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OK, Brolys here. Broly, I want you to give them a demonstration of Keigoku being offensively, then a supplementary.
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Well, an example of keigoku being used offensively would be move like force lightning
(Fōsurai ) - Force Lightning
Type: Offensive
Rank: B
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra: 20
Damage: 40
Description: The user, by using expert chakra control, moulds their Keigoku chakra before opening the portal. Through this method, the user creates a "pressure" of chakra behind the closed portal. Then, the user will open the portal within short range of themselves suddenly, letting the foul chakra explode out into the jutsu. The sudden appearance of such pressurized chakra creates a "flash" of chakra bright enough to momentarily blind dojutsu users and sensors (only if their dojutsu/sensor techniques are active). The Keigoku then shoots forward at the target shaped like lightning, causing pain and temporary incapacitation for one turn
Note: The "sensory/dojutsu blinding" effect lasts long enough for the lightning bolt to travel to mid-range and lasts only during said turn
Broly extends his right towards the group of people and opens a large portal containing pitch black darkness. The portal seemingly released a giant flash that blinds the group briefly as the keigoku passes through them.
You see, if you all weren't nekura, that would have hurt. Very badly.
Now a supplementary use would be something like this.
Broly lifts his hands upwards and creates a portal in front of him once more.
*Nekura Ichizoku Hijutsu: Zokugie ) - Nekura Clan Secret Technique: Unholy Conversion
Type: Supplementary
Rank: A
Range: Self
Chakra: 30 (+10 per turn)
Damage: N/A
Description:
Once the Nekura casts this technique, it generates a small portal in front of him. From then onwards, whenever he shoots out a technique from him or from in front of him, a little Keigoku goes from the portal into the technique ( i.e., if he uses a fireball, a sphere of Keigoku, tennis-ball sized hides inside the fireball, and attacks the opponent as well when the fire hits him, or even if the fire is blocked, it needs to be blocked as well ). However, it does not work when techniques are being cast that come from other directions ( such as spikes from under the opponent, or wind from the sky ) as the portal is not near them.
Since the amount of Keigoku used is small per technique, it only gives the opponent a headache and makes him lose concentration for a few seconds if it hits, however the effects stack- i.e, if the first time he loses conentration for two seconds, the next time his already weak mind loses focus for four, then six, and so on.
No Forbidden-rank Nekura techniques may be used while this is active.
Unlike the portal before, this portal will remain here and add keigoku to your techniques whenever they pass through. Like so
Broly puts his hands together and causes a water shark to burst out of the ground and through the portal en route to Souji. As the water goes through the portal it is easily seen that a small orb of keigoku is inside of it. Just a moment before hitting him, however, Broly releases control of the shark and Souji is splashed with water as Broly laughs.
Suiton: Suikōtoppa) – Water Release: Water Shark Breakthrough
Rank: C
Type: Attack
Range: short
Chakra cost 15
Damage points: 30
Description: The user will create a water shark to jump into the air and bolt towards the opponent, striking them.
Note: Requires a water source.
Note: Can only be used by Kisame Bios or bios that signed the Shark Contract
Now I'm sure you're all wondering, "Broly, how can I do this?? Why are you so glorious?" well I'll leave that to Chris since I don't really want to interact with you white cloaks anymore than I have to.
(Fōsurai ) - Force Lightning
Type: Offensive
Rank: B
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra: 20
Damage: 40
Description: The user, by using expert chakra control, moulds their Keigoku chakra before opening the portal. Through this method, the user creates a "pressure" of chakra behind the closed portal. Then, the user will open the portal within short range of themselves suddenly, letting the foul chakra explode out into the jutsu. The sudden appearance of such pressurized chakra creates a "flash" of chakra bright enough to momentarily blind dojutsu users and sensors (only if their dojutsu/sensor techniques are active). The Keigoku then shoots forward at the target shaped like lightning, causing pain and temporary incapacitation for one turn
Note: The "sensory/dojutsu blinding" effect lasts long enough for the lightning bolt to travel to mid-range and lasts only during said turn
Broly extends his right towards the group of people and opens a large portal containing pitch black darkness. The portal seemingly released a giant flash that blinds the group briefly as the keigoku passes through them.
