(Negative Knight) Establishing why Sasori was one of the most OP Ninja (Debate)

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1 yes he can keep up.
2. He can dodge it.

3. I have read it, and i obviously disagree or I would not have brought it up. Do you actually think Itachi would stand there defenseless? He never does anything that would put him in dangers way with no way out.

4. I audibly laughed at that. That is absolutely ridiculous that you think that Sasori is anywhere near Itachi's intelligence. I havn't seen any manga in reference to Sasori's above level of intelligence. So no.

5. That was stated to show that Itachi can make something as ridiculous as that and find a way to make it work.
Everything you just said is wrong, so I'm keeping this short, I don't really want to argue with such a fanboy like you.

1 & 2. Show me where it says he can dodge a jutsu with the speed and destructive power of a machine gun
3. Using amaterasu requires a lot of strain and causes a lot of stress to the body, he could barely catch Sasuke while sitting down, he can't do anything with that tech if he moves.
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Repeatedly, Sasori has demonstrated to be a highly cunning ninja, able to handle situations with various traps and misdirection. He is also shown to be a highly analytical man, able to quickly determine his opponent's strengths and combat methods. Like his grandmother, Sasori has a great knowledge of the human body, as shown from his brainwashing technique and his mastery over creating different types of poisons. His unique poisons, that he laced nearly every weapon in his arsenal with, took effect instantly, and one such poison could kill the target after three days of suffering; according to Sakura, this poison is refined with heavy metals, which intrude the muscles and destroy healthy cells.[16] This poison was so complex that Sasori himself acknowledged that no one in Sunagakure could counter it and believed its complexity made it incurable altogether. However, to his surprise, Sakura came up with a successful antidote for the poison; Sasori even noted that creating the antidote requires extreme precision, with no room for failure, something difficult even for himself.

Note that his intelligence is 5, just like Itachi.

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5. Fanboy much?
 

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Again you're assuming that no scientfic principal can hold any basis in Naruto due to slight inconsistencies in the plot.

I could make multiple rhetoric question to counter your points, but they would be to no avail. If we think in an empiricist view, then nothing holds any basis in the NU.

Science holds a small basis in Naruto, the workings of Genjutsu would be non-existent without it. It by definition affects the cerebrum and uses eyes (biological ones) as a medium to cast a Genjutsu.

Ignore the scientific point i made about Sasori's core, the fundamental principle is there is no medium to affect him through, disrupting chakra flow in a non-existent organ cannot take place and etc.

Its like trying to use the Jashin Ritual on Sasori's Puppet Body. If there is no medium (the blood) then there is no desired effect.

The necessary flaw which exists in your argument is, the complete disregard for scientific principals. If your logic were to be directly applied to everything else, then drowning no longer seems to be a threat, extreme heats seemingly have no effect on the body, blinding lights don't affect optical lobes and deafening roars don't cause pain to the ears.

On several separate occasions, each of the points i raised above hold basis in the Naruto Verse. While i agree NU is not a replica of reality, it is based on our fundamental principles but with the inclusion of chakra and such.
I am not disregarding all implementation of scientific principles. I am only disregarding an exhaustive application of it, which (we are both agree upon), is nonsense. After all, the Naruto Universe is not our universe. But that alone should breed skepticism. When someone uses principles based off of our world and applies it to a completely different world, there will be some things that simply don't add up.

I think, when it comes down to it, we simply need to suspend disbelief and acknowledge that, the very tools (science) we use to prove our debates are the very same tools that deconstruct them.

This is not your fault, this is the writer's fault. Ultimately, you are trying to make sense of a world that cannot make sense. On the one hand, I'm am being too literal (I am applying science way too exhaustively). On the other hand, you are applying double standard (by choosing which scientific principles to apply and which not to).

I think we should just drop this scientific debate altogether. I still do not concede that Sasori is immune to genjutsu (for the reasons you provided. I'm willing to suspend disbelief and say, yes, by some reason, it is possible that Sasori is immune), but I acknowledge the validity of your arguments in the face of scientific inconsistencies that are not your fault, but simply the flaw of a created and make-believe universe.

Feel free to respond. I am going to leave it at that.
 
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Genjutsu is out of the question as it requires eye contact and by base Sasori is not such a close range fighter.
It happens when a ninja (Itachi) extends their chakra flow on the opponent's chakra system. But given, it would be kind of impossible for Itachi to do that with Sasori.

