(Negative Knight) Establishing why Sasori was one of the most OP Ninja (Debate)

[Ngylle]

what really makes you think that Sasori's weakspot, will escape from itachi's eyes.

a Dead Puppet with a concentrated chakra Core in one place, sending chakra to the other parts of the bodies to move.

The sharingan wont see the obvius weakspot of sasori? and wonder. it seems that itachi's inteligent has been downgraded, sasori's heart will escape to another puppet without the sharingan perceiving that action?.. oh boy.

For those that ways that itachi's amataresus needs big time they are all wrong, when itachi and kizame were escaping from jirayas's justus, he used amataresu very fast and the Flames burned the stomac fast. or do you believe that Itachi was trying to kill Sasuke?.

i like sasori and it is a nice thread with a few bad things like purposesly leaving must of itachi's arsernal like if the OP just borred of puting itachi's full arsenal.

Sharingan will see true sasori and see the concentrated chakra on the Core, once itachi's sees that sasori is a puppet. he will Aim for the Weakspot.

 

[King Of Pop]

itachis susano would give sasori a lot of problems. in his sussano he can take out sasoris 100 puppets(if the fight gets to this level). remember sasoris heart core is lyk his weakness if its stabbed then he dies. itachis sharingan would help him detect it .and he can create a strategy to take it out. yata mirror would sheild him from sasoris attacks. amaterasu would also come in handy lightin up sasoris puppets. this is how i feel itachi can defeat sasori but sasori still can defeat as you presented

 

[DeViliShChild]

Everything you just said is wrong, so I'm keeping this short, I don't really want to argue with such a fanboy like you.

1 & 2. Show me where it says he can dodge a jutsu with the speed and destructive power of a machine gun
3. Using amaterasu requires a lot of strain and causes a lot of stress to the body, he could barely catch Sasuke while sitting down, he can't do anything with that tech if he moves.
4.

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Repeatedly, Sasori has demonstrated to be a highly cunning ninja, able to handle situations with various traps and misdirection. He is also shown to be a highly analytical man, able to quickly determine his opponent's strengths and combat methods. Like his grandmother, Sasori has a great knowledge of the human body, as shown from his brainwashing technique and his mastery over creating different types of poisons. His unique poisons, that he laced nearly every weapon in his arsenal with, took effect instantly, and one such poison could kill the target after three days of suffering; according to Sakura, this poison is refined with heavy metals, which intrude the muscles and destroy healthy cells.[16] This poison was so complex that Sasori himself acknowledged that no one in Sunagakure could counter it and believed its complexity made it incurable altogether. However, to his surprise, Sakura came up with a successful antidote for the poison; Sasori even noted that creating the antidote requires extreme precision, with no room for failure, something difficult even for himself.

Note that his intelligence is 5, just like Itachi.

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5. Fanboy much?

Insults don't make your point any more valid.

1+2. Speed 5. Add sharingan and he can dodge.

3. Once again if Itachi uses it, he will use it proactively. Nothing he does is wasteful.

4. Yes hes smart, never said he wasn't. However, there are levels of intelligence above 5. Itachi's battle intelligence is second to almost none.

5. Hah, you yourself are a fanboy. You are even more extreme about your fanboyism then I am.

 

[BlkMagk]

Alright Knight
Another well made one.
Tho I have to say, I personally believe Itachi to be the victor here.
There's more than meets the eye about him and I believe he is the true definition of a shinobi.
He could've very well take some OP stuff to the grave with him.
He seems to have a way about himself that appears very omnipotent.
Sasori's a great ninja without a doubt, but I just have to say Itachi.

 

[Blaze Release]

Oh, how i hate you Anub xd

Alright when i get on tomorrow, i'll debate with you, Blaze and Prefotatine.