You see, if you all weren't nekura, that would have hurt. Very badly.
Now a supplementary use would be something like this.
Broly lifts his hands upwards and creates a portal in front of him once more.
*Nekura Ichizoku Hijutsu: Zokugie ) - Nekura Clan Secret Technique: Unholy Conversion
Type: Supplementary
Rank: A
Range: Self
Chakra: 30 (+10 per turn)
Damage: N/A
Description:
Once the Nekura casts this technique, it generates a small portal in front of him. From then onwards, whenever he shoots out a technique from him or from in front of him, a little Keigoku goes from the portal into the technique ( i.e., if he uses a fireball, a sphere of Keigoku, tennis-ball sized hides inside the fireball, and attacks the opponent as well when the fire hits him, or even if the fire is blocked, it needs to be blocked as well ). However, it does not work when techniques are being cast that come from other directions ( such as spikes from under the opponent, or wind from the sky ) as the portal is not near them.
Since the amount of Keigoku used is small per technique, it only gives the opponent a headache and makes him lose concentration for a few seconds if it hits, however the effects stack- i.e, if the first time he loses conentration for two seconds, the next time his already weak mind loses focus for four, then six, and so on.
No Forbidden-rank Nekura techniques may be used while this is active.
Unlike the portal before, this portal will remain here and add keigoku to your techniques whenever they pass through. Like so
Broly puts his hands together and causes a water shark to burst out of the ground and through the portal en route to Souji. As the water goes through the portal it is easily seen that a small orb of keigoku is inside of it. Just a moment before hitting him, however, Broly releases control of the shark and Souji is splashed with water as Broly laughs.
Suiton: Suikōtoppa) – Water Release: Water Shark Breakthrough
Rank: C
Type: Attack
Range: short
Chakra cost 15
Damage points: 30
Description: The user will create a water shark to jump into the air and bolt towards the opponent, striking them.
Note: Requires a water source.
Note: Can only be used by Kisame Bios or bios that signed the Shark Contract
Now I'm sure you're all wondering, "Broly, how can I do this?? Why are you so glorious?" well I'll leave that to Chris since I don't really want to interact with you white cloaks anymore than I have to.
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Speaking of white cloaks, I have to give you all your Nekura cloaks.
*hands out black robes with white emblems on the back*
The emblems color signifies your rank in the clan, anyone wanna tell me what they know or heard about the cloaks so far?
*hands out black robes with white emblems on the back*
The emblems color signifies your rank in the clan, anyone wanna tell me what they know or heard about the cloaks so far?
-takes cloak and throws it over his shoulder-
The cloak is created from an unknown material which looks like regular cloth but, is actually quite strong and allows the user to deflect freeform (non-chakra enhanced) weapons. Is it true it can block freeform Taijutsu?
The cloak is created from an unknown material which looks like regular cloth but, is actually quite strong and allows the user to deflect freeform (non-chakra enhanced) weapons. Is it true it can block freeform Taijutsu?
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No, it cannot block freeform taijutsu. The impact from the attacks will still be felt.
Now, back to training. The first Keigoku jutsu Broly demonstrated is one of the more direct ones, aimed at causing quick damage. The latter is a supplementary attack, probably his favorite one, and aims to cause damage through augmenting your ninjutsu attacks. Keigoku can be used in multiple times, those are just two of the most basic ways.
Now, at this point, you probably already know what Keigoku is, or least have some inkling to what it is. The most basic definition to give is chakra from the Juubi that clan members call upon through the portals Broly just opened for us. Now, i dont want to hear that or even hear it in your words; i want to know what do you think it really is; there are theories that its Yang chakra added to juubi chakra, a theory that its Yin chakra, anoyher that its just advanced Ninjutsu and isnt on par with KG and other theories. I want to know what YOU think Keigoku is.b
Now, back to training. The first Keigoku jutsu Broly demonstrated is one of the more direct ones, aimed at causing quick damage. The latter is a supplementary attack, probably his favorite one, and aims to cause damage through augmenting your ninjutsu attacks. Keigoku can be used in multiple times, those are just two of the most basic ways.