Plus, the trick here is that it plays with the perception of the five senses managed by the brain. However, Sasori's brain doesnt exist.
If you may ask why does he see/hears whatever; he does that based on the chakra. Aren't his puppets supposed to keep the abilities of a live human? Well, the simple seeing and hearing and anything like that is a base ability, disconsidering the Kekke Genkai abilities. It's all done via Human Puppet technique.

I don't know if this sounds clearing, but hope you got the idea.
 

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Interesting thread. I actually gave not much attention to Sasori before, though I knew he was a powerful shinobi. But yes, him being a puppet renders him immune against genjutsu and Itachi heavily relies on that, with him being an Uchiha.
Itachi would have to encase himself in Susanno' and then somehow be able to hit Sasori's core with the Amaterasu to be able to win. Sasori's fighting style is both offensive and defensive at the same time, which would make it really difficult for Itachi to land a blow that would make him win the fight.
With Sasori not feeling pain, he would have to destroy the core and thus the whole body ...

This is the first time I'm really not sure who would win ^^;
 

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This is the first time I'm really not sure who would win ^^;
I tend to have that effect on people ;)

I am not disregarding all implementation of scientific principles. I am only disregarding an exhaustive application of it, which (we are both agree upon), is nonsense. After all, the Naruto Universe is not our universe. But that alone should breed skepticism. When someone uses principles based off of our world and applies it to a completely different world, there will be some things that simply don't add up.

I think, when it comes down to it, we simply need to suspend disbelief and acknowledge that, the very tools (science) we use to prove our debates are the very same tools that deconstruct them.

This is not your fault, this is the writer's fault. Ultimately, you are trying to make sense of a world that cannot make sense. On the one hand, I'm am being too literal (I am applying science way too exhaustively). On the other hand, you are applying double standard (by choosing which scientific principles to apply and which not to).

I think we should just drop this scientific debate altogether. I still do not concede that Sasori is immune to genjutsu (for the reasons you provided. I'm willing to suspend disbelief and say, yes, by some reason, it is possible that Sasori is immune), but I acknowledge the validity of your arguments in the face of scientific inconsistencies that are not your fault, but simply the flaw of a created and make-believe universe.

Feel free to respond. I am going to leave it at that.
With that we clear up this scientific debate. You're points were very enlightening and i actually smiled when you went on to double standards xd. I know my original thread seems scientifically biased but in all honest if something can have even a shred of scientific basis in the Narutoverse then i apply it. I'm probably instilled in this mindset due to the technicalities of a mental attack such as Genjutsu.

Even without scientific principle, at face value i've always believed Sasori's immunity to Genjutsu. Possibly my attempt for people to see reasoning behind this wasn't clear.

I thank you for this debate, i haven't been in a philosophical discussion for a while, even though this was a short one
 

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Awesome thread, like expected.
It took me a while to read it. >.>
And your facts and arguments are straight and good.
You put a large ammount of effort in it and that makes a theard even more great. ;)

I think Itachi would win this but with gret, great exertion. That's because Itachi is not that good in taijutsu and you just need to have skills in it to fight Sasori's Third kazekage puppet. But, i think Susano would eventually overpower Sasori's 100 puppets but again with big effort to put in it.

Sasori is extremly underrated and I hate that. Laddy's just gotten lucky. Plus, they very almost a perfect weapon against Sasori.
 
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woah, this is a pretty awesome thread. Every argument was really well founded.

You have compelling reasons as to why Sasori would win. You've almost made me scared of him.

Sasori really is one of Itachi's worst matchups, especially if his genjutsu is off the cards.

But, Itachi is highly intelligent, and could find counter strategies to most of Sasori's techniques
I think it would be a matter of Itachi using his techniques more effectively

Anyway, I think this is neck and neck, but I still think Itachi would win.

And if you really want, I could write a longer response fully detailing why I think Itachi could take this.
I have several strategies that Itachi could use.
I would love to hear your counters, after all this is a debate thread xd
 

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Nice Thread... I love all the Akatsuki threads you've made that I've seen... So many characters have cool powers yet are overlooked like Sasori, Kakuzu, Zetsu, Muu, and so many others in Naruto because they aren't in the spotlight long.