Forgive me but i only come when a pm gets sent to my email and i have to reply xd.
Anyway to continue on my previous post, shino used a Mushi Bunshin as a decoy to get behind kankuro and itachi is one of the skilled clone users in the series and he could achieve a similar feat shino did. May i also say that itachi's shurikenjutsu feats in unrivalled in the series and even kabuto acknolwedged this when he blocked the rinnwgan's shared vision.

What im trying to say is that, with sasori's heart visible, itachi should be able to throw multiple kunai's/shurikens to impale his heart. With his ability with kunai's/shurikens he can also possibly aim and cut off the chakra strings that is needed to control the puppets. One's sasori hiruko form is defeated he risks taking the L

 

[Lt Fresh]

Wow you invited me to see this thread and I am really amazed. I think its a great thread and I agree Sasori would win this fight.
-Through this you can also say that you can never create a perfect top 10 list b/c each ninja has a weakness that maybe a lesser can win(if you follow me)

 

[Tartarus]

Well I had a book report but, I know you're a friend of Icelerate, so your thread intrigued me.
While I do agree Sasori gets underrated, I think his performance of 100 puppets tends to get overrated against more powerful opponents, I think Iron Sand is a far deadlier weapon. Anyways I'll talk about how Itachi can counter Sasori's move-pool.

In General: Itachi's greatest defense will be his sharingan and speed. The sharingan will let Itachi be able to foresee any poisonous blade and react accordingly with his speed, which is 5/5 according to the DB. Also Itachi fast hand seal speed will help, since he can then quickly. counter while dodging.

Hiruko:

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Hiruko is seen to be slower and less powerful than Sasori's other forms, but if useful due to being very defensive and shields Sasori from harm. So how Itachi fight the defensive Hiruko?
Exploding shadow clones/crow clones
These will be useful both offensively and defensively. I doubt sasori has the best observation skills while being cooped inside of a puppet shell. These can be both used for misdirection and destroying Hiruko with explosions.
Fire Style
Itachi has very potent fire style that can probably destroy Hiruko, which is also presumable composed of at least some wood.

Itachi's fireball is seen to have enough force to scorch away the earth underneath it.

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Though this is speculation, he probably also has access to Fire Style: Great Dragon flame since sasuke and madara both have access to it as well. This move was hot enough to go straight through a stone/cement roof.

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Performance of 100 puppets

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To be honest, I really don't find this to be all that threatening in the face of Susanoo. Although it is costly in terms of chakra, Itachi won't really need to go final form to deal with the puppets.
The 2nd state would probably be sufficient due to it being able to access the yata mirror.

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The 2nd form can either a use yasaka beads or a sword to sweep through the puppets, as those attack can wipe out dozens of puppets in seconds, while the puppets can't really harm Susanoo. As long as Itachi saves enough chakra to do this at this point in the game, the 100 puppets aren't much of a threat.

I might cover Itachi's counter for Iron sand, but right now I'm busy but very good thread negative. I hope you liked my post .

 

[Negative Knight]

Thanks to everyone who commented and/or countered. I will reply to all of you tomorrow, once i'm in a state fit to think things through rationally.

Off Topic: We need a Negative Knight vs Blaze Release (Old Gen vs New One) xd

 

[Carlhens]

Itachi all da star

 

[KingHashirama]

Guy, Kakashi, and many other jounins smash him =D

 

[Destruction of Konoha]

While Sasori is incredibly powerful and under rated, he is also a bit naive. Itachi is much smarter, that I hope everyone can agree on. While Sasori is a very bad matchup against Itachi, I still do not know if he would be able to beat him, mainly because of susano'o. I seriously don't know how he would get past the yata mirror, let alone manage to dodge the tostuka blade repeatedly. I also think amaterasu is another problem for Sasori. While genjutsu is Itachi's strongest form of attack, he also has many other powerful techniques and is a very decent taijutsu fighter. So I really can't decide. It could go either way but most likely it goes to Itachi being far more intelligent than Sasori.