Now, at this point, you probably already know what Keigoku is, or least have some inkling to what it is. The most basic definition to give is chakra from the Juubi that clan members call upon through the portals Broly just opened for us. Now, i dont want to hear that or even hear it in your words; i want to know what do you think it really is; there are theories that its Yang chakra added to juubi chakra, a theory that its Yin chakra, anoyher that its just advanced Ninjutsu and isnt on par with KG and other theories. I want to know what YOU think Keigoku is.b
Taking the Nekura Cloak, emblazoned with the white symbol of the Nekura Clan, the Morrigan puts it on and prepares for what comes next.
OOC: Nekura Cloak is simply a fancy piece of clothing that prevents one's death from the weakest objects in the RP. It would have been epic if it was more like a Chakra Cloak, but made from Keigoku, but I guess there's a limit to the clairvoyance associated with this Clan. xD
OOC: Nekura Cloak is simply a fancy piece of clothing that prevents one's death from the weakest objects in the RP. It would have been epic if it was more like a Chakra Cloak, but made from Keigoku, but I guess there's a limit to the clairvoyance associated with this Clan. xD
I wouldn't dare try and categorize Keigoku like it was a form of Yin or Yang Chakra, cause back when this Clan was Approved, Yin and Yang were concepts that were barely known about, or to be more specific, took a different form when compared to the current knowledge of Yin and Yang. Personally, and I said this in my clan app, I look at Keigoku and more or less see a type of "Physical Genjutsu". When you break it down, Keigoku passes through solid matter (the limit to how much it can pass through without affecting it is tied to one's Rank in the Clan), yet causes "physical" or real pain in the form of severe mental trauma, the likes of which can cause paralysis and even turn the unfortunate recipient of a Keigoku technique into a brain dead vegetable thanks to the overwhelming pain caused by Keigoku coming into contact with someone not from the Clan. High Ranking Genjutsu possess similar effects, though not as concentrated, especially when a Nekura's damage is increased by Ranking up in the Clan. The way the damage is inflicted, combined with the fact that it passes through solids leads me to the conclusion that the Nekura's Keigoku is more or less Physical Genjutsu, or to be more specific since Keigoku is "intangible", more like Genjutsu in a Ninjutsu form that can be utilized in ways similar to Ninjutsu, like the above example which is even named as though it were a Jutsu derived from the Lightning Element. That's what I personally think Keigoku is.Lord of Kaos said:
Considering what we learned from the manga, I would've said it was Natural Energy because the Juubi is just a mass of Natural Energy. To add further to this, we have seen the affects Natural Energy has on Jugo due to his body constantly amassing the energy. It makes him lose control of his mind and go on rampages, similar to the effects of being exposed to Keigoku but, the clan was created long before we learned that so I'm gonna say thats wrong.
I was always under the assumption that Keigoku was similar to the chakra used to create the Tailed Beast Ball, different ratios of Yin-Yang chakra mixed together to create a 'new' type of chakra. The reason for this is because when I used to read the clans submission, I vaguely remember that in the history, it said the Juubi used its strongest attacks in its battle with the So6P and its the lingering chakra from those jutsu which entered the mans body and burned the mark of the demon onto him. At the time the clan was created, we had already seen the Tail Beast Ball and I'm assuming that was what Emp had in mind when he created the clan.
I was always under the assumption that Keigoku was similar to the chakra used to create the Tailed Beast Ball, different ratios of Yin-Yang chakra mixed together to create a 'new' type of chakra. The reason for this is because when I used to read the clans submission, I vaguely remember that in the history, it said the Juubi used its strongest attacks in its battle with the So6P and its the lingering chakra from those jutsu which entered the mans body and burned the mark of the demon onto him. At the time the clan was created, we had already seen the Tail Beast Ball and I'm assuming that was what Emp had in mind when he created the clan.