The Itachi Susanoo is hard to beat... the real thing Sasori would have to do is what all puppet masters are good at, decoys... His 4 Main attacks styles are Hiruko, 3rd Kazekage, Himself, 100 Puppets.

Now Itachi nows how powerful Sasori is (not exactly just that he's strong) but he still wouldn't go all out at first... he didn't know Sasori's real face or about his body so he would first try Genjutsu on the Hiruko puppet then when that failed move onto clones and Fire style... Itachi would probably finish Hiruko with a well placed fire style or Amaterasu, once he saw that all of Sasori's Chakra was coming from inside the puppet and there was no chakra network in the puppet.

Then We have Itachi vs real Sasori at this point Itachi would start using Amaterasu to try and hit Sasori's real body... Sasori wouldn't yet use the Third Kazekage, he only used the 3rd early because he was fighting an experienced puppet master, the 3rd is his favorite and most powerful puppet aside from himself so he'd more likely begin to attack Itachi with his own weaponry. Now in the Anime Sasori had a water style mechanism but not in the Manga... let's say in all fairness he doesn't... Now Amaterasu is going to be less of a problem for Sasori then for other people because he can detach different parts of his body, but Itachi can see chakra so he knows Sasori's weak point so he'll be aiming for the chest but that doesn't mean Sasori won't block it with another part of his body.

Eventually Itachi will use Amaterasu more and more and Sasori will see the difficulty in fighting against it and pull out his hundred puppets... once Itachi sees the hundred puppets he'll stop the Amaterasu and begin fending them off with standard fire style which he can use more steadily and with less chakra than Amaterasu. After a short amount of time Itachi will bring out Susanoo and take out scores of the puppets very quickly.

When Itachi has killed off the majority of the puppets (after 3 or 4 swings of the totsuka blade) he'll target Sasori... This is where Sasori will pull out the 3rd Kazekage as it has the only ability to possibly defend against the Totsuka blade... The blade is the ultimate in sealing but not in destruction so it can be blocked so long as what you're blocking with is stronger than it's attack and isn't destroyed.

Now Susanoo fire isn't as hot or as destructive as Amaterasu (I know there is some speculation at their relation but if they were the same in chakra composition it would have been more evident to the point at which their couldn't be controversy over it, so there is some division between the two and Susanoo isn't Black and doesn't destroy everything, except maybe perfect Susanoo but that's not what we're talking about) so it will likely not disrupt the magnetic bonds between the iron sand so at this point the name of the game is endurance...

We've seen that while Itachi is Sick he has the Chakra to hold full Susanoo for more than a few minutes (more than 5 less than 10) at full power with no sickness he could probably hold that state a lot longer lets say tops 20 minutes of constant use of full Susanoo and at this point he'll have noticed that Susanoo's attacks aren't working effective enough and probably try switching between Totsuka blade and Amaterasu (God that's a hellish combo)... While Sasori will be fending him off he will have realized his attacks are useless against the Yata Mirror and begun trying alternate attack patterns eventually resourcing to Iron sand: World method.

Unharmed from the attack Itachi shielded by the Yata Mirror will be fine but will be trapped with his Susanoo within the space the Susanoo takes up in a cage like area made of Iron sand... he'll trying to shoot Sasori with Amaterasu but won't have not enough room to swing the Totska blade, the rest of the Iron sand that was supposed to target the area withing the Susanoo will be left over covering the surface of it like nearly unbreakable netting... with Sasori and the 3rd Kazekage puppet waiting for his chakra to run out.

My real Argument is that Sasori has a counter for everything Itachi has in general and vice versa except Itachi only has one truly defensive ability, the Yata Mirror, and that requires him to use Susanoo... Susanoo is not as hot or destructive as Amaterasu and probably isn't hot enough to disrupt the chakra enforced magnetic bonds of the Iron Sand. If Sasori Trapped the Susanoo using Iron Sand World Method Itachi would be unable to move because... if he let down Susanoo and Yata Mirror to move between the Iron Sand and get to Sasori, the 3rd Kazekage puppet would strike him down... if he moved with the Susanoo since it is a spectral being and maybe can move its form through or around objects, he would have to let the Iron sand inside the Susanoo past the Yata Mirror with nothing to stop Sasori to change its form and attack him.

