Nine tails chakra mode for Naruto is same as Itachi's eyes for Sasuke [Please read]

[AllseeingSharingan]

Gotta point but currently the manga says something otherwise in narutos case. I highly doubt there gonna have there fight. Madara is steam rolling the SA

 

[Xaiban]

yes this is true but naruto's highest natural power is sm and sasuke's is ms and ms>sm

Which is why Itachi was so excited to fight Jiraiya instead of running away.

 

[The perfect Sage]

Well i would like madara to get minato's kurama aswell so we can see the 10 tails fully revived. When the god fruit appears, somehow naruto would eat that fruit and gains a new mode

Naruto to eat the fruit ? Hahaha , no . That would be him too OP and Sasuke would not stand a chance for their final fight . I mean , Full Power Kurama (Yin+Yang chakra) are enough to defeat Sasuke rather easy , then add the fruit powers , Sasuke would get pwned in seconds . I wouldn't like Naruto to gain such a strong power , rather I'd like Madara to eat it , 'cause he is the final villain now . But what if the fruit doesn't show up ?

 

[SharinganisOP]

Itachi's eyes are going to get taken away from Sasuke... and he will get Madara's rinnegan as an upgrade. FREE EYE UPGRADES all over the place for Sasuke who would be extremely weak right now if it weren't for Itachi. I really hope that doesn't happen...

Sasuke's power is almost all free power given to him: Cursed seal, Itachi giving him mangekyo, Itachi giving him EMS, Juugo giving him sage chakra, and being genetically superior by even having the sharingan in the first place. All these things are complete and absolute free powerups, requiring virtually nothing other than Sasuke saying 'gimme'.

Naruto on the other hand survived having a the kyuubi being sealed inside of him. Ya it was a free power up to like 2 or 3 tails, but after that the fox started controlling him and hurts his body. Naruto had to learn to control the fox through training, and to go higher than 3 tails while remaining in control he had to fight the kyuubi in a tug of war and win. He had to fight the most powerful bijuu, who is known to crush mountains, and win. Also he couldn't use too much of the kyuubi's chakra in kcm or else the kyuubi would take it all and kill him, which isn't the same for sasuke's free powerup.

Naruto has to train to control and obtain his powerups. Sasuke gets free powerups and can use them almost immediately if not immediately without any sort of training... Sasuke is the king of free powerups.

If Naruto and Sasuke are to fight then Naruto needs kurama. Or Sasuke needs a downgrade in power. As it is right now, Sasuke is stronger since Naruto doesn't have kurama, and without him it honestly won't be much of a fight.

 

[miromiro]

Yep this is all true. KCM itself isn't equal to EMS, but KCM+SM is. Basically, BM+SM were more powerful than EMS. At least theoretically. But then again, Sasuke has other powers than the EMS, the Curse Mark that is.

Good topic.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Gotta point but currently the manga says something otherwise in narutos case. I highly doubt there gonna have there fight. Madara is steam rolling the SA

^^ Yeah it is true... but Kishi is unpredicatable so I am not sure what we will get in next chapters.

 

[iNotorious]

Naruto to eat the fruit ? Hahaha , no . That would be him too OP and Sasuke would not stand a chance for their final fight . I mean , Full Power Kurama (Yin+Yang chakra) are enough to defeat Sasuke rather easy , then add the fruit powers , Sasuke would get pwned in seconds . I wouldn't like Naruto to gain such a strong power , rather I'd like Madara to eat it , 'cause he is the final villain now . But what if the fruit doesn't show up ?

I don't think they will have a final fight because i have a theory, orochimaru will take over sasuke's body :I

Itachi's eyes are going to get taken away from Sasuke... and he will get Madara's rinnegan as an upgrade. FREE EYE UPGRADES all over the place for Sasuke who would be extremely weak right now if it weren't for Itachi. I really hope that doesn't happen...

Sasuke's power is almost all free power given to him: Cursed seal, Itachi giving him mangekyo, Itachi giving him EMS, Juugo giving him sage chakra, and being genetically superior by even having the sharingan in the first place. All these things are complete and absolute free powerups, requiring virtually nothing other than Sasuke saying 'gimme'.

Naruto on the other hand survived having a the kyuubi being sealed inside of him. Ya it was a free power up to like 2 or 3 tails, but after that the fox started controlling him and hurts his body. Naruto had to learn to control the fox through training, and to go higher than 3 tails while remaining in control he had to fight the kyuubi in a tug of war and win. He had to fight the most powerful bijuu, who is known to crush mountains, and win. Also he couldn't use too much of the kyuubi's chakra in kcm or else the kyuubi would take it all and kill him, which isn't the same for sasuke's free powerup.

Naruto has to train to control and obtain his powerups. Sasuke gets free powerups and can use them almost immediately if not immediately without any sort of training... Sasuke is the king of free powerups.

If Naruto and Sasuke are to fight then Naruto needs kurama. Or Sasuke needs a downgrade in power. As it is right now, Sasuke is stronger since Naruto doesn't have kurama, and without him it honestly won't be much of a fight.

