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"After drying up myself I walk towards sensei.He provided me a chakra paper to find out weather my nature was actually water.I took the chakra paper in my hands between the fore finger and the middle finger and starts to mold my chakra into my hands.Closed my eyes and start to picture about the nature and char. of the water chakra. Bites the teeth and with great concentration focuses the chakra through the chakra paper.A dripping sound.Yes the chakra paper was completely wet.Yes I have succeeded in using my water chakra element."
Molding or nature manipulating. That is very correct. :) So, now that you know how to mold your water chakra, you need to learn how to shape manipulate it in order to create objects made of water. It's basically just an addition to what you already learned. Once you gather the necessary amount of molded water chakra, you picture an object and start shaping your chakra as you release it from your body. How about you try and spit a small water bullet? Aim it at the nearby tree.
 

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Molding or nature manipulating. That is very correct. :) So, now that you know how to mold your water chakra, you need to learn how to shape manipulate it in order to create objects made of water. It's basically just an addition to what you already learned. Once you gather the necessary amount of molded water chakra, you picture an object and start shaping your chakra as you release it from your body. How about you try and spit a small water bullet? Aim it at the nearby tree.
I start to mold some of my suiton chakra in my chest and concenterate on shape mainpulation..I picture a small water bullet and start to shape my chakra accourding to it..I then release it from my mouth on a nearby tree ,the small water bullet projectile inflicts some small damage in the tree.. :)

did I do it correctly sensei?? :)
 

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I start to mold some of my suiton chakra in my chest and concenterate on shape mainpulation..I picture a small water bullet and start to shape my chakra accourding to it..I then release it from my mouth on a nearby tree ,the small water bullet projectile inflicts some small damage in the tree.. :)

did I do it correctly sensei?? :)
Very good. Now, as you can see that bullet is also called a projectile because you shoot it away from yourself and you don't maintain it anymore. This means that once you shoot it you can start performing other techniques. This is what I like to call the 1st method: projectiles. There are also other methods. These methods serve the purpose of diving the techniques by similarity. Here is the description of the first method. What could you possible think of their advantages and disadvantages?

Method 1: Basic Projectiles

Alright these techniques involve creating projectiles like shuriken or kunai. Shuriken and Kunai are examples of projectiles and are not limited to that scope. When you hear and think of projectiles, you think of objects that you launch or project towards your opponent. They're something that leaves your possession and treavels towards your opponent. There is nothing different when it comes to suiton projectiles. All you're doing is launching water at your opponent as you would any other projectile. Now, with water and any other element that uses projectiles you tend to use a lot of shape manipulation. Reason is, is because you need to make the projectiles strong enough damage your opponent (pierce them, knock them back with blunt force, etc). Water or any other element at its base is just raw unformed element. By using shape manipulation you form the shape of the projectile you want. As well, you also compress the element to a degree which allows for a certain density which is always good. With these water projectiles, you will be exhaling them from the mouth. You will first inhale and focus the chakra from your core and channel it up into your lungs and mouth. You will then exhale; the chakra you gathered in your lungs helps propel the water, and the mouth is the point of release. You use shape manipulation to then form the water into whatever shape you need it to be, whether it be a ball or something more advanced like a shark. The water is also compressed in a tight container (the boundaries you create by shaping it) therefore when it makes impact with the target they'll generally receive a blunt impact that knocks them back, has the capability to knock the wind out of them, bruise them, maybe break bones or damage the organs and cause shock. Also, if fast enough and small enough, the density from the tightly compressed nature and the speed may be able to pierce like a bullet. Using other mediums of release for projectiles, you would simply channel your chakra into a different location and then follow the rest of the procedures of releasing the water, and shaping it for the desired effect.
 