Itachi's only option is to stand, use the Yata mirror as a 360 degree barrier and try and hit Sasori with Amaterasu or disrupting the Iron Sand with it, the Totsuka blade has become basically useless since it cannot get through the Iron Sand, unless Itachi melted the Iron sand in between him and Sasori, but using Amaterasu to disrupt the magnetic bonds between that much iron sand plus using full pwer Susanoo and fending off any of Sasori's attacks with the 3rd Kazekage would take up too much chakra at this point and he would most likely run out... All Sasori has to do is wait for Itachi to run out of Chakra holding up Susanoo and firing Amaterasu if he chooses to do so and then when he runs out, strike him down.
 
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Nice thread..... I'll have to read it fully....
Right off the bat, I would assume that Itachi would win, just because of his visual prowess. However, Sasori has the 3rd kazekage at his disposal and I think Itachi would have a hard time countering that... Genjutsu would work in the beginning on Sasori, but the Tsukuyomi wouldn't be effective on Sasori.... The only genjutsu that Itachi would use after this would be the crows.

Next: susanno and amaterasu would be devastating to Sasori. Even with all of his puppets, I think that the Susanno would be able to take them all down...

I agree with Thoth. Itachi would win, but it would take extreme effort on his part.
This would be a fight I would love to see!!!
 

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First you have to get Itachi to be serious, that is him not using genjitsu. I really don't see any way for Mr. puppet to break out of it (unless being a puppet makes him immune to genjitsu)

After that, it's a matter of if Itachi can defend against some of the fastest attacks ever, which is easily a yes. If he could summon Sussano while being hit by a bolt of lighting in 1/1000th of a second I think that he can definitely throw it up vs Sasori's water pressure tech.

So can poison seep past Sussano? I doubt it and even if it could Itachi could probably kill him faster or use an amaterasu to destroy him.
 

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Sasori wins against regular (unhealthy) Itachi because his mobility isnt as fluent as shown in the link.



A healthy Itachi on the other hand ...
 

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Nice Thread... I love all the Akatsuki threads you've made that I've seen... So many characters have cool powers yet are overlooked like Sasori, Kakuzu, Zetsu, Muu, and so many others in Naruto because they aren't in the spotlight long.

The Itachi Susanoo is hard to beat... the real thing Sasori would have to do is what all puppet masters are good at, decoys... His 4 Main attacks styles are Hiruko, 3rd Kazekage, Himself, 100 Puppets.

Now Itachi nows how powerful Sasori is (not exactly just that he's strong) but he still wouldn't go all out at first... he didn't know Sasori's real face or about his body so he would first try Genjutsu on the Hiruko puppet then when that failed move onto clones and Fire style... Itachi would probably finish Hiruko with a well placed fire style or Amaterasu, once he saw that all of Sasori's Chakra was coming from inside the puppet and there was no chakra network in the puppet.

Then We have Itachi vs real Sasori at this point Itachi would start using Amaterasu to try and hit Sasori's real body... Sasori wouldn't yet use the Third Kazekage, he only used the 3rd early because he was fighting an experienced puppet master, the 3rd is his favorite and most powerful puppet aside from himself so he'd more likely begin to attack Itachi with his own weaponry. Now in the Anime Sasori had a water style mechanism but not in the Manga... let's say in all fairness he doesn't... Now Amaterasu is going to be less of a problem for Sasori then for other people because he can detach different parts of his body, but Itachi can see chakra so he knows Sasori's weak point so he'll be aiming for the chest but that doesn't mean Sasori won't block it with another part of his body.

Eventually Itachi will use Amaterasu more and more and Sasori will see the difficulty in fighting against it and pull out his hundred puppets... once Itachi sees the hundred puppets he'll stop the Amaterasu and begin fending them off with standard fire style which he can use more steadily and with less chakra than Amaterasu. After a short amount of time Itachi will bring out Susanoo and take out scores of the puppets very quickly.

When Itachi has killed off the majority of the puppets (after 3 or 4 swings of the totsuka blade) he'll target Sasori... This is where Sasori will pull out the 3rd Kazekage as it has the only ability to possibly defend against the Totsuka blade... The blade is the ultimate in sealing but not in destruction so it can be blocked so long as what you're blocking with is stronger than it's attack and isn't destroyed.

