New Info about Hyugas and Kaguya/Hamura translated

[1Told]

As you said earlier all we have are theories regarding that

Fact is she is not from Hamura.I will wait for Kishi to explain it in Part 3 but considering Kishi's track record he may even drop it as he has done earlier so I am not getting my hopes up

On a sidenote I cant wait for that chunnin exam filler

forget about Kishi, this man has no memory, he forgot to draw the kids eyes Lol

yeah maybe these fillers are gonna be fun, that's all we have for now damnit...

 

[shelke]

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"By suffering and hard training, the chakra within his body bloomed and he gained the same power as his brother."

He was born with the genetic potential for strong chakra. He just had to train to bring that power out, unlike his brother. It's was dorimant.

He is talking about his Chakra potency. Unless you believe that he magically developed his father's chakra genes, when he never had them in the first place, then you are making this up, as there is not a scan in the manga to support this.

No, he wasn't. Where is the scan for it? There isn't any. That never happened. He made his own unique chakra bloom and got the Bijuu chakra from Ninshu, which manifested as the cloak that greatly resembles Naruto's in RSM form.

 

[chaos control]

A smell a hyuga uprising soon we will be seeing "Hinata solos your face" and "Hyuga's solo petty Uchiha dojutsu" threads XD

I don't see why a lot of people are saying that the revelation of the Hyuugas being Hagoromo's descendants will start an Uchiha vs. Hyuuga war. The Uchiha is also a direct descendant of Hagoromo and they still have way more feats in terms of power and even plot importance. Besides, while it is debatable that byakugan > 3 tomoe sharingan,

Mangekyou Sharingan >> Byakugan
EMS >>> Byakugan
Rinnegan >>>>>>>>> Byakugan
Rinnegan supposedly = tenseigan

(It is true that MS, EMS and rinnegan are rare, but the tenseigan is the rarest doujutsu in the series having the least number of wielders (only Toneri) and requiring the power of at least a millenium's worth of byakugan. At least MS and EMS only require one pain of loss and one pair of eyes from a sibling. Rinnegan only requires two sets of chakara (Indra and Ashura's). Even the rinne sharingan is more common than tenseigan having two wielders (Kaguya and Madara) ).

 

[Springfieldbully]

So you don't have to be related to inherit a KKG?

So someone could awaken the sharingan without being related to the Uchiha?

technically they are ALL RELATED! just because hogoromo possessed the rinnegan does not mean the genetics for awakening the byakugan disappeared from his body! If my mother has blue eyes, and I have brown, but my kids get blue eyes, we are ALL KIN! doesn't matter where it came from. those eyes are in the blood!

 

[ShinjuMadara]

Why didn't Kaguya get Tenseigan?

Kishi fodderized her, she should've been the ultimate creation

 

[MAN OF SIN]

He is talking about his Chakra potency. Unless you believe that he magically developed his father's chakra genes, when he never had them in the first place, then you are making this up, as there is not a scan in the manga to support this.

"Same power as his brother."

He had them within his body, he just had to work to bring it out. Of course he had the genes, he's his son. It's just like how Hagoromo didn't posscess the Sharingan, but had the recessive genes for it as shown by his Uchiha descendants.

No, he wasn't. Where is the scan for it? There isn't any. That never happened. He made his own unique chakra bloom and got the Bijuu chakra from Ninshu, which manifested as the cloak that greatly resembles Naruto's in RSM form.

Where is this stated?

 

[Arcaneos510X]

So you don't have to be related to inherit a KKG?

So someone could awaken the sharingan without being related to the Uchiha?

I would say yes if you can produce the same chakra in the same part of the brain.

 

[Lia]

It is sad to see what Kishi did with his manga... nearly nothing makes sense anymore and there are 45934744 doujutsu with stupid roots. The story of the Ootsutsukis, especially Toneri and Kaguya.. the Byakugan itself and the Rinne Sharingan.. Kurama outside of Naruto in "The Last", everything is just stupid and makes no sense. And then there are interviews in which Kishi says that Neji died like a worthless idiot just for a pairing. GG Kishi.