*Souji gets splashed with water, eye twitching. Before he can lash out at Broly, sensei gives him his Nekura cloak. Like a kid in a candy store, he quickly forgets his humorously murderous intentions and grins as he puts the cloak on...*
^Yes! Thank you, based Juubi.
Impy's explanation is really out there and thinking beyond the box, and it makes sense too. I personally have a more orthodox view, similar to Lee's. Nekura cloaks block weapons that aren't chakra infused, so I'll definitely be trying to rush in and attempting to get myself stabbed by pointy kunais and swords for practice. I assume that's all it can block... does it strengthen upon ranking up in the clan itself, or does the head still have the same sacred immunity as us greenhorns? U_U
Back to Keigoku, I also think it's the Juubi's chakra as Natural Energy. The portals are a way of summoning the Energy from the beast's body in the moon. I like how it's all dark and broody and enhances your techniques, which is what's expected from it. In a way, I think each Nekura clan member is akin to Sora from the anime, a pseudo-jinchuuriki... or the Gold and Silver brothers if we're talking canon. We use the chakra of the Juubi without actually being its hosts, victims recipients of its power. We are its (Juubi's) extensions, using the chakra and twisting it to our needs.
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^Yes! Thank you, based Juubi.
Impy's explanation is really out there and thinking beyond the box, and it makes sense too. I personally have a more orthodox view, similar to Lee's. Nekura cloaks block weapons that aren't chakra infused, so I'll definitely be trying to rush in and attempting to get myself stabbed by pointy kunais and swords for practice. I assume that's all it can block... does it strengthen upon ranking up in the clan itself, or does the head still have the same sacred immunity as us greenhorns? U_U
Back to Keigoku, I also think it's the Juubi's chakra as Natural Energy. The portals are a way of summoning the Energy from the beast's body in the moon. I like how it's all dark and broody and enhances your techniques, which is what's expected from it. In a way, I think each Nekura clan member is akin to Sora from the anime, a pseudo-jinchuuriki... or the Gold and Silver brothers if we're talking canon. We use the chakra of the Juubi without actually being its hosts, victims recipients of its power. We are its (Juubi's) extensions, using the chakra and twisting it to our needs.
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read the whole daym CC history again, so Nekura literally translates to "Dark Natured" which I didn't really know until I googled it u_u
The abilities of the Nekura revolves around the summoning and advanced control of the Juubi's foul and corrupted chakra which is known by the Nekura as the keigoku, it twists the users mind corrupting it, this gives us the ability to reject all forgein chakra, so which means gejutsu's become ineffective against the Nekura clansman as well as medical ninjutsu (3 times harder was it?) as well as sage mode. The keigoku chakra is warped from the moon and summoned to Earth through a portal which enables the Nekura clansman to open a portal on the battlefield itself, anywhere on the field is possible. Opening a portal does not count as a move, also the nekura robes all able to block out swords, kunais, shurikens the robe is pretty much the same as a chainmail..that's all that I know.
The abilities of the Nekura revolves around the summoning and advanced control of the Juubi's foul and corrupted chakra which is known by the Nekura as the keigoku, it twists the users mind corrupting it, this gives us the ability to reject all forgein chakra, so which means gejutsu's become ineffective against the Nekura clansman as well as medical ninjutsu (3 times harder was it?) as well as sage mode. The keigoku chakra is warped from the moon and summoned to Earth through a portal which enables the Nekura clansman to open a portal on the battlefield itself, anywhere on the field is possible. Opening a portal does not count as a move, also the nekura robes all able to block out swords, kunais, shurikens the robe is pretty much the same as a chainmail..that's all that I know.
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I didn't ask for a summary of the clan lol. I asked what do you think Keigoku is.
And of course I knew that Broly. z.z
My bad, it was a quick read on my phone lmao
well then I pretty much agree with what lee said...different ratios between yin/yan chakra creating a new type, that's what I think keigoku is.
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Interesting idea, though one thing I should point out is that the mechanics of the clan are always evolving as the manga evolves; Keigoku in it's simplest form is Bijuu chakra, or more specifically, Juubi chakra. Initially, it was though that this chakra only existed as a legend and deity like entity that didn't exist anymore. We later learned that this is somewhat true, except now everyone has Juubi chakra ( more or less, anyway ) and that it is the true primordial source of chakra. I'll explain more below.