Now Susanoo fire isn't as hot or as destructive as Amaterasu (I know there is some speculation at their relation but if they were the same in chakra composition it would have been more evident to the point at which their couldn't be controversy over it, so there is some division between the two and Susanoo isn't Black and doesn't destroy everything, except maybe perfect Susanoo but that's not what we're talking about) so it will likely not disrupt the magnetic bonds between the iron sand so at this point the name of the game is endurance...

We've seen that while Itachi is Sick he has the Chakra to hold full Susanoo for more than a few minutes (more than 5 less than 10) at full power with no sickness he could probably hold that state a lot longer lets say tops 20 minutes of constant use of full Susanoo and at this point he'll have noticed that Susanoo's attacks aren't working effective enough and probably try switching between Totsuka blade and Amaterasu (God that's a hellish combo)... While Sasori will be fending him off he will have realized his attacks are useless against the Yata Mirror and begun trying alternate attack patterns eventually resourcing to Iron sand: World method.

Unharmed from the attack Itachi shielded by the Yata Mirror will be fine but will be trapped with his Susanoo within the space the Susanoo takes up in a cage like area made of Iron sand... he'll trying to shoot Sasori with Amaterasu but won't have not enough room to swing the Totska blade, the rest of the Iron sand that was supposed to target the area withing the Susanoo will be left over covering the surface of it like nearly unbreakable netting... with Sasori and the 3rd Kazekage puppet waiting for his chakra to run out.

My real Argument is that Sasori has a counter for everything Itachi has in general and vice versa except Itachi only has one truly defensive ability, the Yata Mirror, and that requires him to use Susanoo... Susanoo is not as hot or destructive as Amaterasu and probably isn't hot enough to disrupt the chakra enforced magnetic bonds of the Iron Sand. If Sasori Trapped the Susanoo using Iron Sand World Method Itachi would be unable to move because... if he let down Susanoo and Yata Mirror to move between the Iron Sand and get to Sasori, the 3rd Kazekage puppet would strike him down... if he moved with the Susanoo since it is a spectral being and maybe can move its form through or around objects, he would have to let the Iron sand inside the Susanoo past the Yata Mirror with nothing to stop Sasori to change its form and attack him.

Itachi's only option is to stand, use the Yata mirror as a 360 degree barrier and try and hit Sasori with Amaterasu or disrupting the Iron Sand with it, the Totsuka blade has become basically useless since it cannot get through the Iron Sand, unless Itachi melted the Iron sand in between him and Sasori, but using Amaterasu to disrupt the magnetic bonds between that much iron sand plus using full pwer Susanoo and fending off any of Sasori's attacks with the 3rd Kazekage would take up too much chakra at this point and he would most likely run out... All Sasori has to do is wait for Itachi to run out of Chakra holding up Susanoo and firing Amaterasu if he chooses to do so and then when he runs out, strike him down.
That first part of your thread was great depiction of the fight, almost like a realistic fan fiction. Its interesting you bring up Zetsu, i've always wanted to do a thread on him but never found anyone interesting (also strong to cause some controversy) to pit him against.

I might just make a thread establishing Misconceptions about his character.
 

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The outcome depends on knowledge.

If its no knowledge then Itachi wins.
If its manga knowledge or full knowledge then Sasori has an excellent chance.

I'll explain.

In a no-knowledge battle, Itachi would be the first to gain knowledge since his Sharingan will see through Hiruko to Sasori's body and will see that chakra only exists in his core then make that his target. Sasori would be oblivious of Amaterasu. Hiruko's weapons will be countered by the Sharingan's clarity of vision, Itachi's ability to deflect them with shuriken and blasting them away with fire techniques. He can get close and destroy the puppet with a fire tech.

Amaterasu can then take care of the Thired Kazekage and Sasori before they know what hit them.

In a manga knowledge battle, Sasori has a slight edge. Knowledge of Amaterasu seems to be common amongst the Akatsukisince Deidara commented that Kakashi's Kamui was a dojutsu on Itachi's level meaning he knew about the Mangekyo. Also, Zetsu wanted to 'see Amaterasu' which was why he wanted to see Itachi Vs Sasuke. Nagato knew about the flames and warned Bee and Naruto of it, Orochimaru must have told Sasuke which was why Sasuke prepared Orochimaru's substitution tech for it.
Amaterasu seems to be well known so Sasori could immediately coat himself and the Third with Iron Sand when Hiruko is destroyed. This means Itachi will have to use Susanoo. Sheilding Totsuka and Yasaka Mangatam with large volumes of Iron Sand will allow Sasori outlast. Itachi thoughsince Totsuka is said to be a Kusanagi variant, it should have Kusanagi's lengthening and cutting power. Kusanagi is said to be able to cut through nearly anything so it could pierce through Iron Sand and hit Sasori's chest with Sharingan aiming though Sasori could simply dodge. Sasori has an excellent chance.
 

