[VS] Neji vs Kimimaro

[DrProof]

Also, "irregardless" is not a word.

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[neosmith500]

This is horrendously ridiculous. I ask for scans proving that rotation's chakra gets stronger in full transition -> none are provided. Strictly talking about the chakra here. If rotation's chakra doesn't get stronger/the quality isn't boosted/refined as has been already said, then KN0 chakra that busted rotation is =/> rotation. It's just the simple lmfao.

I'm done w this though. Not turning this into a horrendous 20 page debate when its clear either of us isn't willing to agree with one another.

Manga says it works like a spinning top , spinning tops spin faster and longer based on how fast you spin them , just like a fan builds repelling power by spinning faster , so does the Spinning top/Rotation.

Yea ur done because nobody agrees with u including the manga and simple logic , so u can go on thinking ur rigght if u want but clearly my logic correlates with the Manga.

 

[Imperious]

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[DrProof]

Manga says it works like a spinning top , spinning tops spin faster and longer based on how fast you spin them , just like a fan builds repelling power by spinning faster , so does the Spinning top/Rotation.

Yea ur done because nobody agrees with u including the manga and simple logic , so u can go on thinking ur rigght if u want but clearly my logic correlates with the Manga.

Spinning doesn't effect the power of the chakra.

Chakra = basis of technique

Manga = doesn't state that spinning affects the CHAKRA, or JUTSU POWER.

KN0 = busted rotation

I couldn't careless if no one agrees with me lol, I'd still argue my point. But this is just a back and forth tbh. It's just best to agree to disagree here because. 1. You can't show me a manga panel saying the chakra gets stronger while rotating. That's all I'm literally asking lol. All Tenten stated was he moved his body like a spinning top. And that somehow gives you basis that his rotation gets stronger the faster it gets? How does chakra get stronger just by spinning fast? The strength of chakra is determined by two factors: quantity or quality.

No where does it state the quantity, or quality in rotation is changed depending on a completed, or uncompleted rotation. That's why I just can't argue this anymore, because its taking everything in my soul not to snap :lol

If you could just link me one panel, one scan that supports your cause, saying that the chakra, or technique gets stronger at completion I'd happily admit I'm wrong.

 

[Imperious]

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Spinning doesn't effect the power of the chakra.

Chakra = basis of technique

Manga = doesn't state that spinning affects the CHAKRA quality.

KN0 = busted rotation

-- Vous avez mal compris -- There is a different between power and strength (force). The potency of chakra =/= to the force that it generates. Regardless of the clashing of chakra, I believe it was the force of the rotation that allowed Neji to repel Naruto. Do you think that the rotation is just "solid" alone, like a semi-cylindrical shape that's only durable enough to endure outer-forces? No, the rotation is not stationary in the way that Gaara's sand is when forming a barrier, and constantly generates force with its very motion. ​

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[neosmith500]

Spinning doesn't effect the power of the chakra.

Again , the spinning affects how fast the Chakra revolves which affects its repelling power , just like a Fan/Spinning top..This should be enough for any logical person to concede especially when they cant even explain how Rotation works , while on the other hand the manga already told us how it works and any person with common sense knows how a fan or spinning top works , so yea i think this case is closed..

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[DrProof]

Again , the spinning effects how fast the Chakra revolves which effects its repelling power , just like Fan/top..This should be enough for any logical person to concede especially when they cant even explain how Rotation works , while on the other hand the manga already told us how it works and any person with common sense knows how a fan or spinning top works , so yea i think this case is closed..

My guy. I understand that spinning = repel. That I'm not arguing. I'm saying, now listen alright. That the spinning doesn't effect the chakra's power in general. That if KN0 chakra made contact with rotation, the two chakras would still cancel each other out as in canon. The ability to repel is granted by the spinning motion, yes. But the repelling properties doesn't make the rotation anymore powerful against a stronger chakra (KN0 chakra).

 

[neosmith500]

My guy. I understand that spinning = repel. That I'm not arguing. I'm saying, now listen alright. That the spinning doesn't effect the chakra's power in general. That if KN0 chakra made contact with rotation, the two chakras would still cancel each other out as in canon. The ability to repel is granted by the spinning motion, yes. But the repelling properties doesn't make the rotation anymore powerful against a stronger chakra (KN0 chakra).

And what u cant seem to understand is that Faster spinning Chakra would always hold more and longer repeling power than a much slower one since it works just like a.....

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KNO = Gimped Rotation so no reason why a stronger one would yield worse results rather than better , so yea u can go on passing ur notions as canon but it isn't.