Nice, nice. Keigoku isn't treated as Natural Energy, however; it can be seen as a form of Bijuu chakra that has special intangibility abilities.
Yes, everyone's cloak holds the same level of power.
Pseudo Jinchuriki, I like that. More or less, it's something akin to that. Nice lol.
Well, the explanation that me and Dork created through a series of talks early last year is related to Yin and Yang but not directly. Below is an excert he wrote about Keigoku:
The portion in bold is something that that is very noteworthy and should be remembered; it forms the basis behind the Irish reasoning of the clans inner workings and the separation between Juubi Malleable Chakra ( or as we dubbed it, JMC ) and Keigoku. Now, adding on to that bold portion. Keigoku can indeed be viewed as an altered form of the JMC that is canon. As per definition, Keigoku is a space/time utilized chakra source, using it through summoning. A sort of "yin summoning" one could say, somewhat a mixture of Space/time with Yamanaka traits to put it loosely. Now,
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refers to the spiritual energy that governs the imagination and the ability to create things from nothingness. Utilizing this with our form of Juubi Chakra as well as space/time ninjutsu, we are able to create a gathering and manifestation of Juubi Chakra from nothing (or, in terms of the RP, the Juubi's vessel on the moon) that we "teleport" to the fields we are in battle in. Due to this utilization of Yin release along with it, it gains a spiritual aspect to it, one to allows it to affect matter on a spiritual level, which in turn is why it has a level of intangibility to it, being able to bypass through things with a spiritual part of them, i.e. sentience. Now, the canon chakra that the Juubi uses in the manga, and by extension that Madara, Obito and the Sage of 6 Paths uses, is similar yet different than our chakra, as Randy stated above. Both have destructive and corrosive properties and the easiest way to explain this would be to simply separate one as the Yin aspect of it and the other as the Yang aspect of it. While this can be seen as true, I believe it to be somewhat different. While Keigoku can be seen as the Yin natured Juubi Chakra, I think the properties of the JMC is inherently different. A key trait of the JMC is it's ability to affect both living and unliving matter, something it has shown in multiple instances. This chakra is also the same chakra used by the Sage to split the Juubi himself into 9 different beasts, using the Creation of All Things, implying that it is both a yin and yang based attack, furthering being implied when it was mentioned by Tobirama of being a yin and yang natured attack, hence why it was able to negate all ninjutsu. Now, if we accept this as being fundamentally correct, it leads to an issue: If we have a full yin and yang JMC source and derived from it comes the Yin based variant, then wherein lies the Yang variant? In all things there exist balance, more certainly when speaking of bijuu and the concept of yin and both yang. This train of thought leads me to view Sharingdork's original definition as both true and false. While it has the potential and can possibly be the Yang version of our Keigoku, JMC fits more so as the "perfect" chakra source, afflicting both spiritual and physical damage, hence why it is able to completely destroy edo summonings as it deteriorates both the spiritual and physical links that anchor those souls to our plane, which is the logic I based my own Nekura custom on. Now, this brings up a small issue of conflict as there can be two ways to view keigoku:
1. We accept Keigoku as a Yin natured variant of this, and JMC being the ultimate source, which we likely wouldn't reach due to missing the Yang variant and ponder more question on what would be the Yang variant. With this method, it leads us to question what exactly a Yang natured variant of Keigoku could encomporate, likely a form of jutsu disintegration maybe or physical bodily damage through contact, though not on a scale shown when Minato's body deteriorated from contact with the JMC.
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2. We accept Keigoku as a Yin natured variant of JMC while we view JMC as the Yang variant, although it is stated to be the utilization of both yin and yang, as well as Juubi chakra. We would view it as such to make our own explanations of Keigoku to be in simpler terms, though still incomplete using this method.
I myself am more inclined to view the first one as it seems the more likely and fits closer into the realm of the manga, though we shouldn't even have to worry about manga conceptions with anime conceptions as we are first and foremost a custom clan, meaning everything of our abilities should be custom and as such, canon related realizations shouldn't affect us but I digress..on to the concept of tangiblity.