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That first part of your thread was great depiction of the fight, almost like a realistic fan fiction. Its interesting you bring up Zetsu, i've always wanted to do a thread on him but never found anyone interesting (also strong to cause some controversy) to pit him against.

I might just make a thread establishing Misconceptions about his character.
That'd be something... Characters with strange physical composition are really interesting because the physics of them don't work in reality so it's up to the writer to make up the physics and debates about them are really tricky because you can only go on what the writer tells us, and Naruto has some of the most unique strange characters.
 

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I would love to hear your counters, after all this is a debate thread xd

Lack of pain sensation is both an advantage and disadvantage
Can’t comprehend if he’s being struck by attack(s) or their severity if he isn’t visually aware of it
Itachi could use this strategically to his advantage
Itachi’s hand seal speed would help greatly here – Sasori wouldn’t even recognize an incoming attack


Susanoo to rearrange terrain making remnant iron sand worthless
e.x. Sasuke using his early stage Susanoo to topple ceiling of kage summit
If they’re in an enclosed area, Itachi could use that to target the puppets.
Itachi could similarly destroy areas of ground where iron sand remains or use Susanoo’s destructive capabilities to strategically target the levitating puppets – throw parts of surroundings like rocks or other structures to destroy them (this could also save his chakra, he doesn’t need to materialize Susanoo’s complete form)


Targeted attacks at specific points
o Targeting Sasori’s arms, to rid his puppet manipulation ability ( )
o Targetting his eyes – this would practically defeat him
(if we assume that’s how he perceive’s the world)
o His heart – where his ‘cognisance lies’
o Targetting his legs, makes him immobile


Whilst in puppet armour, initial state
This is Sasori’s least deadly/offensive state
Itachi can still use his weapons and ninja tools –
He doesn’t need MS techniques to best Sasori here, hence his chakra capacity would remain fairly high
Combination of taijutsu, shuriken, and low level ninjutsu (if required) here


Sasori’s real body state
This is Sasoris’ weakest form, he’s most susceptible to attack hence why he wears his Hiruko armour
This is to Itachi’s advantage –he doesn’t need an extensive/intensive attack to kill Sasori


Rationing of MS techniques
Only using early stage of Susanoo throughout, to save chakra

Using Amaterasu only to take out iron sand puppet which refutes remnant iron sand, reallows shuriken use etc.

Or only using it to attack Sasori’s heart

Stepping out of Susanoo
Itachi is capable of leaving his Susanoo
This would make trapping Susanoo futile
He could then attack omnidirectionally


Expanded Totsuka sword attacks
He could slice/pierce several puppets simultaneously
It also creates a pseudo wind affinity – he could blow away certain attacks or puppets with its gust


Yasaka Magatama
One of several, powerful long rage attacks he could use to target Sasori’s ‘real form’


Shadow clone
He could use this strategically to outwit Sasori by attacking from behind, to trap him (exploding water jutsu), various other tactics

Latent copied jutsu:
Kakashi, Sasuke both use lightning style (strong against iron sand)
Sharingan copies justu once seen, immediately.
Itachi, theoretically, should be capable of using these jutsu

Sharingan precognition
Makes it easy to dodge attacks
Itachi’s agility is likely > Chiyo (who outmaneuvered nearly all of Sasori's attacks) and Sakura’s
Coupled with his shunshin, which is likely similar to Sasuke’s, Itachi could speeblitz Sasori through and through

Chakra vision – Itachi can visually see chakra as colour – easier to dodge attacks from beneath (iron sand), and from attacking puppets amongst other things



Itachi could use these offensively or defensively
Defensively in several ways including hovering above to dodge certain attacks or in place of Susanoo

Sharingan to control puppets

Chakra thread technique isn’t kekkei genkai, hence Itachi could potentially copy it, and use Sasori’s own puppets against him.


