[New User] Tobirama Senju and Minato Namikaze are Related

[Drifter2410]

First of all, after visiting and reading threads on Narutobase to finally be able to register and post my own thread is really awesome. Thank you for reopening the Registrations.

Now, onto my theory. I somehow believe that Tobirama is directly or indirectly related to Minato, now I will base this theory only on Character Designs - Visual, Personality & Ninjutsu Capabilities.

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1. Visual Similarities

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Tobirama and Minato look really similar with the Spiky Hair and two sides of the faces covered - Mask in case of Tobirama & Hair in case of Minato. Now I know this is a long-shot but writers do tend to do this, similar base sketches and changed props. Why would a writer relate two people without them having any connection? But as I said, this is a long shot.

Here are two images for comparison.

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Also, one more thing to notice is how Tobirama & Hashirama have totally different appearances besides being brothers. If we look at other examples from the manga this is an exception as Madara & Izuna looked alike, Itachi & Sasuke looked alike but these two brothers have really contrasting appearances and I think this is because Tobirama has a bigger role in a different direction - Minato being related to him and this being revealed later.

2. Personality

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According to Naruto Wiki both Tobirama Senju and Minato Namikaze were composed individuals who always had a plan. Both were shrewd to the extent that they would assess each situation logically and not do anything without any reason. During battle both of them used Speed techniques but that is for the other section. Anyway here are links to their respective wikis and in the Personality section there are a lot of similarities which struck this idea actually.

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3. Ninjutsu Capabilities & Techniques

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• Both are adept at Space-Time Ninjutsu - FTG.
• Both are Sensory Types.
• Both rely on Speed & Reflexes instead of large techniques.

I know this theory was really small but I tried my best to use all available information. You can vote if you like my theory on the Poll above.

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Also, if you're wondering what was the main basis of this theory besides the similar character designs it was this scan from Chapter 462.

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What struck me is the word play, at one point Tobi says, he can see the Will of Fire in Naruto like Hashirama which is a simile like as White as Snow. But later he says, he sees Hashirama in Naruto which is metaphor. He again uses Metaphor in the next line which is Naruto and Sasuke directly being compared to Fire and Hatred and to Hashirama and Madara as if they are the exact opposites. Now we all know how Uzumaki are related to Senju and are distant cousins but to truly keep this page's meaning, Naruto should be a Senju not an Uzumaki so if Minato is related to Tobirama then it all makes perfect sense, Naruto had an Uzumaki mother and a Senju Father which makes him the exact opposite.

I hope you found this theory entertaining, if not plausible. Thank you for reading.

 

[neezyb]

......you do know Tobi never met Hashirama, right?

 

[davidou]

First of all, after visiting and reading threads on Narutobase to finally be able to register and post my own thread is really awesome. Thank you for reopening the Registrations.

Now, onto my theory. I somehow believe that Tobirama is directly or indirectly related to Minato, now I will base this theory only on Character Designs - Visual, Personality & Ninjutsu Capabilities.

Spoiler

1. Visual Similarities

Spoiler

Tobirama and Minato look really similar with the Spiky Hair and two sides of the faces covered - Mask in case of Tobirama & Hair in case of Minato. Now I know this is a long-shot but writers do tend to do this, similar base sketches and changed props. Why would a writer relate two people without them having any connection? But as I said, this is a long shot.

Here are two images for comparison.

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

Also, one more thing to notice is how Tobirama & Hashirama have totally different appearances besides being brothers. If we look at other examples from the manga this is an exception as Madara & Izuna looked alike, Itachi & Sasuke looked alike but these two brothers have really contrasting appearances and I think this is because Tobirama has a bigger role in a different direction - Minato being related to him and this being revealed later.

2. Personality

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According to Naruto Wiki both Tobirama Senju and Minato Namikaze were composed individuals who always had a plan. Both were shrewd to the extent that they would assess each situation logically and not do anything without any reason. During battle both of them used Speed techniques but that is for the other section. Anyway here are links to their respective wikis and in the Personality section there are a lot of similarities which struck this idea actually.