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I had no idea the Nekura Clan were given such leniency in regards to their techniques and the clan itself. That's pretty cool to think that the Nekura have been allowed to evolve with the times, especially when you consider the amount of information now available on the Ten Tails, Yin and Yang Chakra's and more or less anything to do with the origins of Chakra or the Sage of the Six Paths himself.
That was a nice read, logical, but you're following wallie does make a bit more sense in regards to the JMC being Yin and Yang Chakra due to it completely negating both aspects of the Edo Tensei. Minato's arms were completely removed and destroyed, and never regenerated. If it only destroyed the physical aspect, that'd be like hitting it with any other form of offensive Ninjutsu or Taijutsu, ergo it would eventually regenerate regardless. It also broke the Edo Tensei's Spiritual link, removing part of Minato's soul (his arms) from this plane of existence, thus preventing the arms from regenerating via Edo Tensei.
I agree with you on the answer being the first one. I gave my reasoning above, which is similar to your own, how the JMC detached the Physical and Spiritual aspect of the Edo Tensei, thus implying it utilizes both. All in all, that was a great read, and certainly put my "It's Genjutsu in a Ninjutsu form" reasoning to shame...
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Not really leniency, but as the mechanics of the Juubi were learned more, certain aspects of the clan came to be treated differently; such as their immunity to Foreign chakra for one.
Wallie. @_@
I agree with you as well, the first option seems more likely than the second which leaves more questions than answers. I do have a question though, if Keigoku is purely spiritual energy (Yin) then it wouldn't have a physical aspect to it but, the clan jutsu Way of Binding Number Seventy Nine: Nine Sunlight Traps kinda proves otherwise. It is capable of binding your opponent which means it does possess some kind of physical effect. This leads to my question, is that proof that it does possess a bit of Physical Energy (Yang) or is the physical aspect just shape manipulation?
I agree with you as well, the first option seems more likely than the second which leaves more questions than answers. I do have a question though, if Keigoku is purely spiritual energy (Yin) then it wouldn't have a physical aspect to it but, the clan jutsu Way of Binding Number Seventy Nine: Nine Sunlight Traps kinda proves otherwise. It is capable of binding your opponent which means it does possess some kind of physical effect. This leads to my question, is that proof that it does possess a bit of Physical Energy (Yang) or is the physical aspect just shape manipulation?
(Bakudō no Shichijūkyū: Kuyō Shibari) - Way of Binding Number Seventy Nine: Nine Sunlight Traps
Type: Supplementary/Offensive
Rank: A
Range: Short-Long
Chakra: 30
Damage: 60
Description:
The user makes four handseals, causing eight small portals to emerge on all sides around the opponent, a metre away. Keigoku flows from these portals, before forming itself into a multitude of ropes, that seek to ensnare the target. If they are successful in capturing the target and immobilizing him, a ninth portal opens up a few inches in front of his torso, and completes the binding, restricting the opponent from all motion. If the opponent however, avoids being caught in the ropes from the first eight portals, nothing occurs. Upon being bound, the opponent takes 30 damage due to being in contact with Keigoku, and gets a searing headache that disrupts his concentration.
This technique may be used only thrice per battle.
No Nekura techniques above A-rank may be used during the same turn and the next turn.
Rank: A
Range: Short-Long
Chakra: 30
Damage: 60
Description:
The user makes four handseals, causing eight small portals to emerge on all sides around the opponent, a metre away. Keigoku flows from these portals, before forming itself into a multitude of ropes, that seek to ensnare the target. If they are successful in capturing the target and immobilizing him, a ninth portal opens up a few inches in front of his torso, and completes the binding, restricting the opponent from all motion. If the opponent however, avoids being caught in the ropes from the first eight portals, nothing occurs. Upon being bound, the opponent takes 30 damage due to being in contact with Keigoku, and gets a searing headache that disrupts his concentration.
This technique may be used only thrice per battle.
No Nekura techniques above A-rank may be used during the same turn and the next turn.