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Basic Projectiles:

Advantages:
The main advantage of the projectile attack is that one can attack the opponent from long distance instead of going near them and attacking at close range. By doing so the user will have sufficient reaction time to counter the opponents jutsu and they will be invulnerable to Taijutsu attacks. The long range projectile attacks will also give the opponent the advantage of using combo jutsu's with efficiency. for example a short range raiton jutsu can be used in conjugation with a long range suiton jutsu to increase the efficiency and the damage effects of both the jutsus.

Disadvantage:
If the opponent is given sufficient reaction time.(long range projectile jutsu with less speed) the opponent can easily counter it or can easily dodge it. The accuracy of the jutsu may be affected sometimes. opponent may have time to take defensive measures.
 
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Basic Projectiles:

Advantages:
The main advantage of the projectile attack is that one can attack the opponent from long distance instead of going near them and attacking at close range. By doing so the user will have sufficient reaction time to counter the opponents jutsu and they will be invulnerable to Taijutsu attacks. The long range projectile attacks will also give the opponent the advantage of using combo jutsu's with efficiency. for example a short range raiton jutsu can be used in conjugation with a long range suiton jutsu to increase the efficiency and the damage effects of both the jutsus.

Disadvantage:
If the opponent is given sufficient reaction time.(long range projectile jutsu with less speed) the opponent can easily counter it or can easily dodge it. The accuracy of the jutsu may be affected sometimes. opponent may have time to take defensive measures.
Excellent, great thinking. :) Here's more.

Advantages to Method

Techniques in this category are quick releases, designed to attack in short to long range scenarios against big single targets, with normal movement speed. Just like projectiles, once they leave your hand it frees you up to attack again with more projectiles or even other types of techniques. Techniques in this category allow for you to launch several shots in succession in most cases allowing you to barrage your opponents from several different angles possibly or use them as a distraction or ploy to force them in directions that would be beneficial to you. Large enough projectiles will make it difficult for your opponents to avoid, but not impossible. There can be issues with visibility, allowing you to block your opponent's vision while you plot a sneak attack. However visibility aspect is a double edged sword in most cases. You won't necessarily be able to see them unless you have sensory abilities. These techniques are better used in closer distances to disable both the ability to dodge and counter but also to make full use of the speed of these projectiles. The closer you are, the less time they have to hit the opponent.

Disadvantages to Method

Though quick in release, once projectiles are released you have no control over them. It's generally the same in every case with projectile based weaponry minus attachments like wire that allow you control. However in the case of chakra based projectiles like these, after exhaling exit from the point of release there is no real control over the projectiles. The direction you've launched is where it will go and it could be very easy to avoid them with basic techniques that could move you out of the line of fire, like Earth Release Technique or the popular hurricane fist into the air. There is the problem of the rapid fire projectiles. As said previously, as you're allowed to fire multiple shots from certain techniques, yet they don't all have the power of that particular rank, their collective power combined = the rank of the technique as a whole. What this means is, as you divide the projectiles into several shots, they considerably get weaker allowing for your opponent to exploit the weakness. Some techniques may converge at a single point (usually the target) so that they may not be able to avoid harm by just attacking individual shots, there is still that possibility. Those who try to cover a wider range with more projectiles will leave themselves at a disadvantage. The opponent can protect just their frontal or the area of where they're attacking by using weaker attacks protect against individually weaker fireballs or fire projectiles. Another big disadvantage is this method is that these techniques aren't very prone to combos with other techniques, especially those of other elements. The projectiles are generally so compressed and dense that they explode on contact, preventing them from melting or heating earth that could be used in a combo with them. The sheer concept of a projectile makes it less prone to be comboed with wind or lightning as the projectiles would require insane precision to be comboed with a wind or lightning technique. Projectiles aren't also very usable with water for the same reason as earth as the projectiles would simply "rupture" and not deliver its effect due to the small time in contact with the combo technique. The main disadvantages are that projectiles are fast yes, but less versatile in combat and for the most part, easy to defend (Credit to Scorps).

