'New generation surpasses the old' Contradictions?

[mikeeozua]

Throughout this whole war Kishi has hinted at the concept of the new generation surpassing the old. But is that really true? Kakashi's generation (Obito aside) would stand no chance compared to the previous generation in Minato and the Sannin etc. Also at the moment the alliance are being saved by the four Hokages as they are holding back Obito and Madara. The Konoha 11 who are supposed to be the symbols of the new generation have now been rendered irrelevant as they would just get in the way. Isn't the message contradictory in only working for Naruto's generation?

 

[Prince Charles]

Of course that quote is false.

 

[Versatile jutsu]

by feats new generation surpass previous.

 

[Skywardsword]

Well, Naruto is the protagonist...just you wait.

 

[mikeeozua]

Well, Naruto is the protagonist...just you wait.

Doesn't explain why Kakashi's generation can't lift a finger to Hashi's.

 

[RNITBmsage]

they're still young
give it time

 

[Tobby17]

well they kinda surpassed their parents:yeah:

 

[Transcendence]

Doesn't explain why Kakashi's generation can't lift a finger to Hashi's.

Yes it does. Hashirama's generation was the Prime of the Senju and Uchiha. Kakashi's generation was at the point where the Senju had dilated and the Uchiha minus Shisui/Kagami were weak (Unless you count Obito now).

 

[MinatoTheYellowFlash]

Hashirama r@pes Naruto with on finger.
Madara r@pes Sasuke while sitting down.

 

[Xāvî1]

Throughout this whole war Kishi has hinted at the concept of the new generation surpassing the old. But is that really true? Kakashi's generation (Obito aside) would stand no chance compared to the previous generation in Minato and the Sannin etc. Also at the moment the alliance are being saved by the four Hokages as they are holding back Obito and Madara. The Konoha 11 who are supposed to be the symbols of the new generation have now been rendered irrelevant as they would just get in the way. Isn't the message contradictory in only working for Naruto's generation?

old is gold

 

[mikeeozua]

Yes it does. Hashirama's generation was the Prime of the Senju and Uchiha. Kakashi's generation was at the point where the Senju had dilated and the Uchiha minus Shisui/Kagami were weak (Unless you count Obito now).

Actually yeah that's a good point. I just thought that they seemed weak since the only seemingly strong ones from that era are Kakashi, Gai and Obito.

 

[grizzlyshree]

Doesn't explain why Kakashi's generation can't lift a finger to Hashi's.

well, i think that it is just an ideal and need not be an actual truth.

i mena, isnt the concept of present surpassing previous an ideal shared by people of Konoha? it is just an ideal and neednt be true for all cases.

it is more of Kakashi and peoples opinion rather than truth. i am sure that Narutos generation surpasses kakshis but it doesn mean that Kakashis generation must surpass Minatos or Hiruzens or Tobiramas or hashiramas.

just look at that this way, wont you be happy if ur kids surpass you (migght be your talent or anything)? its just like that. the old generation always expects their future generation to be better than them in every aspect. this is more of an ideal than absolute truth.

 

[Kurama2012]

well the thing is the hokage are all prodigy's and sasuke and naruto are the prodigy's of the current generation so to expect all of narutos generation to be op would be insane

like out of hashiramas generation who do we know that are op that would be hashi, tobirama, madara and possibly izuna

hiruzens generation hiruzen is the only one that comes to mind but they probably had others

minatos generation again only minato comes to mind

tsunades generation the 3 sarnin

then you have narutos generation who are naruto, sasuke and gaara

so if you look at the prodigy's of each generation its about even

a generation would include a lot more and from what we know most of narutos gen have surpassed the previous generation to some degree

 

[TrollingSage]

New generation will surpass the old but not when they are adolescent and bratty teenagers:':yeah:

 

[Miyata]

Just like in sports, you get those few fighters that stand the test of time! But as the strength and talent of the fighters as a WHOLE generation... the new school usually always more advanced example....Madara is the strongest uchia... bit look at how many high level uchias were in obitos and itachis generation copared to madara's!

 

[nandachikara]

the old generation have got all their powerup from kishi,plus experience and such but the new generation are still getting their power step by step when they get their full powerup then they can take on and surpass the old generation.

 

[HiddenSound]

Yup. Manga contradictions all around.

 

[BlacLord™]

It's talking in morals, not in power.

 

[AllomnisymbolsparttwoT]

the new has surpass the old by will, everyone in the past was full of wars, thieving and backstabbing but now everyone is fighting to protect each other .. come on people.. read the manga you should know the answer.. anyway thats what it is about also Naruto has surpass rikudo in that he is showing the bijuus the true light unlike when they were in rikudo Hey I did not say this so dont hate on me, this is how kishi is going

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

Throughout this whole war Kishi has hinted at the concept of the new generation surpassing the old. But is that really true? Kakashi's generation (Obito aside) would stand no chance compared to the previous generation in Minato and the Sannin etc. Also at the moment the alliance are being saved by the four Hokages as they are holding back Obito and Madara. The Konoha 11 who are supposed to be the symbols of the new generation have now been rendered irrelevant as they would just get in the way. Isn't the message contradictory in only working for Naruto's generation?

He didn't say or literally mean every single person from each proceeding generation would be stronger then every preceding person from previous generations.


The people you bring up in this thread are some of the strongest shinobi period.