 

[DrProof]

Clearly your wrong. Faster spinning Chakra would always hold more and longer repeling power than a much slower one since it works just like a.....

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KNO = Gimped Rotation so no reason why a stronger one would yield worse results rather than better , so yea u can go on passing ur notions as canon but it isn't.

Good lord, my guy. I'm talking about Neji in the CE vs KN0 Naruto. I'm talking about Neji's chakra when he used the rotation. I'm talking about the spinning doesn't increase the strength of the chakra. I'm talking about if KN0 chakra clashed with rotation completed, or not the same result would happen. I'm talking about Neji's potency doesn't change, it's the same in any version of rotation he uses.

Why is this so hard to grasp? I understand the faster he spins, the greater the repelling force, but what you're not understanding is that the chakra for the rotation doesn't change, it stays the same, because simply spinning cannot, and does not refine chakra.

 

[neosmith500]

Good lord, my guy. I'm talking about Neji in the CE vs KN0 Naruto. I'm talking about Neji's chakra when he used the rotation. I'm talking about the spinning doesn't increase the strength of the chakra. I'm talking about if KN0 chakra clashed with rotation completed, or not the same result would happen. I'm talking about Neji's potency doesn't change, it's the same in any version of rotation he uses.

Why is this so hard to grasp? I understand the faster he spins, the greater the repelling force, but what you're not understanding is that the chakra for the rotation doesn't change, it stays the same, because simply spinning cannot, and does not refine chakra.

Which is IRRELEVANT to my posts and the Bolds contradict each-other. Faster spin = greater repelling force but yet a late Rotation , with less repelling force = the one with greater spinning force and would stem the same exact results?? oh lordd..

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The repelling force is wats important here my guy. The spinning increases the strength of the reflective capability of the spinning chakra just like a spinning top , which in turns makes a stronger defense so no , just give it up...

 

[Imperious]

Everything is being very misconstrued. There is a different between power and strength (force). The potency (as in quality and latent power) of chakra =/= the force that it generates. Force is a strength or energy as an attribute of physical action or movement, and can be increased alongside mass and acceleration, as force = mass times acceleration. So it is quite apparent that the product of an increase in speed and mass[1] ([1]: most likely through increase of output) will result in an increase in force. With that being said, the strength of chakra isn't solely dependant on it's potency, but can also depend on it's mass and acceleration.​

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[Tyrance sasuke]

Spinning doesn't effect the power of the chakra.

Chakra = basis of technique

Manga = doesn't state that spinning affects the CHAKRA, or JUTSU POWER.

KN0 = busted rotation

I couldn't careless if no one agrees with me lol, I'd still argue my point. But this is just a back and forth tbh. It's just best to agree to disagree here because. 1. You can't show me a manga panel saying the chakra gets stronger while rotating. That's all I'm literally asking lol. All Tenten stated was he moved his body like a spinning top. And that somehow gives you basis that his rotation gets stronger the faster it gets? How does chakra get stronger just by spinning fast? The strength of chakra is determined by two factors: quantity or quality.

No where does it state the quantity, or quality in rotation is changed depending on a completed, or uncompleted rotation. That's why I just can't argue this anymore, because its taking everything in my soul not to snap :lol

If you could just link me one panel, one scan that supports your cause, saying that the chakra, or technique gets stronger at completion I'd happily admit I'm wrong.

Well you're wrong chakra does increase in power with shape manipulation as DB states and spinning it does increase it's force why the hell do you think kaiten is a taijutsu only passed around to the main branch here if it isnt any more powerful than all other jutsu of hyuuga? And I dont know if you remember this but kidomaru's webs are un-cuttable with swords as itachi states , but neji was able to destroy it , how ? Because neji can destroy chakra and lifeforce with his jutsus as he stated " This webs arent normal , they're spit mixed with chakra and its as if it has its own mind" which means kidomaru uses his life energy(sage mode can give life as seen with muki tensei and curse mark is sage mode) to strengthen the webs and neji destroyed it .
Kekkei genkais uses the life force of the individual and is breakable by neji's kaiten which is stronger than gaara's defense .
Neji with extremely high diff . If you didnt know kisame could survive double lariat but still got blown away by gentle fist ; its an exceptional feat.
All of us know that naruto's chakra has blended with kyuubi's chakra from his childhood , the only reason why he could push neji so far (Kyuubi is a spirit hence why its called "nine tail spirit fox") had it been any other guy ,he would utterly lose. Neji can destroy lifeforce and normal chakra but cant destroy spirit.
Kimimaro would give him extreme trouble but in the end he would destroy the bones as he already destroyed harder than steel webs of kimimaro .

