One punch was not ripping off his armor and that's completely illogical to think so when it took multiple hits from 5G Lee in order to do so. Furthermore, what you're suggesting is absolutely false because Gai made it clear that Sasuke's hits would never penetrate Gaara's defense and Kakashi knew this, hence why he taught him Chidori to bypass it. You also haven't given me feats that suggests Neji can knock back Lee's hits merely with chakra and I see nothing that suggests he could.
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literally has the sand armor on gaara's face
cracking and falling off from single base punch
and yet im bein illogical for simply stating a fact , when its literally happening right in front of us? , when a
section of the sand armor is torn off/broken it falls to the ground leaving ntn but gaara's soft skin left at that section unless he fixes it by usin more , and one punch was able to breach a small section , another would stem better results and so on since its literally breaking and cracking off with each hit , exposing the soft flesh under it.
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Sasuke literally said he's gonna rip off his sand armor then proceeded to literally to do so using mere taijutsu.
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If gaara didn't use "Sand Dome" which is the only thing that forced sasuke to use "chidori" to bypass it , then gaaras sand armor would've been torn off due to sasuke constantly breaking it apart with his taijutsu and he'd run out of chakra due to its constant use as kangkuro noted , Chidori was only needed to bypass Sand dome not sand armor and thats a fact.
Also if we use logic sasuke could've also roasted Gaara in his Dome with Katon but thats irrelevant lol.
A Single hit from Gated Lee didn't do much better but
he did do better , only not to the point where one could say he'd easily tear through a wide thick and large volume of chakra with ease , Chakra which would be harder than gaara's thin layer of sand , Lee failed to completly tear through Gaara's Sand Armor with a Single hit and his strikes didn't do much better than Sasuke's even tho they were obviously faster along with lee clearly bein more powerful and landing more blows.
Based on the fact that Gaara's Armor can subsequently be broken by a single punch from Base Sasuke, resulting in that damaged piece falling off of gaara's face along with gated Lee's Physical performance , ntn really puts Gated Lees Physical at a level where a single punch from him would be that much stronger than a single punch from Sasuke to the point where he could punch through Gaara's Sand Dome for etc..
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We Know Gated Lee is physically stronger than Base Sasuke but how much? and feats suggest that he still isn't enough to punch through gaara's Shell of Sand Which Base Gai was able to casually disperse with a wave.
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Again ntn suggest that gated Lee is strong enough to punch through a LARGE Release of Chakra bein constantly expeled to cover a wider area than gaara's thin layer of sand.
It's not about Kaiten's rotation, but also the amount of chakra dispersed which is why Naruto's FRS leaves much larger craters than what he's capable of through a Rasengan because it contains more chakra. Your rebuttal for Hiashi's example isn't really a rebuttal at all because you missed the big picture and that's the fact that a larger crater was formed through his ability to use more chakra through Kaiten which means that the chakra released largely determines the size of the crater formed.
Hiashi expelled a large amount of chakra , spun , then left a crater matching the size of his chakra released , How does that correlate with my point that whenever the user spins the crater is present logically due to the rotating chakra grinding into the earth , so the lack of a crater obviously means no spinning.
Obviously the chakra released determines the size of the crater , but only after the user "
Spins" would that crater form on the ground.
Why were some deflected when the manga makes it clear that Neji releasing chakra merely stops attacks? Kidoumaru made it clear that Kaiten's rotation is what repels attacks and it's shown that Neji can barely deflect attacks through releasing chakra throughout his body, so since that's the case, the Kunai would've likely fallen within the same place they hit. Databook makes it clear that releasing a large amount of chakra is used to "catch blows from enemy attacks" while the rotational force of Kaiten repels them. Manga and Databook makes that clear, so the Kunai wouldn't have been repelled without Kaiten.
Again ,
deflection can happen merely by suddenly changing the course of the kunai/attack , this is pure logic , i
f a kunai was tossed at gaaras sand dome at great speeds then it would get deflected on impact right? , if not the plz tell me why not.
Kaiten's power only depends on the amount of chakra released and the rotational force of his Kaiten. Just because there were large gaps doesn't imply that the amount of chakra released or the rotational force was lower at all. If anything, it hints towards the idea that all of his chakra was focused on a smaller area. Regardless, there is no distinction made by the author, so I have no reason believing that it's any weaker than a normal Kaiten.
The users spin and how fast they're spinning also plays great importance as was the case with neji in the war arc when he failed to spin fast enough resulting in kaiten getting breached.
Yeah, I'm not seeing the basis that Neji's chakra released is comparable to Gaara's defensive sand armor which is actually comparable to armor. It's not thin by any means and is highly resistant, hence why Sasuke needed Chidori to bust through it. There's absolutely no reason why Lee wouldn't tear through Neji's Chakra unless you actually believe Neji's Chakra could only be busted by something comparable to Chidori which seems rather illogical.
Neji's chakra shield is wat stops the attack yet it cant be compared to armor? the manga literally states that gaaras armor is
a thin layer of sand.
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Sasuke needed Chidori for
Sand dome , which is much harder than
Sand Armor.
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Sand Armor was already falling off from getting hit by simple taijutsu which is why gaara resorted to Sand Dome in the first place.
