious]

Proof? My proof is when they were fighting side by side...getting owned side by side.

That's your opinion...this is fact:

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EMS + Juugo. Try again.

 

[MinatoTheYellowFlash]

Your assumption once again... fine. ""I can feel butthurt" as Yoda could say:

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Yes it is unlikely and could be considered crazy idea's as there is no time for that, but Kishi is creator and author of this manga, not you so everything is possible. It is just up to him to make it or no happen.

How is it butthurtism?

It's like saying Sasuke will get the fox (if that shet happens I'm done with Naruto :|)

It's not his style...opinon...but a valid one. Also the fact that he had it in a movie I don't think its gonna happen.
Would fit his style if he hair grew down the sides like Minato's and he gets taller. ​

 

[MinatoTheYellowFlash]

EMS + Juugo. Try again.

Senjutsu curse mark was only to break the black stuff...
Also...if I'm correct that's sasuke curse mark pattern...and his powers stated by Orochimaru. Also...sasuke was injected with this curse mark when he was hebi. All valid:

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[sharinganunited]

EMS + Juugo. Try again.

Juugo was only needed to hurt obito otherwise he would just heal again. his COmplete susano is as said equal to that BM of nardo

PS ° BSM . both equal i say. naruto and Sasuke where equal. has the fight has showed non did better or worse

 

[sharinganunited]

^^ True... and that why comparing BM to EMS was not fair comparision...

But I reffering to KCM alone, which is Nine tails chakra WITHOUT MIND ON IT's OWN, JUST POWERFULL CHAKRA

Itachi's eyes are JUST EYES WITH POWERFULL TECHNIQUES WITHOUT MIND

Both power were earned through hard battle. KCM = Itachi's MS eyes

KCM + SM = Itachi's MS + Sasuke's MS

Yes this is fair comparison as proved in my thread



True... Ma and Pa could enhance Sage mode as well..., but remember they are new two minds involved... while KCM is just chakra alone.



^^ True

and KCM + SM + MA + PA Naruto= EMS Sasuke with PS

who is this nigga

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saying pa + ma =EMS PS?

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ma and pa get there ass burned off. Naruto has no power do destroy Lord Sasuke with PS.

Dwi haters gonne hate

 

[KidGamer65]

^^ True

and KCM + SM + MA + PA Naruto= EMS Sasuke with PS

Still deepthroating Naruto huh?

PS stomps any form of Naruto that isn't BM Naruto. Period.

 

[EternalFlame]

I feel its abit unfair comparison.
Itachi's eyes negate MS drawbacks while kurama is whole new entity more powerful then naruto himself.

This. Unfair is an understatement.

Is there anything to prove that Sasuke's EMS actually enhances anything? It takes the strain away, it doesn't actually add anything - that's all Sasuke's experience coming into play. Perfect Susanno is still Susanno and it's obvious Sasuke achieved PS the same way he achieved the other Susanno forms - experience. If MS was immune to blindless, there's no reason to believe he couldn't eventually achieve Perfect Susanno like he achieved the previous forms through practice.

It's the same thing with Enton, the more he uses it, the better he gets at it. EMS doesn't automatically make Jutsu's better, it just takes the strain off and negates MS drawback thus making it EASIER to train them. Sasuke still has to train the Jutsu's otherwise he would of got PS straight away.

It's hardly comparable to Kurama where you get a near-infinite supply of Chakra, another mind to work with you on defeating enemies, top-tier destructive attacks, top-tier speed, a very strong defence...

 

[xxSAGExx]

Saying that it's unfair that Naruto has no BM but Sasuke has EMS in this point is quite ridiculous...

Sasuke was cut off of CM, yet no fanboy of Sasuke was crying about it. Sasuke lost some of his good arsenal, yet Naruto got even more.

After that he got MS. Which was considered as PNJ by Naruto fanboys.

By the time Naruto got BM, Sasuke was bashed because of his incompetence. He was accepted as even only top 20 and no one said a thing. Now he got PS and full arsenal to compete Nagato.

So... I don't get why Sasuke-fans are called the worst when Naruto-fanboys cry whenever Naruto loses powerup or his level is reached or surpassed... Not to mention, it's not unfair Sasuke lost some of his powers throughout the series.

So some people need to admit he may not have KCM to save his ass and SM is not competent to top 10 level guys...​

The way I saw it, Sasuke lost CM only to gain MS then lost MS only to gain EMS. He lost his old power/tool for a new and/or improve one. I never considered it plot, just saw that's how Kishi did things. Both Naruto fanboys and Sasuke fanboys take things to extreme, some of them not all but some.