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Nope. No question sensei and am clear of all the concepts, advantages and disadvantages of Basic Projectiles. :)
Alrighty then. Next method are streams. Once we finish all the methods I will ask you to sort every jutsu in the correct category. Depending on that you will have an insight on the advantages and disadvantages of the technique based solely on the description of the method it belongs to. Once again, advantages and disadvantages please.

Method 2: Streams/Water Sources

This method involves creating constant streams of water as well as creating water sources. What I mean is, the techniques in this method continuously releases water and/or creates such a large mass of water, it provides a suitable water source for you to use other Suiton techniques that do need a source of water. Now what this would mean is, you have to constantly fuel the techniques with your chakra in order to keep the on pour of water coming out or else you will not be able to create the streams or the large masses of water. These techniques don't generally require a large amount of shape manipulation. Some techniques do however most are just you creating a mass of water or stream of water where you would, therefore, simply pour your chakra into the technique and create an unfocused wave of water that travels towards your destination. These techniques also provide you with a wider and, potentially longer, range of reach to your opponents. There is also the granted advantage of control over the technique. As opposed to projectiles, where you release them and their self-sustaining nature takes over and there is no further control from the users, most of these techniques allow for you to manipulate in different general directions to allow you to hit your target even if they move out of the immediate range.
 

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Alrighty then. Next method are streams. Once we finish all the methods I will ask you to sort every jutsu in the correct category. Depending on that you will have an insight on the advantages and disadvantages of the technique based solely on the description of the method it belongs to. Once again, advantages and disadvantages please.

Method 2: Streams/Water Sources

This method involves creating constant streams of water as well as creating water sources. What I mean is, the techniques in this method continuously releases water and/or creates such a large mass of water, it provides a suitable water source for you to use other Suiton techniques that do need a source of water. Now what this would mean is, you have to constantly fuel the techniques with your chakra in order to keep the on pour of water coming out or else you will not be able to create the streams or the large masses of water. These techniques don't generally require a large amount of shape manipulation. Some techniques do however most are just you creating a mass of water or stream of water where you would, therefore, simply pour your chakra into the technique and create an unfocused wave of water that travels towards your destination. These techniques also provide you with a wider and, potentially longer, range of reach to your opponents. There is also the granted advantage of control over the technique. As opposed to projectiles, where you release them and their self-sustaining nature takes over and there is no further control from the users, most of these techniques allow for you to manipulate in different general directions to allow you to hit your target even if they move out of the immediate range.

Advantages:

Can be used to create water sources or constant steam of water that can be used for other suiton techniques that require water source to perform.
Since most of the stream techniques doesn't require shape manipulation and just require the useage od raw suiton chakra , compared to other techniques which require shape manipulation this can be done in a very fast and easier manner.
The large the amount of chakra used the stronger and larger the stream or unfocused wave of water produced
Stream techniques can also be used as long range techniques that has a large area of attack in comparison to the projectile techniques the have small area of attack.
Because of the large AoA this technique will be difficult to dodge than the projectile techniques which mainly concentrates on projectile attack.
another advantage is that the flow and speed can be controlled by the user unlike the projectile technique where after the release the technique is on it's own.

Disadvantages:

Since there is no shape manipulation involved in this method the damage done by this type will be small when compared to the damage done be the projectile methods.
another disadvantage is that we have to constantly fuel this technique with chakra as in order to keep the flow of water intact or else one cannot create a large stream of water.
Since this techniques requires constant supply of water to create large stream of water this method will also be a double edge sword. for example when the user creates a large stream of water , if the opponent quickly uses a raiton jutsu then it may easily affect the user as the user is in contact with the water and the water being a very strong conductor of electricity.
Another disadv can be stated a if the water created didnt affect the opponent eg. if he uses a earth style technique t o stop the flow of water then all the chakra used up in the technique will be rendered useless.
 