 

[tristan de boiz]

What the **** did you just post. How then did hinata get hamura's chakra in her. And besides it is possible that hamura had an illegitimate child whom letter formed the hyuuga clan. They said all the otsutki except hago left with hamura. But it is possible that hamura or any of his children mistaken had a child and then and left that child on earth

 

[shelke]

"Same power as his brother."

He had them within his body, he just had to work to bring it out. Of course he had the genes, he's his son. It's just like how Hagoromo didn't posscess the Sharingan, but had the recessive genes for it as shown by his Uchiha descendants.

Where is this stated?

Did he say the same chakra? I mean, how much clear can the "he didn't inherit my chakra genes" get? Are you suggesting that he sprouted chakra genes then, when he didn't have them in the first place?

He didn't have his chakra genes. He awoke his own unique chakra and enhanced it through Ninshuu with the Tailed Beasts in the exact same manner Naruto did. Which would explain his Avatar. When the manga explicitly states that the chakra genes were missing, then they were. Case closed.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

Did he say the same chakra? I mean, how much clear can the "he didn't inherit my chakra genes" get? Are you suggesting that he sprouted chakra genes then, when he didn't have them in the first place?

He didn't have his chakra genes. He awoke his own unique chakra and enhanced it through Ninshuu with the Tailed Beasts in the exact same manner Naruto did. Which would explain his Avatar. When the manga explicitly states that the chakra genes were missing, then they were. Case closed.

Lmao he did have the genes. He meant that the genes were recessive in him but he made it dominant. The dude had truth seeking balls like his dad, uncle, and grandmother. So there was nothing unique about his chakra.

There is nothing mentioning Ninshuu, that's not "suffering and training". And his avatar wasn't shaped like any of the tailed beasts. They weren't even made until right before his father's death, so there is no way he was a jin.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

What the **** did you just post. How then did hinata get hamura's chakra in her. And besides it is possible that hamura had an illegitimate child whom letter formed the hyuuga clan. They said all the otsutki except hago left with hamura. But it is possible that hamura or any of his children mistaken had a child and then and left that child on earth

Who said that you needed to be Hamura's descendant to gain his chakra? Nowhere. Hamura appeared to Hinata and gave it to her. It's flat out stated that the Hyuugas=/= Hamura descendants and they just have high biocompatibility with them(due to having Kaguya as an ancestor). All of Hamura's unborn descendants have their eyes sealed.

 

[Anorien16]

How could Indra/Asura produce Byakugan?

Study Dominant Traits and Recessive traits and how they are distributed.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Study Dominant Traits and Recessive traits and how they are distributed.

I can get "recessive", but wouldn't that mean that one of their descendants would have to have kids with someone with the same recessive trait?

 

[Anorien16]

I can get "recessive", but wouldn't that mean that one of their descendants would have to have kids with someone with the same recessive trait?

Technically speaking since Byakugan can be considered a recessive trait from Kaguya .... All her descendants have the said alleles and potential to be born with the said power when the said allele is able to dominate. (Thouh it would not be same as the Pure) The favorable combination can be brought on about any combination but some conditions have a greater chance.

 

[shelke]

Lmao he did have the genes. He meant that the genes were recessive in him but he made it dominant. The dude had truth seeking balls like his dad, uncle, and grandmother. So there was nothing unique about his chakra.

There is nothing mentioning Ninshuu, that's not "suffering and training". And his avatar wasn't shaped like any of the tailed beasts. They weren't even made until right before his father's death, so there is no way he was a jin.

Can you read English? "He didn't have my Chakra Genes." He can inherit his nose and Sage's mother's buttocks through the regular genes for all I care, but that one piece of the puzzle, those chakra genes; he never inherited them. That is the Sage's word, by extension the manga's, by extension the author's word. Therefore however you try to refute it, it's fanfiction to me.

Really? The sage said he gave his legacy to him and divided the Jubbi up and named the beasts - the entire Ninshuu legacy. He has the orbs through the Bijuu chakra, given that TSB was Kaguya's ability to begin with. We saw Naruto practice Ninshuu with the Bijuu by calling out their names - as a reward, they gave him their chakra. Not sure what's even the debate here.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

Can you read English? "He didn't have my Chakra Genes." He can inherit his nose and Sage's mother's buttocks through the regular genes for all I care, but that one piece of the puzzle, those chakra genes; he never inherited them. That is the Sage's word, by extension the manga's, by extension the author's word. Therefore however you try to refute it, it's fanfiction to me.