You must be registered for see links

You must be registered for see links

3. Ninjutsu Capabilities & Techniques

Spoiler

• Both are adept at Space-Time Ninjutsu - FTG.
• Both are Sensory Types.
• Both rely on Speed & Reflexes instead of large techniques.

I know this theory was really small but I tried my best to use all available information. You can vote if you like my theory on the Poll above.

Spoiler

Also, if you're wondering what was the main basis of this theory besides the similar character designs it was this scan from Chapter 462.

You must be registered for see images

What struck me is the word play, at one point Tobi says, he can see the Will of Fire in Naruto like Hashirama which is a simile like as White as Snow. But later he says, he sees Hashirama in Naruto which is metaphor. He again uses Metaphor in the next line which is Naruto and Sasuke directly being compared to Fire and Hatred and to Hashirama and Madara as if they are the exact opposites. Now we all know how Uzumaki are related to Senju and are distant cousins but to truly keep this page's meaning, Naruto should be a Senju not an Uzumaki so if Minato is related to Tobirama then it all makes perfect sense, Naruto had an Uzumaki mother and a Senju Father which makes him the exact opposite.

I hope you found this theory entertaining, if not plausible. Thank you for reading.

I hate your conclusion , your title.
Can you be more vague , I don't think so.

Your thread is about the similarities between Tobirama and Minato.
"related to" means nothing , even "directly related to" means nothing , what to think about "inderectly related to"?

 

[valandil988]

I hate your conclusion , your title.
Can you be more vague , I don't think so.

Your thread is about the similarities between Tobirama and Minato.
"related to" means nothing , even "directly related to" means nothing , what to think about "inderectly related to"?

And your counter argument was what? Completely nonsensical. Minato and Tobirama are essentially the same character, both sacrifced themselves for their comrades/village, both are logical individuals, both use FTG. I've not seen anyone explain how Minato knows that jutsu BEFORE becoming Hokage, at which point he would gain control of the scrolls pertaining to FTG. The fact he became Hokage for his exploits WITH the FTG means he had it before he gained the position, ergo he must have had some connection to Tobirama to justify him having those scrolls.

I think he raises some good questions, and for a first post it is excellent.

I welcome you to NB officially.

 

[Valhorus]

I don't think so .

 

[davidou]

And your counter argument was what? Completely nonsensical. I think he raises some good questions, and for a first post it is excellent.

I welcome you to NB officially.

No counter cause there is no hypothesis.
It's impossible to counter such a vague statement.
Everything could be related to everything.

 

[valandil988]

No counter cause there is no hypothesis.

The hypothesis was obvious if you didn't notice, Minato = Senju duh.

Your were also extremely rude to a first time poster. What are you some kinda Minato fanboy?

 

[Drifter2410]

......you do know Tobi never met Hashirama, right?

Yup. I do know that. But there are already mysteries surrounding the Tobi who attacked Konoha versus the Funny Tobi vs Obito.

How the voice changes and the type of speech they use change, people have already put up theories about Madara having controlled Obito for a while and using his body to carry himself & his will.

I somehow incline towards this because of this simple reason, someone like Madara won't rely on a Boy (Nagato) and another crushed boy (Obito) to carry on such an important mission, what if Nagato never revived Madara (as it happened) and Obito never carried out Tsuki No Me. I know he left Black Zetsu but there is something fishy here, a loophole perhaps but its all speculation I guess.

Thank you for commenting.

P.S. - I know the theory was not very solid but I could not gather much facts, and if I feel something, a hunch, then I will put the tag of theory I guess even if it isn't very concise.

 

[Drifter2410]

I hate your conclusion , your title.
Can you be more vague , I don't think so.

Your thread is about the similarities between Tobirama and Minato.
"related to" means nothing , even "directly related to" means nothing , what to think about "inderectly related to"?