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Can be used to create water sources or constant steam of water that can be used for other suiton techniques that require water source to perform.
Since most of the stream techniques doesn't require shape manipulation and just require the useage od raw suiton chakra , compared to other techniques which require shape manipulation this can be done in a very fast and easier manner.
The large the amount of chakra used the stronger and larger the stream or unfocused wave of water produced
Stream techniques can also be used as long range techniques that has a large area of attack in comparison to the projectile techniques the have small area of attack.
Because of the large AoA this technique will be difficult to dodge than the projectile techniques which mainly concentrates on projectile attack.
another advantage is that the flow and speed can be controlled by the user unlike the projectile technique where after the release the technique is on it's own.

Disadvantages:

Since there is no shape manipulation involved in this method the damage done by this type will be small when compared to the damage done be the projectile methods.
another disadvantage is that we have to constantly fuel this technique with chakra as in order to keep the flow of water intact or else one cannot create a large stream of water.
Since this techniques requires constant supply of water to create large stream of water this method will also be a double edge sword. for example when the user creates a large stream of water , if the opponent quickly uses a raiton jutsu then it may easily affect the user as the user is in contact with the water and the water being a very strong conductor of electricity.
Another disadv can be stated a if the water created didnt affect the opponent eg. if he uses a earth style technique t o stop the flow of water then all the chakra used up in the technique will be rendered useless.
Brilliant. Absolutely amazing. Great thinking. Let me just add a bit more and a very very important disadvantage. Here is some more information that you're missing and what do you think would be the next method?

Advantages to Method

As stated, these techniques give one a greater range of control over the technique seeing as the user will be constantly pouring their chakra into a continuous stream. As the technique is being released it can change the original path you have and make it go other places in the event your opponent tries to avoid it or blocking it with an obstruction. Another major advantage is the fact that some of these techniques are capable of creating water sources. With a large enough technique from this method creating a water source it opens up several more techniques in the element that requires a water source. This, of course, only applies when there isn’t any water already available to you.

Disadvantages to Method

The biggest disadvantage to this method is that, like all streams, these techniques prevent you from using another technique while this technique is currently active. The reason is, these techniques require you to constantly fuel them with chakra and thereby drawing your focus into them for the duration of the technique. If somebody goes for a different angle which requires you to defend, you’ll likely have to end the technique pre-maturely.
 

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Yes, that's one big Disadvantage I missed. Thanks for mentioning it.
and I think the next method will be something like water vapour ?
Or something like manipulating the existing water.
 
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Yes, that's one big Disadvantage I missed. Thanks for mentioning it.
and I think the next method will be something like water vapour ?
Or something like manipulating the existing water.
Nah, it's manipulation of existing water techniques.

Method 3: Water Manipulation

Alright, so we've covered techniques that come from one's own body, creating projectiles, streams and even our own water sources. Now we're onto techniques that require the usage of an existing source of water. This method focuses on using water from a water source and manipulating it to form the techniques we want. When going about using these techniques, you expel the chakra from your body into the water source as opposed to the previous methods where you'd manifest the chakra itself into water. There are a few exceptions I believe, within this method, however most of these techniques require a water source in order for you to use them. Now, the properties of these techniques vary. There may be projectile type techniques or continuous techniques that require you to constantly focus chakra in order to use. In essence, these techniques may exhibit qualities of water techniques in previous methods but the unique thing about this method would be that you'd need a water source for these.

What do you think are the advantages and disadvantages?
 

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Nah, it's manipulation of existing water techniques.

Method 3: Water Manipulation

Alright, so we've covered techniques that come from one's own body, creating projectiles, streams and even our own water sources. Now we're onto techniques that require the usage of an existing source of water. This method focuses on using water from a water source and manipulating it to form the techniques we want. When going about using these techniques, you expel the chakra from your body into the water source as opposed to the previous methods where you'd manifest the chakra itself into water. There are a few exceptions I believe, within this method, however most of these techniques require a water source in order for you to use them. Now, the properties of these techniques vary. There may be projectile type techniques or continuous techniques that require you to constantly focus chakra in order to use. In essence, these techniques may exhibit qualities of water techniques in previous methods but the unique thing about this method would be that you'd need a water source for these.