This is kinda messy, I wrote it quickly, and it’s not that well organized, but this is just some of the stuff I came up with (Itachi is smarter than I). It may be wrong in certain areas, I don’t know. And I don't know if I countered every single thing you listed
 

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Nice thread as always :)

This is not a type of fight where we could clearly see a winner though. It depends on many circumstances like the place they fight, the knowledge they had on each other and other stuffs

Sasori is a puppet user and i think that Sasori knowing how strong Itachi is, would use his full arsenal from the start, because it's not with Hiruko that he could dispose him. Itachi has Sharingan to predict attacks and he is fast himself, plus Karasu Bunshin feints. Problem is that he probably don't have the power to destroy Hiruko besides his MS techniques. I doubt a fire ball jutsu would be enough, but who knows? Anyway with some tricks like explosiv tags, he can manage to destroy it

Like i've said, i see Sasori using his full power. He would probably start with the Sandaime Kazekage. His jutsu is really interesting and powerful. It also covers a great range and even Itachi with his speed could not handle it. When we add the fact that with only one wound, it means your end, Itachi would have serious difficulties. Problem is that Sharingan can see chakra flow, and when Sasori uses this puppet, he obviously has to go out of Hiruko, so Itachi could see his vital point easily, and knowing how smart Itachi is, he would probably try to aim for it

With the destructiv power Susanoo has, i think he can easily deal with all Sasori throws at him. The Sandaime Kazekage's jutsu could cause some problems though, but not against the yata mirror that deflect pretty much every incoming attacks. But with Itachi's state(sick when he was alive) and Itachi's low stamina, he couldn't probably handle Susanoo for too long. That's why he would have to end the fight as quickly as possible

By aiming at Sasori like i've said, it's Sasori who would be in difficulties, because the weakness of a puppet master is close combat. If Sasori switch to take another body from another puppet, i doubt he can still manage to control the puppets since it's only his main puppet that have the chakra flow conduction to control them, or maybe i'm missing something?

If it's really how it is, then switching from bodies to bodies won't have a great influence in this battle. In the contrary, it favors Itachi and sooner or later, he would be killed

So no, i doubt Sasori could beat Itachi, eventhough it's true that he could be a great threat for him
 
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That'd be something... Characters with strange physical composition are really interesting because the physics of them don't work in reality so it's up to the writer to make up the physics and debates about them are really tricky because you can only go on what the writer tells us, and Naruto has some of the most unique strange characters.
That's exactly why Kakuzu became on of my favourites, Zetsu has always been close behind and Sasori a very interesting person to debate.

Zetsu surpasses both of these two in "weird physical composition" which is why i hoped he would reach a good enough level of power for his inclusion into one of my threads.

His Body stealing tech is highly misunderstood and very intriguing. You could help me out in this Zetsu thread, since it interests you as well as much as it does me.

Now for my counters to CaptainEO

Hiruko is actually a highly durable armour, simply because it was destroyed by Sakura's full powered punch doesn't mean it could be taken down with Shuriken and Taijutsu. I feel some sort of direct hit with a Fire Ball, an Exploding clone or even Amaretsu would be needed to render it useless.

Leaving Susann'o would leave him extremely suspectible, his best option when face against deadly offensives such as Iron sand is to remain within it.

Like you said Rationing his MS Techs is what he needs to do, a 2nd reactivation of Susann'o or excessive Amaretsu spam is not an option, he would surely lose if this were the case. If Itachi does leave his Susann'o then he will be dealt with using Sasori's 100 Puppets, the only reason Itachi can counter that technique is through his spectral armour, but without it, it becomes a futile endeavor to combat them.

Its interesting you mention that he would possess a copied version of Raiton (Lightning Release) but would he necessarily know that it demagnetizes Iron Sand ? I highly doubt it.

Another interesting point you mention is controlling the puppets through his Sharingan (learning the chakra threads tech), yet you fail to realize that Sasori will possess the same technique. It will come down to whoever has mastery over the technique, which in this case is Sasori.

Along with the Crow Summons, i think a swifting poisoning would end them especially consideing Iron Sand bullets (acts similar to a gun) or even Iron Sand World Order.

@Bogard

The Switching puppet thing is indeed a misconception. His core contains all his chakra so switching bodies would have no effect in him being able to control his puppets. He would simply expel the chakra threads and resume control of his puppets.
 
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