One example, many Sasuke fanboys try to use VoTE and where Sasuke vs team 7 in beginning of Shiipuden as Sasuke being stronger than Naruto because he beat them. I always disagreed with those examples because Naruto wasn't trying to kill Sasuke while Sasuke had intentions to kill Naruto. Naruto didn't summon Gamabuta nor did he aim to impale Sasuke, he chose to scratch his headband instead. Now, if your claws can scratch metal then you can at least do some damage to your opponent, enough to slow him down until Kakakshi got there but Sasuke had to leave for the story to continue.

As for Sasuke vs Team 7. Naruto was literally stated to be weakened from his fight with Orochimaru. He fell down while they were talking about chasing Sai and Sakura said he haven't recovered. When they were in Orochimaru's hideout Naruto fell down and thought to himself how he was still weakened from before and then he falls down again while running down the opening to where Sasuke was. Now I'm not saying full power Naruto>Sasuke, cause Sasuke was still stronger but Kishi made Naruto weakened and decide not to use Kurama's power before he met with Sasuke. 4 tails was powerful enough for Orochimaru not to want to continue the fight and even said a tbb means avoidable death.

Hello guys, I would like to prove why Naruto should keep Nine tails chakra mode for plot purpouses and Naruto vs Sasuke final battle. Here I Go

Five hard evidences supporting my point :

1) Both Naruto and Sasuke's Own powers are:

- Sennin mode for Naruto:

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- Mangenkyou Sharingan for Sasuke:

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2) Both powers were foreshadowed to be used in final battle:

- Itachi's eyes for Sasuke:

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- Nine tails chakra mode for Naruto :

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3) Both powers are compatible with Naruto and Sasuke's own powers:

- Itachi's eyes merge with Sasuke's eyes resulting in EMS:

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- Nine tails chakra mode can be combined with Sennin mode:

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4) Itachi's eyes and Nine tails chakra mode have not mind of their own. It use depend on users's use not differently.

5) Itachi's eyes and Nine tails chakra mode were both earned through hard battle in fair way:

- Itachi's eyes earned through hard battle against him:

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- Nine tails chakra mode earned through hard battle in fair way:

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Thanks for reading !

Remember this is mangaphux

If Naruto loose Nine tails chakra mode then Sasuke should loose Itachi itachi, it is only fair in this way. We know that Kishi won't take Itachi's eyes away from Sasuke so Naruto keep KCM and it can be reacharged.

Just deal with it

Haters gonna hate in 3..2...1

Well I thought it was manga facts that he would keep KM? Bee said the chakra Naruto take from Kurama would be his for life

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. Naruto even said when he's not using the chakra that it's sectioned off

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[xxSAGExx]

This. Unfair is an understatement.

Is there anything to prove that Sasuke's EMS actually enhances anything? It takes the strain away, it doesn't actually add anything - that's all Sasuke's experience coming into play. Perfect Susanno is still Susanno and it's obvious Sasuke achieved PS the same way he achieved the other Susanno forms - experience. If MS was immune to blindless, there's no reason to believe he couldn't eventually achieve Perfect Susanno like he achieved the previous forms through practice.

It's the same thing with Enton, the more he uses it, the better he gets at it. EMS doesn't automatically make Jutsu's better, it just takes the strain off and negates MS drawback thus making it EASIER to train them. Sasuke still has to train the Jutsu's otherwise he would of got PS straight away.

It's hardly comparable to Kurama where you get a near-infinite supply of Chakra, another mind to work with you on defeating enemies, top-tier destructive attacks, top-tier speed, a very strong defence...

There's nothing saying it doesn't enhance anything either both is an assumption in my opinion. I do think it does improve the jutsus because the strain still holds you back, it gave them intense pain that left openings for attacks. Sasuke mentioned how using Susanoo ached every cell in his body. LM is pure chakra though, no Kurama helping him. When Naruto was fighting Kurama, Bee said the chakra he takes will be his forever

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and Naruto said it's sectioned off and wouldn't always be using it

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Juugo was only needed to hurt obito otherwise he would just heal again. his COmplete susano is as said equal to that BM of nardo

PS ° BSM . both equal i say. naruto and Sasuke where equal. has the fight has showed non did better or worse

Madara said the PS power is comparable to the Bijuu while Yang Kurama was shown to match 5 fully powered Bijuus. Nothing we seen really shows that Sasuke's PS is equal to BM power wise so far, especially since both Naruto and Sasuke are new to their power. Also you do know both times Naruto went BSM, he was roughly at half power right? First time he went BSM, he borrowed chakra from Yin Kurama then gave chakra to SA with Minato then went BSM. Second time was after he had his chakra absorbed from the God tree and borrowed the rest of Yin Kurama's chakra. Naruto wasn't at full power.