What do you think are the advantages and disadvantages?

Advantage:
There are many Advantages to this method.
One doesn't need to use one's own chakra to make water,instead they may use their chakra to manipulate the water that is available outside.
By doing so the user is able to execute very powerful techniques that consume a very large amount of chakra for manipulation alone.
since the user only manipulate the existing water the user may either use it as a projectile or stream attack.
the performance and execution of the jutsu will be faster when compared to the other two methods.
This method is a very good method to follow up with combo's
When the stream method is performed it will be difficult for the user the dodge or protect himself for the incoming attack as he will be constantly chanelling his chakra to make water, i.e if the user stops water production for dodging then he may end without performing or half performed whereas it's not the case in a Manipulation technique where the user can easily user other jutsu's to protect himself from incoming attacks.

Disadvantages:
There are many Disadvantages to this method too.
One of the main Disadvantage can be said as, these methods Need's water source to be performed.
without water source the techniques cannot be performed.
this is one of the major disadvantage of this method.
without water source the user may have to first perform a stream method to produce enough water source and then use water manipulation techniques.
and also the availability of water resource also plays a major role.
Powerful suiton techniques will need a very large amount of water source to be available whereas the a few techniques will need only a smal amount of water source.
therefore no water source then no water manipulation techniques.
Another main disadvantage is the for this kind of water manipulation technique the user will need to be in contact with the water. so there are many chances that the user will be rendered vulnerable to the opponents lightning attack as we know that the water is a very good conductor of electricity. So the conclusion is the evethough this technique is more versatile for performing in the battle field it has many disadvantages such that only if the battlefield conditions are favourable or if the user is able to perform a stream tech for water resource then only this tech can be used.
 

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Advantage:
There are many Advantages to this method.
One doesn't need to use one's own chakra to make water,instead they may use their chakra to manipulate the water that is available outside.
By doing so the user is able to execute very powerful techniques that consume a very large amount of chakra for manipulation alone.
since the user only manipulate the existing water the user may either use it as a projectile or stream attack.
the performance and execution of the jutsu will be faster when compared to the other two methods.
This method is a very good method to follow up with combo's
When the stream method is performed it will be difficult for the user the dodge or protect himself for the incoming attack as he will be constantly chanelling his chakra to make water, i.e if the user stops water production for dodging then he may end without performing or half performed whereas it's not the case in a Manipulation technique where the user can easily user other jutsu's to protect himself from incoming attacks.

Disadvantages:
There are many Disadvantages to this method too.
One of the main Disadvantage can be said as, these methods Need's water source to be performed.
without water source the techniques cannot be performed.
this is one of the major disadvantage of this method.
without water source the user may have to first perform a stream method to produce enough water source and then use water manipulation techniques.
and also the availability of water resource also plays a major role.
Powerful suiton techniques will need a very large amount of water source to be available whereas the a few techniques will need only a smal amount of water source.
therefore no water source then no water manipulation techniques.
Another main disadvantage is the for this kind of water manipulation technique the user will need to be in contact with the water. so there are many chances that the user will be rendered vulnerable to the opponents lightning attack as we know that the water is a very good conductor of electricity. So the conclusion is the evethough this technique is more versatile for performing in the battle field it has many disadvantages such that only if the battlefield conditions are favourable or if the user is able to perform a stream tech for water resource then only this tech can be used.
True, but it's not always the case that you need to be in contact with the source. You can more often than not perform them from a safe distance and this is a very important and advantageous part for this method. We're almost done and as soon as we are, we're starting with the jutsu, finally. Any ideas for the next method?

Advantages of Method

The advantages of this method are very obvious. It allows you to use an already created water source to shape as you wish and to fit your needs. This also means that techniques as such allow you to manipulate the sources from a distance which provides some safety while the sources can be manipulated in close range from the opponent, cutting heavily on the travel time and adding more to the unpredictability and difficulty to avoid. This basically means that you can create a water source behind the opponent and then manipulate it into attacking him from his blind side. If you pull it quick enough and maybe with a decoy, he might find it hard to realize there's water forming behind him and being manipulated into his own doom.