@Bold, Blind = Sakura -> Sasuke.

 

[AlphaScythian]

I feel its abit unfair comparison.
Itachi's eyes negate MS drawbacks while kurama is whole new entity more powerful then naruto himself.

 

[iNotorious]

I feel its abit unfair comparison.
Itachi's eyes negate MS drawbacks while kurama is whole new entity more powerful then naruto himself.

MS Blind sasuke then, and no kurama, totally fair :I

 

[KCMNaruto]

Itachi's eyes are going to get taken away from Sasuke... and he will get Madara's rinnegan as an upgrade. FREE EYE UPGRADES all over the place for Sasuke who would be extremely weak right now if it weren't for Itachi. I really hope that doesn't happen...

Sasuke's power is almost all free power given to him: Cursed seal, Itachi giving him mangekyo, Itachi giving him EMS, Juugo giving him sage chakra, and being genetically superior by even having the sharingan in the first place. All these things are complete and absolute free powerups, requiring virtually nothing other than Sasuke saying 'gimme'.

Naruto on the other hand survived having a the kyuubi being sealed inside of him. Ya it was a free power up to like 2 or 3 tails, but after that the fox started controlling him and hurts his body. Naruto had to learn to control the fox through training, and to go higher than 3 tails while remaining in control he had to fight the kyuubi in a tug of war and win. He had to fight the most powerful bijuu, who is known to crush mountains, and win. Also he couldn't use too much of the kyuubi's chakra in kcm or else the kyuubi would take it all and kill him, which isn't the same for sasuke's free powerup.

Naruto has to train to control and obtain his powerups. Sasuke gets free powerups and can use them almost immediately if not immediately without any sort of training... Sasuke is the king of free powerups.

If Naruto and Sasuke are to fight then Naruto needs kurama. Or Sasuke needs a downgrade in power. As it is right now, Sasuke is stronger since Naruto doesn't have kurama, and without him it honestly won't be much of a fight.

^^ Maybe, thanks for your input.

I agree with you at the most part

Yep this is all true. KCM itself isn't equal to EMS, but KCM+SM is. Basically, BM+SM were more powerful than EMS. At least theoretically. But then again, Sasuke has other powers than the EMS, the Curse Mark that is.

Good topic.

^^ I agree completly , thanks for your input ;P

 

[Kishi Uzumaki]

Yeah . your are right about those things that equals their powers .
But if naruto merge with two great toads it will be same as your comparison to itachi's eyes and KCM isn't it ?

 

[iNotorious]

Yeah . your are right about those things that equals their powers .
But if naruto merge with two great toads it will be same as your comparison to itachi's eyes and KCM isn't it ?

KCM + Ma+Pa = Top 10 c.c

 

[KCMNaruto]

I feel its abit unfair comparison.
Itachi's eyes negate MS drawbacks while kurama is whole new entity more powerful then naruto himself.

^^ True... and that why comparing BM to EMS was not fair comparision...

But I reffering to KCM alone, which is Nine tails chakra WITHOUT MIND ON IT's OWN, JUST POWERFULL CHAKRA

Itachi's eyes are JUST EYES WITH POWERFULL TECHNIQUES WITHOUT MIND

Both power were earned through hard battle. KCM = Itachi's MS eyes

KCM + SM = Itachi's MS + Sasuke's MS

Yes this is fair comparison as proved in my thread

Yeah . your are right about those things that equals their powers .
But if naruto merge with two great toads it will be same as your comparison to itachi's eyes and KCM isn't it ?

True... Ma and Pa could enhance Sage mode as well..., but remember they are new two minds involved... while KCM is just chakra alone.

KCM + Ma+Pa = Top 10 c.c

^^ True

and KCM + SM + MA + PA Naruto= EMS Sasuke with PS

 

[UchihaNagashi]

Saying that it's unfair that Naruto has no BM but Sasuke has EMS in this point is quite ridiculous...

Sasuke was cut off of CM, yet no fanboy of Sasuke was crying about it. Sasuke lost some of his good arsenal, yet Naruto got even more.

After that he got MS. Which was considered as PNJ by Naruto fanboys.

By the time Naruto got BM, Sasuke was bashed because of his incompetence. He was accepted as even only top 20 and no one said a thing. Now he got PS and full arsenal to compete Nagato.

So... I don't get why Sasuke-fans are called the worst when Naruto-fanboys cry whenever Naruto loses powerup or his level is reached or surpassed... Not to mention, it's not unfair Sasuke lost some of his powers throughout the series.

So some people need to admit he may not have KCM to save his ass and SM is not competent to top 10 level guys...​

 

[ANiMUS]

Agreed, good thread sir

 

[MinatoTheYellowFlash]

BSM = EMS...no takes back...heard from a naruto fanboy himself.

Its true though...people try to deny it so much that even when they see them fighting together in the same way, same speed, same sensing, same powers.

Current sasuke is beyond stronger now.
Naruto needs the other half plus the half he lost to equal current sasuke...with sage mode.

