Hey man, I'm not saying Naruto has no strategic thinking at all, but what I'm saying is Naruto ability is inferior to Uchiha Madara at his current level in this department, when the story unravels can't you see that Madara is thinks in a different level and has been doing so since even before the birth of Konoha. Don't compare Zabuza to Madara it's like comparing cheese and chalk, the gap certainly is less between Naruto and Zabuza due to the simple fact that Zabuza himself was not the sharpest tool in the shed, he was powerful no argument there which only proves that he was better than a street thug, in no way in hell he's in the same league as Madara, Kakuzu on the other hand was a different story, he under estimated Naruto, and that was his error, but I don't think Madara is the kind to underestimate anyone he proves it time and time again the best example is Konnan battle in the chapter before last...so your saying Naruto ability to create on the fly strategy ( like the numbers he did on Zabuza Momochi and Kazuku ) will play no part in a Naruto vs Madara fight, by my understanding the difference between madara and naruto is considerably less then the difference between naruto and Zabuza Momochi during the bridge builder mission and he owned him petty good
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Hammy120290
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Where did Naruto fight Zabuza 1 on 1???so your saying Naruto ability to create on the fly strategy ( like the numbers he did on Zabuza Momochi and Kazuku ) will play no part in a Naruto vs Madara fight, by my understanding the difference between madara and naruto is considerably less then the difference between naruto and Zabuza Momochi during the bridge builder mission and he owned him petty good
Naruto at this moment in time could not defeat Madara.
Naruto could defeat Sasuke.
Madara has 7 paths of Pein + Izanagi and is a master of Space Time Jutsu.
It wouldnt be a quick fight but Naruto would be fighting for ages EVENTUALLY KICK MADARA'S ASS...then he uses Izanagi and Naruto has to do it again....and again....and again until Madara just goes "had enough now" *THWACK and Naruto is out.
Also remember Madara was able to control the Kyuubi with the Sharingan we have no idea what effect a Rinnegan + Sharingan will have on the Kyuubi.
Naruto needs to train and prefect his Speed/Strength/Chakra and also he needs to learn how to combine Sage Mode + Bijuu Cloak = Awesomenessnessnessness ^^ he'll travel at the speed of light HA
My prediction is this, i have 2 different predictions which are fairly similar but anyways, here they are:
1. Madara is going to fight against killerbee and naruto while sasuke goes to konoha. While sasuke is there, he get a flashback of all the times he spent in konoha, this makes him realize that he's making a massive mistake and goes to help naruto where he finds killerbee dead and only naruto left standing. The fight goes on.
2. Madara will fight against naruto and sasuke is going to konoha but on the way killerbee stops him as naruto requested and fights him.
1. Madara is going to fight against killerbee and naruto while sasuke goes to konoha. While sasuke is there, he get a flashback of all the times he spent in konoha, this makes him realize that he's making a massive mistake and goes to help naruto where he finds killerbee dead and only naruto left standing. The fight goes on.
2. Madara will fight against naruto and sasuke is going to konoha but on the way killerbee stops him as naruto requested and fights him.
Hammy120290
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SOOOO NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
Sorry but that happening would
A) mean Sasuke vs Naruto wouldnt happen
B) Itachis gift wouldnt be revealed
C) IT WOULD SUCK ASS.
Also remember it'd take more than a flashback to change Sasuke's mind I mean C'MON a flashback to change his mind KONAHA KILLED HIS BROTHER AND WHOLE FAMILY.
"Oh but I remember being happy with Kakashi, Naruto and Sakura i'll forgive them all." put some thought into it mate.
sorry to sound patronising lol.
Zigi Uchiha
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Well , naruto's new powers are kyuubi controll and FTD , we are still not aware of Madara's new powers so we cant judge
Hammy120290
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Well we havent seen them but just imagine the Sharingan powers + Rinnegan and we have seen both so we can kinda guess his powers.
The only powers im unsure of are:
His abilities in space time jutsu: have they been upgraded?
Izanagi: With the Rinnegan+sharingan is this technique unlimited?
Madra would win Hands down... If Im right madra has both sets of eyes. The same power that powerful monk once had? And that power created all the tailed beasts and all the jitsus. Am I correct. Last time I checked that's a ton of power. Madra has experience, power and all the above over naruto. Naruto is going to need a lot more than a chakra shuriken and speed to finish off him. Maybe with him in sage mode and boosted with the power of the ninetails and Sasuke at his side. Naruto is defiantly going to need more than just speed. I honestly dont think naruto can even beat Sasuke although I think it will be close. Although I think Naruto will have the advantage because Sasuke cant use his true power for long enough time.
Hammy120290
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Btw.
Personally the way I believe Sasuke will change his mind is right after he fight Naruto.
I believe at some point Sasuke will fight Naruto. Naruto will win but not kill Sasuke and then Sasuke will take a cheap shot after Naruto refuses to kill him and knock him out and then Madara will take Naruto.