Disadvantages of Method

The main disadvantage to this method is the fact that these techniques require a water source in order for you to use. Unlike the last method where you are capable of manifesting large masses of water out of nowhere and even creating a water source, these techniques require a medium that is outside your constant realm of access. In battles where you do not have the pre-existing source of water you become incapable of using these techniques or become forced to set yourself up with a technique that provides you a water source.
 

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True, but it's not always the case that you need to be in contact with the source. You can more often than not perform them from a safe distance and this is a very important and advantageous part for this method. We're almost done and as soon as we are, we're starting with the jutsu, finally. Any ideas for the next method?

Advantages of Method

The advantages of this method are very obvious. It allows you to use an already created water source to shape as you wish and to fit your needs. This also means that techniques as such allow you to manipulate the sources from a distance which provides some safety while the sources can be manipulated in close range from the opponent, cutting heavily on the travel time and adding more to the unpredictability and difficulty to avoid. This basically means that you can create a water source behind the opponent and then manipulate it into attacking him from his blind side. If you pull it quick enough and maybe with a decoy, he might find it hard to realize there's water forming behind him and being manipulated into his own doom.

Disadvantages of Method

The main disadvantage to this method is the fact that these techniques require a water source in order for you to use. Unlike the last method where you are capable of manifesting large masses of water out of nowhere and even creating a water source, these techniques require a medium that is outside your constant realm of access. In battles where you do not have the pre-existing source of water you become incapable of using these techniques or become forced to set yourself up with a technique that provides you a water source.

I got a big doubt in this thing you mentioned. So if it's true that the user need not be in contact with the water source and can perform the techniques by being in a safer distance , What is actually this safer distance? Is it like short range or mid range or just a few feets away from the water source? Or if the user and the opponent is at a long range and there is a huge water source behind opponent will it be possible for him to manipulate that water without using a clone?

And about the next ,method since all the basic about water is mention, is the other type of water like oil or foam?
 

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I got a big doubt in this thing you mentioned. So if it's true that the user need not be in contact with the water source and can perform the techniques by being in a safer distance , What is actually this safer distance? Is it like short range or mid range or just a few feets away from the water source? Or if the user and the opponent is at a long range and there is a huge water source behind opponent will it be possible for him to manipulate that water without using a clone?

And about the next ,method since all the basic about water is mention, is the other type of water like oil or foam?
Any distance actually. As long as you're away from the water source it can be called safe because the opponent can't directly attack you and has to defend while if you were close he could do both simultaneously; attack and defend. Why would you need a clone to manipulate it? You can manipulate it by yourself but the distance depends on the technique you're manipulating the source into. If there is a water source at long range from you and you want to form a water beast that has only mid range then you won't be able to because you can't reach so far while having the precise chakra control and shape manipulation.

Any more questions? I'm glad you ask. :)
 

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Any distance actually. As long as you're away from the water source it can be called safe because the opponent can't directly attack you and has to defend while if you were close he could do both simultaneously; attack and defend. Why would you need a clone to manipulate it? You can manipulate it by yourself but the distance depends on the technique you're manipulating the source into. If there is a water source at long range from you and you want to form a water beast that has only mid range then you won't be able to because you can't reach so far while having the precise chakra control and shape manipulation.

Any more questions? I'm glad you ask. :)

one more question. If the distance doesn't matter will the time matter? I mean like for example consider the following scenario.
Myself and my opponent are at a long distance and there is a huge water source behind him, I use a long range projectile technique and to dodge it the opponent uses the futon tech to jump up and fly back. now I wanna use a large stream tech which generally doesnt take that much time and doesn't require a lot of shape manipulation from behind him . Can I use it in quick succession after the water projectile so that there will be a element of surprise for him? I mean will the stream tech take some time than what usually it take's since I'm manipulating it from long range?
 