I never said it would take somthing like chidori to pierce the Chakra Shield , Obviously it would cut through it easily , but would simultaneously cut through Gaara's
Sand armor much easier than it would
Chakra Shield which is the point im getting at , What makes Gated lee's hits so strong that it can easily cut through somthing harder and can offer more pound for pound protection than gaara's sand armor? , especially when its his speed that was hyped more than anything.
Sasuke literally broke off a section of the armor leaving gaara's soft flesh at that section exposed with just a couple punches , sasuke needed chidori to bust the much harder sand-dome and not sand armor which was already putting gaara in a bad position with sand dome bein his only option.
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Sasuke would've won even without using chidori if gaara didn't resort to sand dome unless ur gonna tell me wat would gaara have done when his armor was obviously broken by simple taijutsu?
No it wouldn't and I've already addressed this. Multiple of Naruto's punches would not penetrate through Gaara's Sand Armor and that goes against what the manga established.
If naruto punches a section of the armor , that section cracks and falls to the ground leaving gaara's flesh exposed , then naruto follows up with other punches at that same broken and exposed area , then its effectively penetrated at that point.
The manga established the fact that when gaar's armor break/rips off , it leaves gaps in the armor which can stem from a single punch and this was shown many times.
U make it seem like gaara's sand armor doesn't break off and fall to the ground exposing his flesh , and this can be done with base hits as shown many times.
I also don't really see the relevance of this because not only have you not proven that Lee's punch wouldn't penetrate through his chakra, but Gaara's Sand Armor would absorb the damage much like Neji's Chakra would and creating a wide space between Lee and Neji with merely chakra would not do anything seeing as how his chakra still isn't resilient enough to defend against Kidoumaru's daggers, evidenced by the fact that he could only alter its trajectory, barely:
Neji decided to omit
a small layer of chakra to simply alter a simple kunai's trajectory , not a
wide volume. He expeled
a larger volume in order to sense and shift the trajectory of a ultra fast arrow capable of bending large trees like they were made of gum just by flying near them due to the force and speed at which it was traveling.
The thing that makes a large release of
Chakra shield more resilient than a
small thin release is obiviously the quantity of chakra released at once.
Next ur goin to tell me that if neji expels a large volume of thick wide chakra , it would have the same results as neji expeling a small layer of chakra to simply divert a single kunai which is basically wat ur implying by even bringing up the small layer in the first place.
Honestly, you're going against the manga. Neji ditched releasing chakra throughout his body altogether and resorted to dodging all of Kidoumaru's projectiles one by one. If he could release chakra and defend against 5G Lee's attacks like you're implying, then doing so against Kidoumaru's daggers wouldn't be a problem, at all and yet it was. It's not a viable defense like you're suggesting it to be.
Neji choosing to dodge them has no baring on my points when we kno for a fact that he could've resorted to his chakra defense to deal with the kunai the same way he dealt with the first arrow kido shot and Constantly wasting chakra would also be a problem.
Naruto has healing feats, but my point was is that without Kurama's chakra providing him any sort of significant enhancement, he cannot heal damage quickly, especially not the collision between KN0 Naruto's attack and Neji's Kaiten in an instant. Since Neji was much worse off than Naruto was, then it's clear that he sustained more damage from the collision.
Naruto still had Kurama's chakra within him since it was used to refill he reserves fully.
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And no, the effects wouldn't be present. Kurama's chakra enveloping him was a visual representation of Kurama affecting Naruto's body. Because that cloak dissipated is a representation of Kurama no longer influencing his body significantly.
The mere fact that naruto should've sustained more damage and didn't backs up my point.
But as you said, Lee is amplifying his attacks greatly through chakra meaning the impact of each of his attacks is dictated by chakra which is much like Naruto's attack was against Neji, so him colliding with his chakra is irrelevant when both attacks are dictated by chakra. It'd be relevant if his chakra acted as a "shield", but that's clearly not the case because that only applied to his V1 Chakra Modes, not KN0.
Take a look at the bottom left panel and look carefully at the way the destruction under his feet is interlined with his chakra shield.
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But yea ill agree that its irrlevant.
This Kn0 Is obviously different than the red eyes version due to the chakra cloak , just with chakra alone KN0 red eyes was able to put out sasukes katon and now ur telling me a expanded chakra cloak that was tearing into the ground doesn't act as a shield because? just cause.
You missed the point. I'm saying his chakra didn't act as a shield, so him colliding with chakra is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. At least with Neji, colliding with his chakra was important because it acted as a defense from the opposition's attack whereas that isn't the case with Naruto.
Fair enough.
No, that wasn't even the takeaway from the statement at all. Forbidden Jutsu regardless of whether or not you actually win is pointless because it puts your life at risk. Even if Lee beat Gaara, it would've been pointless because his body would've been demolished afterwards. We can't correlate it to Neji because quite frankly, doing such a thing would mean we can apply it to every single person in the Chuunin Exams. Only applying it to Neji is being intellectually dishonest and quite frankly, there's enough seen in the fight that suggests that Neji couldn't beat him.
Obviously prelims neji couldn't beat him while the quote itself was just a fun toss in dialog that neji could've said to lee jus as a ending scene for our debate and ntn more.