 

[DeViliShChild]

Thanks to everyone who commented and/or countered. I will reply to all of you tomorrow, once i'm in a state fit to think things through rationally.

Off Topic: We need a Negative Knight vs Blaze Release (Old Gen vs New One) xd

I second this statement

 

[xMadara]

Sasori is just a bad match up.

 

[TurrinB]

Sasori's very powerful, but I disagree on his ability to beat Itachi. Sharingan is perfect for finding Sasori's heart container and from there Amaterasu or Totsuka sword should finish him. Grant Sasori might stand a chance of scratching him with Iron Sand, but it's a small chance.

 

[Solo]

Sasori heart is weakspot. Itachi is a master when it comes to throwing shurikens. Obviously, His heart contains Chakra. He would see right through him. Itachi is a master when it comes to observing.

How Sasori Counters Susann'o: Susann'o, mainly the incomplete version both Sasuke and Itachi possess main weaknesses lie in the rib cage, the back and under the spectral being itself. From this, Sasori could easily manipulate any Iron Sand present on the terrain to his favour by either using it to ensnare Itachi catching him in an Iron Sand Prison or simply use the magnetic chakra to spike up suddenly and impale Itachi where he stands.

Chakra is the key word.


Sharingan sees chakra! Sakura, a none sharingan user, manage to dodge

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Without fatally getting hurt. Only a few scratches.... which was part of her plan. You're telling me, Itachi a master of the Sharingan wouldn't?



I will come back to this thread, I'm tired. Long day at school.

 

[juankimari]

As usual awesome thread with good points.My opinion is that Sasori was trolled really hard, Sakura+Chiyo should have never been able to take on such a powerful ninja.The thing is he is a bad match-up for Itachi, i don´t think he is better than Itachi just one of the worst match-ups you can find for him.

That being said, and after carefully reading about the ways in which he could beat Itachi i do agree Sasori would most likely come up on top in this particular fight. However Itachi is by no means defenseless against Sasori mainly because of his extreme adaptation ability against tough and dangerous situations, high intelligence,quick analisis of opponent´s battle capabilities and finally his Susano´s Totsuka+Yata combo.

It is a tough call and whoever wins in this fight woud do so with high difficulty.

 

[Solo]

A few more things before I leave.


Itachi can use Water Style... Suiton. Which would basically wash away the poison.


Also Amaterasu = Flames as hot as the sun.


Iron can be melted... so theoretically Amaterasu would melt the Iron Sand. Gaara sand blocked it... Idk. That's debatable.

 

[phantomlord22]

Itachi > Sasori

 

[WhistleBlower]

hmm, nice arugements you have put forward + reps for the effort!!
just by looking at it you can tell you spent alot of time on this aha

btw i did read it all but still say itachi > sasori because simply itachi is an uchiha elite with powerful doujutsu and that sasori is a normal shinobi without any special things except for his poisen + puppets...itachi could amaterasu them or kunai the puppets ( doesnt matter if there is too many, we've seen how good itachi is with his kunai ahaha), All of this whilst keeping Susanoo activated with Yata Mirror and then finish sasori off together by putting him into a genjutsu with one finger ( i can't remember the name of the jutsu) and then with a clone using fire style attack sasori or even use susanoo to annihilate sasori.

thanks for your time !!, btw im not itachi fan, just an uchiha fan

 

[Thoth]

A few more things before I leave.


Itachi can use Water Style... Suiton. Which would basically wash away the poison.


Also Amaterasu = Flames as hot as the sun.


Iron can be melted... so theoretically Amaterasu would melt the Iron Sand. Gaara sand blocked it... Idk. That's debatable.

We've seen Itachi using Water Release jutsus only onece or twice, and that was with a water source. So, we can assume that he's not that skilled in water release. Plus, Sasori would made water poisonus, because he used water techiwues when using himself and he's stated that everything that comes from him is poisonus.

Iron Sand -> regular Sand. Which means that Iron Sand is a perfect defense against Amaterasu.