Really? The sage said he gave his legacy to him and divided the Jubbi up and named the beasts - the entire Ninshuu legacy. He has the orbs through the Bijuu chakra, given that TSB was Kaguya's ability to begin with. We saw Naruto practice Ninshuu with the Bijuu by calling out their names - as a reward, they gave him their chakra. Not sure what's even the debate here.

1) You don't get the orbs through Bijuu chakra. Otherwise Naruto would have had it the moment the tailed beast gave him chakra. Toneri and Hamura had TSB without Bijuu chakra.
2) It's been stated that you need "strong chakra genes" to be a jin to begin with.

 

[shelke]

1) You don't get the orbs through Bijuu chakra. Otherwise Naruto would have had it the moment the tailed beast gave him chakra. Toneri and Hamura had TSB without Bijuu chakra.
2) It's been stated that you need "strong chakra genes" to be a jin to begin with.

It's passed down through Kaguya. The Bijuu are Kaguya, if they are considered as an aggregate. I don't even care what happened in the movie, but Hamura and Hogoromo had the orbs as rods, as they are direct descendants of their mother. Comparing Naruto to Ashura is pointless, as Ashura - or Indra's - chakra got diluted over the ages.

Which has nothing to do with having the Sage's chakra gene as there are and have been, plenty of Jins in the world.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

It's passed down through Kaguya. The Bijuu are Kaguya, if they are considered as an aggregate. I don't even care what happened in the movie, but Hamura and Hogoromo had the orbs as rods, as they are direct descendants of their mother. Comparing Naruto to Ashura is pointless, as Ashura - or Indra's - chakra got diluted over the ages.

Naruto's case is evidence that the tailed beast chakra are not a requirement for TSB. Hell, not even Sasuke could product them when he was using their chakra. Six Paths Sage Chakra is the requirement.

The tailed beasts are not Kaguya but her chakra. Like how everyone's chakra is basically her's since she is the progenitor of it.

Which has nothing to do with having the Sage's chakra gene as there are and have been, plenty of Jins in the world.

The Sage said he didn't have "strong chakra genes". Yet you're claiming that he is doings things only people with strong chakra genes can do. Hmm...

Btw, there are not that many compatible jins.

 

[shelke]

Naruto's case is evidence that the tailed beast chakra are not a requirement for TSB. Hell, not even Sasuke could product them when he was using their chakra. But Six Paths Sage Chakra is the requirement.

The tailed beasts are not Kaguya but her chakra. Like how everyone's chakra is basically her's since she is the progenitor of it.



The Sage said he didn't have "strong chakra genes". Yet you're claiming that he is doings things only people with strong chakra genes can do. Hmm...

Btw, there are not that many compatible jins.

Already explained how it is not an evidence due to dilution. Tailed Beasts and his extremely potent chakra that matched Indra's produced the TSBs. Ninshuu apparently is the key to TSBs, as Sasuke took out the chakra by force and Naruto didn't. He is also an Ashura incarnate, who was able to produce them himself. Indra never did.

Really? I wonder why Kaguya and Hamura had them when Sage of the Six paths is some kind of pre-requisite for it. It will be true for Naruto as his own chakra is extremely weak, but Ashura at least had the potential to awaken extremely powerful chakra. Which he did so later on.

What? The Juubi is Kaguya. Break them up, and it's Kaguya in nine parts. Not sure what your point is here.

He didn't have the sage's strong chakra genes. He awoke his own chakra, a potent one, through his own hard-work. Again, the manga is clear cut on this. The ones the manga showed were.

This is getting too tedious. I have yet to see any manga scan that refutes the sage's statement. One cannot magically develop genes when he doesn't have any. In Ashura's case, he didn't inherit the Sage's strong chakra genes. He developed his own Chakra. And I am out as it feels like beating a dead horse at this point.