And your counter argument was what? Completely nonsensical. Minato and Tobirama are essentially the same character, both sacrifced themselves for their comrades/village, both are logical individuals, both use FTG. I've not seen anyone explain how Minato knows that jutsu BEFORE becoming Hokage, at which point he would gain control of the scrolls pertaining to FTG. The fact he became Hokage for his exploits WITH the FTG means he had it before he gained the position, ergo he must have had some connection to Tobirama to justify him having those scrolls.

I think he raises some good questions, and for a first post it is excellent.

I welcome you to NB officially.

No counter cause there is no hypothesis.
It's impossible to counter such a vague statement.
Everything could be related to everything.

The hypothesis was obvious if you didn't notice, Minato = Senju duh.

Your were also extremely rude to a first time poster. What are you some kinda Minato fanboy?

First of all, davidou, I will just say this, this is a Theory and the fact that it isn't in the manga is because I am not Kishi Sensei. Second, you need to learn the basics of language because when it's clearly written as what relate here pertains to is Minato being a Senju by blood So, I guess I didn't have to clearly lay it down for you full layman style.

valandil988 clearly got what I wanted to say and thanks to him, I will post sometime later because if it were just the first two replies, then I would have quit Narutobase right away because of Thread Bashing like crazy while not understanding the thread itself and not even providing a suitable reply. Just going Berserk like this - there is no point someone does that on a Forum. :/

Now as a general comment, there is a reason I have written several times that this is a short theory and I could not gather much, so there's that. Thank you for commenting people.

 

[Drifter2410]

I don't think so .

And I respect that. Atleast you didn't bash me up @davidou style.

 

[Drifter2410]

I don't think so .

And I respect that. Atleast you didn't bash me up davidou style.

 

[davidou]

The hypothesis was obvious if you didn't notice, Minato = Senju duh.

Your were also extremely rude to a first time poster. What are you some kinda Minato fanboy?

Yep I'm rude with the "related to" threads.
Why didn't he use the simple words "blood link"?

It would be interesting to see a blood link between Tobirama and Minato.
Hiruzen would be the baby sitter for Tobirama's descendance , Minato then Naruto.

 

[Valhorus]

And I respect that. Atleast you didn't bash me up davidou style.

Well you got some good points , but i don't think is it posibble

 

[Drifter2410]

Yep I'm rude with the "related to" threads.
Why didn't he use the simple words "blood link"?

It would be interesting to see a blood link between Tobirama and Minato.
Hiruzen would be the baby sitter for Tobirama's descendance , Minato then Naruto.

I didn't use it in the title, but I did point it out in the text, if you cared to read it. :/

 

[Drifter2410]

Well you got some good points , but i don't think is it posibble

Ok. Thanks for reading.

 

[neezyb]

Well if they were related Minato would have introduced himself as apart of the Senju clan. But that wouldn't happen because the Namikaze clan is a mystery in itself.

And on top of that Hashi and Tobirama are about 2 generations Minato's senior so if he was a Senju we would know.

 

[davidou]

And I respect that. Atleast you didn't bash me up davidou style.

So you don't recognize your mistake , I tried hard.

 

[Drifter2410]

Well if they were related Minato would have introduced himself as apart of the Senju clan. But that wouldn't happen because the Namikaze clan is a mystery in itself.

And on top of that Hashi and Tobirama are about 2 generations Minato's senior so if he was a Senju we would know.

That is what I'm trying to point out here, Minato is a Namikaze (about whom we have no idea) but Namikaze is not a very old clan (I believe) and that it may have been somehow related to Tobirama. But as I said multiple times, speculation. Each theory is speculation anyway. Thanks for commenting.

 

[Drifter2410]

So you don't recognize your mistake , I tried hard.

A mistake that only you seem to be checking, everyone else understood what I wanted to say because it was in the text. If titles were theories, damn, I can't imagine that.

 

[davidou]

Well if they were related Minato would have introduced himself as apart of the Senju clan. But that wouldn't happen because the Namikaze clan is a mystery in itself.

And on top of that Hashi and Tobirama are about 2 generations Minato's senior so if he was a Senju we would know.

Minato could be a baby hidden by Hiruzen ( name him Namikaze ) , when Tobirama gave his life to save his team.
That could fit the timeline.