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one more question. If the distance doesn't matter will the time matter? I mean like for example consider the following scenario.
Myself and my opponent are at a long distance and there is a huge water source behind him, I use a long range projectile technique and to dodge it the opponent uses the futon tech to jump up and fly back. now I wanna use a large stream tech which generally doesnt take that much time and doesn't require a lot of shape manipulation from behind him . Can I use it in quick succession after the water projectile so that there will be a element of surprise for him? I mean will the stream tech take some time than what usually it take's since I'm manipulating it from long range?
But streams are performed from your own body, not from a water source. You want to use a water manipulating technique that falls under the method. Now, the time will obviously be much much shorter for the second technique as obviously the water is already there and all you need to do is shape manipulate it, so to answer your question; yes, you could perform it quick enough to be an element of surprise for him. The distance doesn't affect your time to start performing the technique but the distance in between the opponent and the source do matter. Less distance in between the opponent and the source means less time to reach him.
 

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OMG.! Water is soo awesome.! :x3: :x3: :T_T:
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Method 4: Alternative Releases (Water/Oil/Syrup)

This method will be easy. Basically these are techniques that create a different substance than the water, however, they still fall within the category of Suiton release. They are liquids that possess different properties than ordinary water, for example: Oil and syrup. Oil is a flammable substance, one wouldn't use this to combat fire but rather fuel it, and with syrup you create a much stickier viscosity of liquid that doesn't necessarily flow as fast as water but it gives a more adhesive property to it.

You know the drill. I'd like to hear your opinion on the advantages and disadvantages these techniques could have.
 

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Yes, it's my element of choice for a reason. :)

Method 4: Alternative Releases (Water/Oil/Syrup)

This method will be easy. Basically these are techniques that create a different substance than the water, however, they still fall within the category of Suiton release. They are liquids that possess different properties than ordinary water, for example: Oil and syrup. Oil is a flammable substance, one wouldn't use this to combat fire but rather fuel it, and with syrup you create a much stickier viscosity of liquid that doesn't necessarily flow as fast as water but it gives a more adhesive property to it.

You know the drill. I'd like to hear your opinion on the advantages and disadvantages these techniques could have.

Advantages:
There are many advantages to this technique. for example the oil is a very highly flamable substance. So, the answer is obvious more than direct combat this can be used as a combo beast. For example the technique oil flame bullet used by Jiraiya. Since oil is highly flamable it used in combo with the fire jutsu to drastically increase the damage caused by the oil techniques. The oil spreads out to a large area. So if a fire tech is used with a oil tech there is more propability that the fire jutsu will affect the opponent. Next is the Syrup. thought the syrup's are highly viscous in nature and doesn't flow fast, they can be used as a excellent medium to trap the enemy because of it's adhesive property. like how kakuzu was trapped by stick syrup. As soon as the enemy is trapped it will be difficult for the opponent to come out of the trap thereby giving us some time to perform powerful precision based jutsu on the opponent that requires the opponent to be paralysed or stationary in one place.

Disadvantages: There are many disadvantages to this method too. for example. the flow of oil/syrup is not as fast as water so if the opponent is aware of it he can easily dodge it. These can't be used directly in combat. using in conjugation with som other element only will improve the efficiency of the method. Oil can be considered as a double edge sword. since oil is highly flamable and mostly oil based techs will be stream type, when producing the oil for combat the opponent can take advantage of it and can use it against the user by using a fire tech against him. generally the combo's will need a clone to perform the other jutsu as if the user performs the jutsu concurrently , there will be a time lag between the jutsus and the opponent can take advantage of this. Regarding the syrup, If the opponent is aware that the user uses a syrup the opponent can nullify the adhesive properties of the syrup by focusing chakra in the part that will come in contact with the syrup.(eg. by focusing chakra in leg one can walk over the adhesive syrup.
 
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