Sasuke will then try and save Naruto by returning to Konaha to gather an army.
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Hammy120290
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Madara doesnt have the same power to create the tailed beasts i.e. the power to create life. He has the power to bring his imagination to life Izanagi but not the power to create life.
Madara needs the SOSP power of Yin + Yang to do that. The SOSP left his Spiritual and Mental energy to either son which is Yin and Yang which are 2 other paths he needs to collect.
Il try and find the page I think it was chapter 510 that Madara explains it.
Hammy120290
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Hes not afraid of Kabuto's power but what he knows. Kabuto knows a secret about "uchiha Madara" that could potentially destroy his plans thats what i believe anyway.
yeah!! im with you with that.. coz here in naruto no one will be on top of the story just only our Naruto San... this anime build for Naruto and it will end for Naruto.. and for us,, enjoyment while watching... thanks to all staff for this such beautiful episodes.. ICHIBAN,, ichiban... Kamsameda... sung-jangnyim...
moudhgalya
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Dude where did U get the info that Madara could use the seven paths of Pein.....Don't assume things.....
Haha I kinda agree with that part....Honestly I can't see how Naruto is gonna defeat Madara...may be PNJ will help himmm...
....Madara can only control the kyuubi when the seal is weakened or the Kyuubi is out.....No affect of rinnegan as of now.....So I don't see Madara having an affect on kyuubi....
Yes Yes....Since Naruto now has almost unlimited chakra...Also I think since he can control the kyuubi he can fuse with Ma/Pa and achieve unlimited sage mode too......Imagine Naruto making a Gazillion clones after perfecting teleportation and each of them moving at FTL........He would almost instantly assrape almost all the guys.....
Hammy120290
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well the 7 paths of Pein was just the name Nagato gave his clones the Rinnegan has all these powers as we can see when Nagato summoned the Gedo Maza after Yahiko died and took everyones souls.Dude where did U get the info that Madara could use the seven paths of Pein.....Don't assume things.....
Haha I kinda agree with that part....Honestly I can't see how Naruto is gonna defeat Madara...may be PNJ will help himmm...
Madara can only control the kyuubi when the seal is weakened or the Kyuubi is out.....No affect of rinnegan as of now.....So I don't see Madara having an affect on kyuubi....
Yes Yes....Since Naruto now has almost unlimited chakra...Also I think since he can control the kyuubi he can fuse with Ma/Pa and achieve unlimited sage mode too......Imagine Naruto making a Gazillion clones after perfecting teleportation and each of them moving at FTL........He would almost instantly assrape almost all the guys.....
Madara WILL have the "7 paths" or techniques if you want.
I mean imagine Madara being able to push/pull anything. Absorb any ninjutsu. And bring any summons back to life etc etc. Basically unstoppable just now.
And YOUR assuming things saying that Madara can only control the Kyuubi when the seal is weakened our outside with the Rinnegan we have no idea.
When Sasuke met Naruto after 3 years at Orochimarus hideout Sasuke could see into Narutos mind and *popped the Kyuubi so Naruto couldnt use its chakra.
moudhgalya
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LOL ok....we don't know now if Madara's is gonna actually use the "Paths" similar to what Nagato did......Also I am not sure if Madara is gonna use the same techs as Nagato..we'll see...
What arbit....Then answer my question...Why did Madara choose to wait until Kushina was going to deliver Naruto ?
He himself said that he was waiting for the right opportunity to unleash the kyuubi....
At that moment of time the seal was weakened as can be seen from the fact that Kyuubi was well outside ....
Now Nruto has complete control over the Kyuubi and I don't see Madara having an effect with his sharingan.....
Also I said I had no idea what affect Madara's rinnegan is gonna have....I didn't assume anything.....
Hammy120290
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He had to wait until the seal was weakened as Kushina was Uzumaki and had one of the strongest seals. Madara needed the seal weakened as he is a shadow of his former self and would have to contend with the 4th Hokage before getting to Kushina also.
The birth also gave him more leverage i.e. Naruto. And also waiting for the right time - the 4th is outside the city with 2 people he loves that Madara could use to distract him will Konoha gets destroyed. I mean the Hokage is the defender of Konoha 2 loved ones in danger perfect distraction.
And with Naruto having a strong seal and being an Uzumaki thats why I believe he will send Sasuke to weaken Naruto first and thus weaken the seal. And then Madara will finish Naruto off and leave Sasuke to Kabuto.
moudhgalya
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Well.....IDK what this so called Madara Prime could do...SO I am gonna pass this one....No point arguing....
Haha but I don't see any indication of him doing it now...He said that he's going in person to capture him....
Anyway I see a Naruto - Sasuke battle in the corner with Naruto using his Ultimate "Talk No Jutsu" and show him light...
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lol as my first post here after viewing the forums for over a month 0.0 i agree with this guy right here....though classically something will happen and naruto will come back and whoop his ass but for the first bout unless some major disaster tips things in narutos favor the first win will be madaras