Sasuke has EMS, senjutsu curse mark in his chest (so all around sage mode attacks every time?), naruto's cloak absorbed (foreshadow from Madara), and Perfect susanoo.

Naruto has...well had the fox and sage mode. Its a shame that sasuke has so much more but naruto only needs two things to = all that of what sasuke has :| ​

 

[Kishi Uzumaki]

True... Ma and Pa could enhance Sage mode as well..., but remember they are new two minds involved... while KCM is just chakra alone.

Yeah . i understand that man but thinking about what happened in last chapter ( kurama get extracted ) . naruto will be able to use KCM once if the kurama's chakra is stored separately . do you think he can use KCM himself after kurama's chakra is used up ?

 

[iNotorious]

bsm = ems...no takes back...heard from a naruto fanboy himself.

Its true though...people try to deny it so much that even when they see them fighting together in the same way, same speed, same sensing, same powers.

Current sasuke is beyond stronger now.
Naruto needs the other half plus the half he lost to equal current sasuke...with sage mode.

Sasuke has ems, senjutsu curse mark in his chest (so all around sage mode attacks every time?), naruto's cloak absorbed (foreshadow from madara), and perfect susanoo.

Naruto has...well had the fox and sage mode. Its a shame that sasuke has so much more but naruto only needs two things to = all that of what sasuke has :| ​

bm = ems

bsm -> ems.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Saying that it's unfair that Naruto has no BM but Sasuke has EMS in this point is quite ridiculous...

Sasuke was cut off of CM, yet no fanboy of Sasuke was crying about it. Sasuke lost some of his good arsenal, yet Naruto got even more.

After that he got MS. Which was considered as PNJ by Naruto fanboys.

By the time Naruto got BM, Sasuke was bashed because of his incompetence. He was accepted as even only top 20 and no one said a thing. Now he got PS and full arsenal to compete Nagato.

So... I don't get why Sasuke-fans are called the worst when Naruto-fanboys cry whenever Naruto loses powerup or his level is reached or surpassed... Not to mention, it's not unfair Sasuke lost some of his powers throughout the series.

So some people need to admit he may not have KCM to save his ass and SM is not competent to top 10 level guys...​

nice bait my friend, but I am too calm to fall in this trap.

Bolded part, pff Curse mark at top of the Sasuke with Sharingan make him overpowerd.

CM Sharingan Sasuke > Pre SM Naruto

Underlined part, please do not include in bigger group with label of Naruto fanboys as clearly I am not.

Red colored part, Maybe true but again you assume things. Stop comparing to other peoples, in fact I was one of the members who stated completely otherwise like "Final Sussano unstabilized form EMS Sasuke= Half Kurama BM Naruto", yes I was bashed by these comments even by Naruto fanbase from time to time. I admit that the moment Naruto got BSM I was certain that BSM Naruto > EMS Sasuke... but again the gap was not that big and

I thought "BSM Naruto= Curse Mark Final Sussano unstabilized form EMS Sasuke"

Conclusion: I won't admit it as it is your pure assumption, with nothing to back up it. Naruto will keep Nine tails chakra mode and combine it with SM, while being behind Sasuke. The gap will be not such big, that my final claim.

Agreed, good thread sir

Thank you very much

BSM = EMS...no takes back...heard from a naruto fanboy himself.

Its true though...people try to deny it so much that even when they see them fighting together in the same way, same speed, same sensing, same powers.

Current sasuke is beyond stronger now.
Naruto needs the other half plus the half he lost to equal current sasuke...with sage mode.

Sasuke has EMS, senjutsu curse mark in his chest (so all around sage mode attacks every time?), naruto's cloak absorbed (foreshadow from Madara), and Perfect susanoo.

Naruto has...well had the fox and sage mode. Its a shame that sasuke has so much more but naruto only needs two things to = all that of what sasuke has :| ​

so much bullshit.

Imo Full Kurama BM Naruto would stomp at EMS Sasuke unless he has PS at Madara's level to match him.

Let's me enlighten you how it really works:

Full Kurama BSM Naruto>= EMS Sasuke with Full size PS coated in Enton > Full Kurama BM Naruto= EMS Sasuke with full size PS > Half Kurama BSM Naruto = EMS Sasuke with half size PS coated in Enton > Half Kurama BM Naruto = EMS Sasuke with half size PS > KCM + SM Naruto+ MA + PA = EMS Sasuke with final Sussano > KCM + SM Naruto > MS Sasuke = SM Naruto

deal with it

Yeah . i understand that man but thinking about what happened in last chapter ( kurama get extracted ) . naruto will be able to use KCM once if the kurama's chakra is stored separately . do you think he can use KCM himself after kurama's chakra is used up ?

Obviously he can... this is fan fiction universe where Kishi can change and set new rules when he want or need to. Kyuubi chakra will recharge itself somehow and could be used again and again. The only drawback will time for Kyuubi chakra to recharge... that the moment when Naruto won't have access to it.

 

[Champ]

Fanboys still mad Kurama got taken away