 

[unknownvillain1254]

It's funny how all the uchina fan who know noning about the Hyuga are all through the thread

 

[BLAZE]

Kekkei genkais uses the life force of the individual

lmao
guys remember when sasuke's life force got drained from using sharingan;Neji's from using Byakugan;Mei's from using acid or Lava while haku's from using ice release

 

[Lord Tywin]

Lmfao

 

[unknownvillain1254]

Honestly. I don't think Rotation is deflecting this. The penetrative force is too great, and Rotation has never faced against something equal to, or greater than Kidomaru's V2 drill-arrows.

Traveled 100+ meters, continuing its penetrative force without slowing whatsoever. Just look at the damage.

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Neji had to focus his chakra to change the trajectory of the arrow, and then move, and still got tagged. Rotation is much different from the chakra shroud which coaxes the arrow instead of outright taking on solid properties, and attempting to physically deflect the object.

I think the drill-arrows would get through Rotation tbh.

That is a crazy statement because that chakra alone was able to change the trajectory from his back to his shoulder now imagine spinning hundreds of miles per hour

 

[BLAZE]

Spinning 100+ miles per hour

 

[unknownvillain1254]

U didn't address a thing i said about why the spin is important , and u still cant seem to get that i already proved my case over and over in correlation to my first post by attributing it to a spinning top/fan which clearly gets their power from velocity makin ur question about Chakra quailty moot since Rotation gets its repelling power from spinning fast not quality of Chakra. Yes quaily of Chakra does affect power but in Rotation's case the spin affects the core function of the jutsu.

-So again if we actually follow the manga like wat im doing and add a bit of ur logic , then Neji w/low quality Chakra and a delayed spin = KN0 w/high Quality Chakra since the two things tied on page , none was> the other so drop that now.

If this quality nonsense was even half way valid then KN0 would've busted straight through the incomplete Kaiten without getting repelled at all since by ur logic the QUALITY of KN0 would simply overpower Neji's without being challenged at all , which didn't happen since they Tied in canon.......

But now , somehow a perfectly timed Rotation with stronger repelling power somehow does worse than a hindered one which already tied with KN0? Yea no , that logic doesn't work , so if ur entire goal was to prove KN0 > pt.1 Gimped rotation then u have failed again since the Manga already showed us wat happend and it was an exact Tie , meaning KN0 = pt.1 Gimped rotation and anything else is fan-fiction unless u can show both not getting repelled in the exact same way.

-Facts i've proven which u need to address , Rotation works like a spinnin top in canon which means faster spin = more reflective power and duration as was shown in the War. So no , the power of the Rotation does not stay the same with a gimped spin and yea ENd of story since im seeing ntn but lies and wrong notions.

One of the smartest man on here who knows what he's talking about

 

[unknownvillain1254]

Ridiculous man. You're rambling on, and on when the point is. The chakra quality in rotation does not change, completed or not. It's the same chakra irregardless. And, no where in the manga, or databook does it STATE that the chakra placed in rotation gets stronger. It just doesn't, unless you can find me a panel, or panels saying this then just drop it, because you're wrong.

This is the main point, and all the other stuff your'e saying is irrelevant: the chakra in rotation doesn't change -> KN0 chakra overpowers rotation chakra -> KN0 chakra is superior to pt.1 Neji's rotation. It's just that simple.

You can argue up and down that the faster Neji gets, the stronger rotation gets, but that's not support by the manga. No where does it state that the chakra in rotation ups its quality. No where. I'm done if your next post isn't linking any type of canonical proof of your claim that rotation gets stronger full spin, especially when you already admitted that the quality of chakra doesn't change. Which was my point to begin with.

KN0 quality >/= chakra for rotation's quality = KN0 Chakra >/= rotation. It doesn't matter how you spin it, my main propose was that KN0 busted rotation. Equal, or superior, it doesn't matter to me, at the end of the day, KN0 chakra was all that it took.

Also. @ First bold: Yes. This is the entire purpose my argument, and that sole statement you just made is the most true you've spat this entire argument.

@ Second bold: So you're telling me that spinning somehow makes chakra stronger? Do you not realize how asinine that sounds? It doesn't work like that, nor is it supported in the manga, or DB. It's just a fanmade claim until I can see a panel or something supporting that nonsense.

U sir are a troll

 

[BLAZE]

it should be obvious spinning form of rotation will be stronger and better defence than chakra shroud
Rotation was easily blocking and repelling back the wooden stakes but when neji wasn't able to keep up top speed of his rotation he defence was breached [

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